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discuss.

i am intentionally not putting my opinion or the different sides of the argument as i see them out there yet.

 

2nd Nov 2009 - 8:23pm
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Yes - then at least if they are falsely accused they can move on with their lives. If they are found guilty however.........











.....chop their knackers off!

 

2nd Nov 2009 - 8:33pm
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what about the argument that as rape is an under reported crime, by naming suspected rapists you could draw past victims out and in to making a complaint?

 

2nd Nov 2009 - 8:38pm
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Anonymity for both or neither (accussed and victim that is).

 

2nd Nov 2009 - 9:11pm
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brucie wrote:

what about the argument that as rape is an under reported crime, by naming suspected rapists you could draw past victims out and in to making a complaint?


Making the system more complainent friendly would be far more effective in drawing out past victims,

I personaly would like to see a world where victims of rape did not see the need to be anonymous,where the shame was placed where it belonged,on the rapist

However as this seems a far off dream ,yes anonymity for both,given that many rapes are not "stranger rapes " it may even increase reporting levels

 

2nd Nov 2009 - 9:50pm
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A tricky topic.

There have been many men " accused " of rape, but found not guilty. A woman was jailed recently for accusing someone of rape, only to be found out to be a liar.

I believe ALL parties should remain anonymous until a guilty verdict is reached. By all means THEN name the guy.

John Leslie is a typical example of what can happen to someone accused of rape. He was never found guilty of anything, yet he has never worked in tv since. How unjust is that?

If anonymity is to be afforded to the woman, the same should apply to the man. If that anonymity is not afforded to both parties, that would only lead even more women to not report it.

I have never understood how a man can be named but the woman gets the right to remain anonymous. Surely the fairest way would be that no names were released?

There have been many cases of men being falsely accused, yet their lives have been ruined because they were named.

 

2nd Nov 2009 - 10:05pm
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Emotive topic but an interesting one.

Yes I think men accused of rape should be given anonymity until proven guilty - innocent until proved otherwise etc and mud sticks regardless of their guilt or innocence.

I personally know a man who at the age of 18 was accused and found guilty of rape. His name was released at his arrest which had a snowball effect on his family who were forced to move from their home and his younger brother had to leave college. He has always contested his innocence and knowing the man personally, I believe him. There are a lot of things I won't disclose about the trial itself as an appeal is pending.

I'm in no way condoning or trying to protect those who ARE guilty of rape or any sexual offense but since seeing the effect on a man wrongfully convicted, and his family, I really can't decide what is right for everyone and that includes the victim

 

2nd Nov 2009 - 10:25pm
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Oooh what a tough one.

I ask myself what purpose is served by publicising the details of people yet to be convicted of a crime.

Yep there is the possible advantage of other crimes coming to light but I suppose that has to be weighed against the rights of the innocent.

That said the transparency of the justice system is one of the good things about it. How about a media reporting ban which would also apply to the internet as it does for all cases sub judici? (Ok whos gonna correct my speling.)

I deliberately didnt think about rape but crime in general because it sometimes helps if I strip out some of the emotional side of a matter to be considered.

 

2nd Nov 2009 - 10:43pm
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I've moved the thread into this forum as I believe there are some people that purposely look in here for discussions thumbup.gif

 

2nd Nov 2009 - 10:44pm
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I Think you should stay anonymous until proven guilty.

Sure we have all heard the term shit sticks, same counts for someone accused of rape.

If proven guilty throw the book at him.

 

2nd Nov 2009 - 10:47pm
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YES....easy, ask me another

 

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Yes. Of course they should.

As Sassy so rightly said, mud sticks, and a wrongful allegation- and there are sick, warped people out there who make them- can so easily wreck an innocent life.

 

3rd Nov 2009 - 4:43am
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Far too many false accusations being made for them to name anyone accused of rape. Not only does the "no smoke without fire" brigade tend to ruin people's lifes, there are also repercussions that could effect genuine cases. Those who falsley cry rape aremaking it harder for those who really have been subjected to this horrible crime, but if those accused were named it would be a thousand times worse.

Not everything in life is that straightforward, think outside the box.

 

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This is a good enough reason as to why men should.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1224702/Student-cleared-raping-solicitor-forced-change-deed-poll.html

Imagine the horror this guy has been through, and then the answer becomes quite obvious as to what the law should be changed too.

 

3rd Nov 2009 - 11:08pm
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Both parties should be named.

 

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Please post your reasoning JTS, I am sure you have considered the matter and would love to take your views on board.

 

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Ben_welshminx wrote:

Yep there is the possible advantage of other crimes coming to light but I suppose that has to be weighed against the rights of the innocent.


Ben, I guess there are any number of cases where the publicity has led to others coming forward that makes conviction more of a certainty, given the difficulty of securing convictions in a one-on-one he said, she said kind of case.

However, the naming of men accused is I think a hangover from the days when less than 30% of cases coming to court actually ended in conviction, and the percentage of accusations that actually came to trial was lower still, and naming them was I think a crude way of redressing that situation, what with the no smoke without fire thing. If we can't get you in court, we'll get you in the court of public opinion anyways, and that's how we'll protect other women from you seems to be the idea behind it. These days, conviction rates in cases that come to trial run at something like 50-60%, so I'm not sure it's quite so justifiable. It seems entirely wrong that only one side should enjoy the protection of anonymity.

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4th Nov 2009 - 9:46am
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I know this is an old artical but quite relevant...

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/deborah-orr/anonymity-for-suspects-could-help-to-nail-rapists-588594.html

Makes for interesting reading.

 

4th Nov 2009 - 8:22pm
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There will never be anonymity for suspects. The police rely on that publicity to prompt persons who may have been raped in the past to come forward. In any case, it is a useless gesture, as is the anonymity for persons raped. Everyone knows anyway....it is just the people not local to the event, or concerned in the event, that do not know.
The person whose arrest prompted this thread will never know normality again. Any search of his new name will throw the events out (the inevitability of the new name and the old name being linked) and any crb check also.
There is no verdict of innocent in this country: Just "got away with it".
Truly a sad indictment of justice.
I cannot remember whether the [malicious] accuser had the right of anonymity removed by the court....hopefully she did....

 

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JTS wrote:

There will never be anonymity for suspects. The police rely on that publicity to prompt persons who may have been raped in the past to come forward. In any case, it is a useless gesture, as is the anonymity for persons raped. Everyone knows anyway....it is just the people not local to the event, or concerned in the event, that do not know.
The person whose arrest prompted this thread will never know normality again. Any search of his new name will throw the events out (the inevitability of the new name and the old name being linked) and any crb check also.
There is no verdict of innocent in this country: Just "got away with it".
Truly a sad indictment of justice.
I cannot remember whether the [malicious] accuser had the right of anonymity removed by the court....hopefully she did....


And how does all the above mean that the right to anonymity should be withheld? All you are saying that it doesn't work completely. But there is a vast vast enourmous difference between coming up on a search if someone bothers to search and having your name splashed across national newspapers on a daily basis until the enod of a trial.
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