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flower411Godlike

Joined:: 18 Dec 2005
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With the constant homogenization of political parties in this country making it impossible to differentiate between them, it`s great to see somebody standing up for a bit of English culture. It is truly inspiring to see a Conservative leader speaking out in favour of a cultural minority !!

The current law is confusing and mostly unenforcable and criminalises law abiding citizens. It merely provides an outlet for unemployed townie busybodies with nothing better to do than sit in bushes spying on people going about their business.

No .... I`m not talking about that nasty barbaric passtime where people torture fish, sometimes for hours on end and then throw the injured animal back into the water or leave it to die a nasty death on the river bank......that`s still legal

!!!!!

I`m talking about hunting with dogs ......

Please note that it`s not illegal to own cats and allow them to indiscriminately hunt,torture and kill small mammals with no control, but taking out a controlled hunt with a specific aim, is illegal !! How weird is that ??

So big up to David Cameron .....well said that man

GnVGodlike

Joined:: 13 Dec 2005
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He's just hoping it will be open season on Labour politicians in plus fours

KaznkevGodlike

Joined:: 17 Sep 2009
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flower411 wrote:

With the constant homogenization of political parties in this country making it impossible to differentiate between them, it`s great to see somebody standing up for a bit of English culture. It is truly inspiring to see a Conservative leader speaking out in favour of a cultural minority !!

The current law is confusing and mostly unenforcable and criminalises law abiding citizens. It merely provides an outlet for unemployed townie busybodies with nothing better to do than sit in bushes spying on people going about their business.

No .... I`m not talking about that nasty barbaric passtime where people torture fish, sometimes for hours on end and then throw the injured animal back into the water or leave it to die a nasty death on the river bank......that`s still legal

!!!!!

I`m talking about hunting with dogs ......

Please note that it`s not illegal to own cats and allow them to indiscriminately hunt,torture and kill small mammals with no control, but taking out a controlled hunt with a specific aim, is illegal !! How weird is that ??

So big up to David Cameron .....well said that man

"controlled hunt" an oxymoron, damaging townies riding across farmland and allowing an animal to be ripped to shred for fun,

flower i so dont want to get into this but your wrong , at least it wont affect my voting either way

tomuI need to get out more

Joined:: 31 May 2005
Posts:: 286
Location:: In the purple rain

I'm late for work so I'll be brief.

This is a matter of what you think is right and wrong. I think it's wrong to torture animals for my own amusement. I don't think it's wrong for a cat to kill animals, as a cat is a cat and that is what they do. You can't ascribe higher moral functions to an animal designed by nature to kill other animals, that's just silly.

As a human being, equipped with a conscience and everything, I do have the responsibility to decide right from wrong. I don't think it's right to derive pleasure from hurting people or things, not when I have so many other options available to me, like watching the TV or going to the pictures. What's wrong with just riding the horses? What's wrong with doing competitive shooting? Why do you have to kill something to be having fun? Why is it any different to fishing, in fact, if you're saying fishing is bad? If you're going to say fox-hunting is about controlling fox numbers, why the red coats and the horns and the massive crowd of people, why not just let the dogs have them? Or traps or whatever.

Not a very rigorous argument but as I said I'm late for work. Didn't have time to do the reading so I daresay you'll say I'm ignorant. (incidentally though, tell me more about how it criminalises law-abiding citizens? Surely if they abided by the law and refrained from participating in bloodsports, they wouldn't be criminals?) I think it basically comes down to whether you like it or whether you don't, at the end of the day.

I also don't think it's an especially significant issue. I mean seriously, if you think this is worth deciding your vote on... read the news more.

jumptoitI need to get out more

Joined:: 13 Feb 2004
Posts:: 244
Location:: west yorks/lancs

flower411 wrote:

With the constant homogenization of political parties in this country making it impossible to differentiate between them, it`s great to see somebody standing up for a bit of English culture. It is truly inspiring to see a Conservative leader speaking out in favour of a cultural minority !!

The current law is confusing and mostly unenforcable and criminalises law abiding citizens. It merely provides an outlet for unemployed townie busybodies with nothing better to do than sit in bushes spying on people going about their business.

No .... I`m not talking about that nasty barbaric passtime where people torture fish, sometimes for hours on end and then throw the injured animal back into the water or leave it to die a nasty death on the river bank......that`s still legal

!!!!!

I`m talking about hunting with dogs ......

Please note that it`s not illegal to own cats and allow them to indiscriminately hunt,torture and kill small mammals with no control, but taking out a controlled hunt with a specific aim, is illegal !! How weird is that ??

So big up to David Cameron .....well said that man

A sweeping statement about fishing, i like fishing and do so for fun and for food, which has been done for 1000`s of years, it would be like me saying that all people who are pro hunters are moronic toffs with nothing better to do than shout "Tally ho" and charge around the fields with a pack of rabid dogs trying to catch a defenseless fox to shred to pieces all in the name of enjoyment, oh and before you say anything i was brought up on a farm in the Yorkshire Dales and still live there and not some city dweller.

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GnVGodlike

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jumptoit wrote:

A sweeping statement about fishing, i like fishing and do so for fun and for food, which has been done for 1000`s of years, it would be like me saying that all people who are pro hunters are moronic toffs with nothing better to do than shout "Tally ho" and charge around the fields with a pack of rabid dogs trying to catch a defenseless fox to shred to pieces all in the name of enjoyment, oh and before you say anything i was brought up on a farm in the Yorkshire Dales and still live there and not some city dweller who has never even seen a sheep or smelled the shit!

You get that close then...

jumptoitI need to get out more

Joined:: 13 Feb 2004
Posts:: 244
Location:: west yorks/lancs

GnV wrote:

jumptoit wrote:

A sweeping statement about fishing, i like fishing and do so for fun and for food, which has been done for 1000`s of years, it would be like me saying that all people who are pro hunters are moronic toffs with nothing better to do than shout "Tally ho" and charge around the fields with a pack of rabid dogs trying to catch a defenseless fox to shred to pieces all in the name of enjoyment, oh and before you say anything i was brought up on a farm in the Yorkshire Dales and still live there and not some city dweller who has never even seen a sheep or smelled the shit!

You get that close then...

Do you know i was actually thinking of you as i put it...............

flower411Godlike

Joined:: 18 Dec 2005
Posts:: 6810
Location:: here and there

tomu wrote:

I'm late for work so I'll be brief.

This is a matter of what you think is right and wrong. I think it's wrong to torture animals for my own amusement. I don't think it's wrong for a cat to kill animals, as a cat is a cat and that is what they do. You can't ascribe higher moral functions to an animal designed by nature to kill other animals, that's just silly.

As a human being, equipped with a conscience and everything, I do have the responsibility to decide right from wrong. I don't think it's right to derive pleasure from hurting people or things, not when I have so many other options available to me, like watching the TV or going to the pictures. What's wrong with just riding the horses? What's wrong with doing competitive shooting? Why do you have to kill something to be having fun? Why is it any different to fishing, in fact, if you're saying fishing is bad? If you're going to say fox-hunting is about controlling fox numbers, why the red coats and the horns and the massive crowd of people, why not just let the dogs have them? Or traps or whatever.

Not a very rigorous argument but as I said I'm late for work. Didn't have time to do the reading so I daresay you'll say I'm ignorant. (incidentally though, tell me more about how it criminalises law-abiding citizens? Surely if they abided by the law and refrained from participating in bloodsports, they wouldn't be criminals?) I think it basically comes down to whether you like it or whether you don't, at the end of the day.

I also don't think it's an especially significant issue. I mean seriously, if you think this is worth deciding your vote on... read the news more.

Hang on !!

Are you seriously saying that keeping a wild animal that roams around the neighbourhood torturing and killing other mammals while you are elsewhere is "morally" correct and that you have no responsibility because you can`t control it ???

Too HotSuper human rambling

Joined:: 7 Oct 2005
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Location:: North West

flower411 wrote:

Hang on !!

Are you seriously saying that keeping a wild animal that roams around the neighbourhood torturing and killing other mammals while you are elsewhere is "morally" correct and that you have no responsibility because you can`t control it ???

And shitting without conscience in everyone's garden but their own ! CATS !! Yeeaargghhhh.......... Slimy, devious, four legged little cretins.

jumptoitI need to get out more

Joined:: 13 Feb 2004
Posts:: 244
Location:: west yorks/lancs

Too Hot wrote:

flower411 wrote:

Hang on !!

Are you seriously saying that keeping a wild animal that roams around the neighbourhood torturing and killing other mammals while you are elsewhere is "morally" correct and that you have no responsibility because you can`t control it ???

And shitting without conscience in everyone's garden but their own ! CATS !! Yeeaargghhhh.......... Slimy, devious, four legged little cretins.

Can cats have a conscience?

flower411Godlike

Joined:: 18 Dec 2005
Posts:: 6810
Location:: here and there

jumptoit wrote:

Too Hot wrote:

flower411 wrote:

Hang on !!

Are you seriously saying that keeping a wild animal that roams around the neighbourhood torturing and killing other mammals while you are elsewhere is "morally" correct and that you have no responsibility because you can`t control it ???

And shitting without conscience in everyone's garden but their own ! CATS !! Yeeaargghhhh.......... Slimy, devious, four legged little cretins.

Can cats have a conscience?

Wasn`t that the point ?

kentswingers777Godlike

Joined:: 14 Dec 2005
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For me I do not like the idea of a pack of dogs being bred to rip a fox to pieces, and then the fecking toff brigade classing it as fun...that's bollox.

I am not a lover of foxes, and believe me we have a few around here, and they shit in me garden too but....fox hunting is a blood sport, pure and simple.

I cannot see how a cat can be even discussed in the same manner. Cats are not bred to kill small mammals, which btw I presume rats and mice, which are vermin.

As for fish

I used to fish and in my experience the only time I have seen any cruelty towards them, is by youngsters, not the adults that take it very seriously. Plus the regulations now involved when you go fishing, far outweighs what they used to be.

Fox hunting is a blood sport and as far as I am aware IS illegal, where the others are not.....simples.

flower411Godlike

Joined:: 18 Dec 2005
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Location:: here and there

kentswingers777 wrote:

For me I do not like the idea of a pack of dogs being bred to rip a fox to pieces, and then the fecking toff brigade classing it as fun...that's bollox.

I am not a lover of foxes, and believe me we have a few around here, and they shit in me garden too but....fox hunting is a blood sport, pure and simple.

I cannot see how a cat can be even discussed in the same manner. Cats are not bred to kill small mammals, which btw I presume rats and mice, which are vermin.

As for fish

I used to fish and in my experience the only time I have seen any cruelty towards them, is by youngsters, not the adults that take it very seriously. Plus the regulations now involved when you go fishing, far outweighs what they used to be.

Fox hunting is a blood sport and as far as I am aware IS illegal, where the others are not.....simples.

As I am unable to answer this for fear of being banned, could a mod kindly remove the comment from the thread ?

Thanks.

SteveGodlike

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Too Hot wrote:

And shitting without conscience in everyone's garden but their own ! CATS !! Yeeaargghhhh.......... Slimy, devious, four legged little cretins.

Seconded

KaznkevGodlike

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flower411 wrote:

kentswingers777 wrote:

For me I do not like the idea of a pack of dogs being bred to rip a fox to pieces, and then the fecking toff brigade classing it as fun...that's bollox.

I am not a lover of foxes, and believe me we have a few around here, and they shit in me garden too but....fox hunting is a blood sport, pure and simple.

I cannot see how a cat can be even discussed in the same manner. Cats are not bred to kill small mammals, which btw I presume rats and mice, which are vermin.

As for fish

I used to fish and in my experience the only time I have seen any cruelty towards them, is by youngsters, not the adults that take it very seriously. Plus the regulations now involved when you go fishing, far outweighs what they used to be.

Fox hunting is a blood sport and as far as I am aware IS illegal, where the others are not.....simples.

As I am unable to answer this for fear of being banned, could a mod kindly remove the comment from the thread ?

Thanks.

Flower the first sensible thing kentys written and you want it removed!

Why ?

kentswingers777Godlike

Joined:: 14 Dec 2005
Posts:: 8462
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Kaznkev wrote:

flower411 wrote:

kentswingers777 wrote:

For me I do not like the idea of a pack of dogs being bred to rip a fox to pieces, and then the fecking toff brigade classing it as fun...that's bollox.

I am not a lover of foxes, and believe me we have a few around here, and they shit in me garden too but....fox hunting is a blood sport, pure and simple.

I cannot see how a cat can be even discussed in the same manner. Cats are not bred to kill small mammals, which btw I presume rats and mice, which are vermin.

As for fish

I used to fish and in my experience the only time I have seen any cruelty towards them, is by youngsters, not the adults that take it very seriously. Plus the regulations now involved when you go fishing, far outweighs what they used to be.

Fox hunting is a blood sport and as far as I am aware IS illegal, where the others are not.....simples.

As I am unable to answer this for fear of being banned, could a mod kindly remove the comment from the thread ?

Thanks.

Flower the first sensible thing kentys written and you want it removed!

Why ?

A good question.

I think he has about as much chance of getting a perfectly good comment removed from any thread, as I have of winning the lottery.

Or is the insinuation that admin have warned him not to reply to anything I write?

Somehow I think not.

Am sure though that a good Mod will come along and advise us all?

Staggerlee_BBGodlike

Joined:: 14 Jun 2007
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I have no particular love for foxes...I despise most of the types who hunted them with hounds...so bollocks to them.

P.S. If fox hunting is about controlling the fox population ...why did many hunts breed them ? why are they not shot or poisoned ? why are hordes of tossers required to trample crops and generally destroy the land they're supposed to be protecting from the evil fox?

P.P.S. if Cameron says it's alright then it can't be....it's the rules

Bluefish2009Godlike

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Staggerlee_BB wrote:

I have no particular love for foxes...I despise most of the types who hunted them with hounds...so bollocks to them.
P.S. If fox hunting is about controlling the fox population ...why did many hunts breed them ? why are they not shot or poisoned ? why are hordes of tossers required to trample crops and generally destroy the land they're supposed to be protecting from the evil fox?

P.P.S. if Cameron says it's alright then it can't be....it's the rules

I have never encountered any TYPE! People from every walk of life, social background and status form the hunting community, from the poorest farm employee to the very well off land owner, and every one in between. There is no one type. It is a common misconception.

kentswingers777Godlike

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI9l5_K6rGo

Made me chuckle

Staggerlee_BBGodlike

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Bluefish2009 wrote:

Staggerlee_BB wrote:

I have no particular love for foxes...I despise most of the types who hunted them with hounds...so bollocks to them.
P.S. If fox hunting is about controlling the fox population ...why did many hunts breed them ? why are they not shot or poisoned ? why are hordes of tossers required to trample crops and generally destroy the land they're supposed to be protecting from the evil fox?

P.P.S. if Cameron says it's alright then it can't be....it's the rules

I have never encountered any TYPE! People from every walk of life, social background and status form the hunting community, from the poorest farm employee to the very well off land owner, and every one in between. There is no one type. It is a common misconception.

I'm sure people from all walks of life who can afford to keep a horse do indeed hunt.....but I strongly suspect (and no I haven't got any evidence) that the majority are from very similar backgrounds and that the actual members of the various hunts are even more likely to share that background i.e. a bunch of upper middle-class old school tie tossers and their wives camilla...oh and the "gentry"

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