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Is swinging just a pastime to cash in on now?
23rd Mar 2009 - 6:00pm
I've noticed that some people seem to be cashing in on the swinging scene... We belong to a few swingers sites and have noticed some people organising private parties,generally in their own homes and they appear to be charging an entrance fee,to cover costs...so they say.Now if we were to hold our own party in our own home,we would never think of charging,well you wouldn't if it was a vanilla party so why should a swinging party be any different...this seems to be a worrying new trend of profiting off a particular lifestyle.
i have never seen anyone charging for a private house party and i wouldnt go to one if i was expected to pay the only times i have seen or heard of people charging is for a munch and even then its only for out of pocket expences i.e room hire dj buffet munch badges and printing costs etc. but normaly these are kept to as minimum a cost as possible. i dont think the aup allows for people to charge for other events but i could be wrong so my suggestion is to report someone for wanting to charge for a private function in their own home
Sara_2006 wrote:
i have never seen anyone charging for a private house party and i wouldnt go to one if i was expected to pay the only times i have seen or heard of people charging is for a munch and even then its only for out of pocket expences i.e room hire dj buffet munch badges and printing costs etc. but normaly these are kept to as minimum a cost as possible. i dont think the aup allows for people to charge for other events but i could be wrong so my suggestion is to report someone for wanting to charge for a private function in their own home
i have never seen anyone charging for a private house party and i wouldnt go to one if i was expected to pay the only times i have seen or heard of people charging is for a munch and even then its only for out of pocket expences i.e room hire dj buffet munch badges and printing costs etc. but normaly these are kept to as minimum a cost as possible. i dont think the aup allows for people to charge for other events but i could be wrong so my suggestion is to report someone for wanting to charge for a private function in their own home
One person did invite us to a party from SH,didn't even know him...and he wanted to charge us,we told him to jog on...he then said he wouldn't charge us,so long as we didn't tell anyone else...again we told him to jog on!
but ths does seem to be happening on other sites alot...i may look into their AUP's just to see if they can do this.
I am on a few other sites, and have found recently that some of them are suddenly starting to charge... 
most people I know on this particular site have left it now...
I can understand munches where a hall is being used, that is fair enough.. but house parties? Not good.
most people I know on this particular site have left it now...
I can understand munches where a hall is being used, that is fair enough.. but house parties? Not good.
We got asked to a party in the Oxford area and told that we as a couple could go free as long as the fem was a 'player' and all drinks provided free and that single guys were going to be charged £75!!! a throw! that was a very short conversation let me tell you.
Thats one of only three times that cash has been mentioned though in the three years we'vw been swinging, other than nominal charges for socials etc.
Thats one of only three times that cash has been mentioned though in the three years we'vw been swinging, other than nominal charges for socials etc.
I think the whole site is becomming more and more "commercialised" which is sad... but I am not sure whether people have gone out to find loopholes in the rules..
for example, the whole "socials in clubs" pheonoma that has sprung up..... could be considered to be fairly blantant promotions for clubs to get around paying the site....
I now know of at least 4 clubs who are now advertising nights that people from sh have organised on there own sites as party nights.... hey, again gets round the adveritising rules I suppose.....
I am not saying for people not to organise stuff... but at least be honest about it when advertising it and not shielding it in other language "people were saying that socials were socials" which is rubbish when you consider the derby ones compared to the chams ones (I only used those two as one is purly social...the other takes place in a club)
thats why i did ask for the socials in clubs to be called "club meets" rather than "socials".... at least it means people are far more aware of what they are signing up for.... and the intent of it being a commercial event
for example, the whole "socials in clubs" pheonoma that has sprung up..... could be considered to be fairly blantant promotions for clubs to get around paying the site....
I now know of at least 4 clubs who are now advertising nights that people from sh have organised on there own sites as party nights.... hey, again gets round the adveritising rules I suppose.....
I am not saying for people not to organise stuff... but at least be honest about it when advertising it and not shielding it in other language "people were saying that socials were socials" which is rubbish when you consider the derby ones compared to the chams ones (I only used those two as one is purly social...the other takes place in a club)
thats why i did ask for the socials in clubs to be called "club meets" rather than "socials".... at least it means people are far more aware of what they are signing up for.... and the intent of it being a commercial event
People will make money from anything that other people are prepared to pay for.
If they want to charge for parties in their own houses, surely it`s up to the guests to decide if they want to go. If advertising these events is against the rules, then they should be reported.
I can understand the comments about "socials" being held in clubs but all socials and munches appear to be held in commercial venues, so somebody is making money out of it even if it`s not the organisers themselves.
If they want to charge for parties in their own houses, surely it`s up to the guests to decide if they want to go. If advertising these events is against the rules, then they should be reported.
I can understand the comments about "socials" being held in clubs but all socials and munches appear to be held in commercial venues, so somebody is making money out of it even if it`s not the organisers themselves.
flower411 wrote:
People will make money from anything that other people are prepared to pay for.
If they want to charge for parties in their own houses, surely it`s up to the guests to decide if they want to go. If advertising these events is against the rules, then they should be reported.
I can understand the comments about "socials" being held in clubs but all socials and munches appear to be held in commercial venues, so somebody is making money out of it even if it`s not the organisers themselves.
People will make money from anything that other people are prepared to pay for.
If they want to charge for parties in their own houses, surely it`s up to the guests to decide if they want to go. If advertising these events is against the rules, then they should be reported.
I can understand the comments about "socials" being held in clubs but all socials and munches appear to be held in commercial venues, so somebody is making money out of it even if it`s not the organisers themselves.
The original idea of socials and munches,was for people to meet in a neutral/vanilla enviroment usually a pub to get to know other swingers with no pressure to play,and yes someone was making money,the landlord...but its now being twisted as Fabio says...every other week,its someone's birthday and they happen to be holding a social at a swingers club for every tom,dick and harry,which seems like a veiled attempt to just get people into their venues.
Mr-Powers wrote:
and they happen to be holding a social at a swingers club for every tom,dick and harry,which seems like a veiled attempt to just get people into their venues.
and they happen to be holding a social at a swingers club for every tom,dick and harry,which seems like a veiled attempt to just get people into their venues.
Or could it be that the organisers just want to have an event where play occurs, or is that considered wrong in the swinging scene?
essex34m wrote:
Or could it be that the organisers just want to have an event where play occurs, or is that considered wrong in the swinging scene?
Mr-Powers wrote:
and they happen to be holding a social at a swingers club for every tom,dick and harry,which seems like a veiled attempt to just get people into their venues.
and they happen to be holding a social at a swingers club for every tom,dick and harry,which seems like a veiled attempt to just get people into their venues.
Or could it be that the organisers just want to have an event where play occurs, or is that considered wrong in the swinging scene?
I'm sure that's not considered wrong by anyone. In my personal opinion, the annoyance/frustration/confusion comes in when the definition of "social" is taken so far out of context as to mean something completely different.
To me, a social should be just that, social. A meet where play could happen is far more than "just social". Or am I being too pedantic?
essex34m wrote:
Or could it be that the organisers just want to have an event where play occurs, or is that considered wrong in the swinging scene?
Mr-Powers wrote:
and they happen to be holding a social at a swingers club for every tom,dick and harry,which seems like a veiled attempt to just get people into their venues.
and they happen to be holding a social at a swingers club for every tom,dick and harry,which seems like a veiled attempt to just get people into their venues.
Or could it be that the organisers just want to have an event where play occurs, or is that considered wrong in the swinging scene?
Not when the word "social" is being used!
Mr-Powers wrote:
Not when the word "social" is being used!
Not when the word "social" is being used!
Everything I wanted to say in one small sentence
Angel Chat wrote:
I'm sure that's not considered wrong by anyone. In my personal opinion, the annoyance/frustration/confusion comes in when the definition of "social" is taken so far out of context as to mean something completely different.
To me, a social should be just that, social. A meet where play could happen is far more than "just social". Or am I being too pedantic?
essex34m wrote:
Or could it be that the organisers just want to have an event where play occurs, or is that considered wrong in the swinging scene?
Mr-Powers wrote:
and they happen to be holding a social at a swingers club for every tom,dick and harry,which seems like a veiled attempt to just get people into their venues.
and they happen to be holding a social at a swingers club for every tom,dick and harry,which seems like a veiled attempt to just get people into their venues.
Or could it be that the organisers just want to have an event where play occurs, or is that considered wrong in the swinging scene?
I'm sure that's not considered wrong by anyone. In my personal opinion, the annoyance/frustration/confusion comes in when the definition of "social" is taken so far out of context as to mean something completely different.
To me, a social should be just that, social. A meet where play could happen is far more than "just social". Or am I being too pedantic?
I think this is what more of what I am getting at .... It just feels the term "social" has been hijacked for any meaning.... maybe it is more about a case of reclaiming the word back to what it was..... but it does feel like some people do play up the term "social" and play down the club elements as they people believe less people who be inclined to go to these...
I think it also helps people know more likely as to what they are signing up to......
I'm so confused by the whole social/munch thing and then as Fabio says, we have the meets in clubs thrown into the mix too...
I still don't know the difference between a Social and a Munch other than at one Non SH members may attend, I think. Don't quote me on that.
As for charging for house meets. I am sorry but to me, if you are inviting people into your house for naughty purposes and charging them, then you are into the realm of prostitution. Sex for money is sex for money, however you want to dress it up and regardless of the gender and number of people playing.
The one reconciling factor of swinging was that it was free for all (within reason). Once you start charging, I am uncomfortable with it. I do not mind one bit paying for the hire of a room or a DJ for a Munch or Social, to me that is eminently fair. But to expect people to cough up simply because the promise of sex is on offer to those who do is a dangerous path I feel.
And do they declare it to the taxman? We should be informed...
I still don't know the difference between a Social and a Munch other than at one Non SH members may attend, I think. Don't quote me on that.
As for charging for house meets. I am sorry but to me, if you are inviting people into your house for naughty purposes and charging them, then you are into the realm of prostitution. Sex for money is sex for money, however you want to dress it up and regardless of the gender and number of people playing.
The one reconciling factor of swinging was that it was free for all (within reason). Once you start charging, I am uncomfortable with it. I do not mind one bit paying for the hire of a room or a DJ for a Munch or Social, to me that is eminently fair. But to expect people to cough up simply because the promise of sex is on offer to those who do is a dangerous path I feel.
And do they declare it to the taxman? We should be informed...
Mr-Powers wrote:
The original idea of socials and munches,was for people to meet in a neutral/vanilla enviroment usually a pub to get to know other swingers with no pressure to play,and yes someone was making money,the landlord...but its now being twisted as Fabio says...every other week,its someone's birthday and they happen to be holding a social at a swingers club for every tom,dick and harry,which seems like a veiled attempt to just get people into their venues.
flower411 wrote:
People will make money from anything that other people are prepared to pay for.
If they want to charge for parties in their own houses, surely it`s up to the guests to decide if they want to go. If advertising these events is against the rules, then they should be reported.
I can understand the comments about "socials" being held in clubs but all socials and munches appear to be held in commercial venues, so somebody is making money out of it even if it`s not the organisers themselves.
People will make money from anything that other people are prepared to pay for.
If they want to charge for parties in their own houses, surely it`s up to the guests to decide if they want to go. If advertising these events is against the rules, then they should be reported.
I can understand the comments about "socials" being held in clubs but all socials and munches appear to be held in commercial venues, so somebody is making money out of it even if it`s not the organisers themselves.
The original idea of socials and munches,was for people to meet in a neutral/vanilla enviroment usually a pub to get to know other swingers with no pressure to play,and yes someone was making money,the landlord...but its now being twisted as Fabio says...every other week,its someone's birthday and they happen to be holding a social at a swingers club for every tom,dick and harry,which seems like a veiled attempt to just get people into their venues.
Hmmm .. is it veiled ? Or are people just blinkered ?
We attended a social at a venue that is obviously used for people to play. We went because we wanted to meet some people we had chatted to on here and to catch up with some that we had met before. Quite a few of the people that were attending the "social" were regulars at the venue.
We went specifically to "socialise" and not to play.
We found that the organisers were in control of the whole situation and we were very comfortable "socialising" in an enviroment where others were going off to play ... it was fun and we will definately go again.
I think it depends so much on the organisers and the owners of the venue. It is possible to socialise in any envirioment.
If socials are being organised specifically for commercial gain, I feel that most people will notice and any future events will die a death.....as they should ...
