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Peter Sutcliff

2nd Mar 2010 - 9:01am
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Well I suppose it had to happen eventually.

The Yorkshire Ripper is trying for freedom on the grounds he is " cured ". Also a massive legal aid bill to be picked up by the taxpayer.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1254596/Yorkshire-Ripper-Peter-Sutcliffe-launches-High-Court-bid-freedom.html

I am fully aware there will be another nutcase out there like Lord Longford, who will fight this murderers corner, and plenty of legal big wigs only too eager to take the massive ammount of money on offer, to try and get him released.

This man has to be one of the worst serial killers this country has ever known. He killed and mutilated I think 13 women, and put fear across Yorkshire for years.

Is this guy cured or just a very clever evil man?

For me he should never ever be released. He should never ever be allowed any time outsude of prison. Just like the Moors murderers, his crimes are just so horrific he should rot in prison for ever.

The mere thought that this guy could be given the opportunity for freedom, wil make a lot of people sick to their boots. I remember vividly the press coverage in this case, and I remember the trial.

The trouble is now in lefty " give everyone another chance Britain in 2010 " he WILL be given that opportunity unless the Home Secretary steps in and blocks it, but I know he and his legal team, will use the human rights laws.

So should this murderer be given the opprtunity of freedom, or should he remain in jail until he takes his final breath?

I think my feelings have been made crystal clear as to where I think he should remain.

It only was a matter of time for this murderer. How long before we hear of Sarah Paynes murderer or some of the other animals in jail looking towards their possible release date?

Some criminals who commit the most vilest of crimes, should never be freed on the grounds that some so called " expert " thinks they are cured. I do not care if this guy is cured, his crimes for me should make him never fit for release.If this was America he would long ago been given the needle and would never have this possible opportunity. At times like this I wish we had the death penalty for the worst crimes.

I am sure that there will be some, maybe on here who think he deserves another chance to be allowed back into society, and if so would love to hear those peoples views as to why.

 

2nd Mar 2010 - 9:25am
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Yep, he should be released. It'll save the taxpayer a fortune, because he won't be out and alive for very long; there must be a lot of people who'd like to have words with him, and much worse.

 

2nd Mar 2010 - 9:31am
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The trouble is FB as you are well aware, IF he was released he would get a new identity and a new life, possibly not even in this country.

He would be given around the clock protection and the courts would bend over backwards to make sure his whereabouts and his identity remains secret.

Plus would anyone actually recognise him anyway after all these years?

Plus millions would have to be found to make all this happen.....from us the taxpayers.

I wonder who the next Lord Longford is going to be?

 

2nd Mar 2010 - 10:08am
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Now lets just hang him and an others who will never be cured, show true repentance. Just do a good job of convincing those who want to be convinced.

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2nd Mar 2010 - 10:18am
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Like many my age and older i grew up with the ripper case.It hung over the north east like a black cloud and as an adult i have read a great deal about it.
In Wicked beyond belief(Micheal Bilton) a good overview of where the police went wrong,he gives a very decent account of Sutcliffes sucessful attempts to fool the court into believing he was suffering from a mental illness.

I do not know why you assume those of us on the left would want sutcliffe released,I see the main point of prison a being to protect the public,i can see no reason to believe he has ceased to be a threat,or ever will.I also think he should be moved out of broadmoor and into a normal prison.

i was going to start a thread after hearing the son of one of his victim talk very movingly on the today show this morning.As a christian i was struck by his comment that he felt he would be in a better place if he could forgive Sutcliffe.

 

2nd Mar 2010 - 10:31am
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Kent, he's never going to be released. It's just not going to happen. He is however entitled to know what his minimum sentence is, and that's what is being thrashed out in the courts at the moment. When he was sentenced, the judge said he should serve a minimum of 30 years, which he's very nearly done, but unusally the Home Office have never actually given him his tariff, which sets out the minimum length of sentence before he becomes eligible for consideration for parole. The current case is simply looking at what evidence should be taken into account so that the tariff can at last be set. Chances are, after lots of legal arguments and lurid headlines about this, that and the other, for 13 murders he'll be given a whole life tariff, which means he will die in prison.

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2nd Mar 2010 - 10:36am
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Gaunty on SkyNews paper review this morning suggested that Sutcliff should have swung icon_eek.gif

Gives all us SH'ers a bad name

 

2nd Mar 2010 - 11:45am
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In cases such as this, where the crimes are so heinous, the evidence so overwhelming and incontrovertible, supported by an evidentially sound confession, I would support the death penalty.

In my view, he should have been exterminated at the time.

 

2nd Mar 2010 - 11:49am
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neilinleeds wrote:

Kent, he's never going to be released. It's just not going to happen. He is however entitled to know what his minimum sentence is, and that's what is being thrashed out in the courts at the moment. When he was sentenced, the judge said he should serve a minimum of 30 years, which he's very nearly done, but unusally the Home Office have never actually given him his tariff, which sets out the minimum length of sentence before he becomes eligible for consideration for parole. The current case is simply looking at what evidence should be taken into account so that the tariff can at last be set. Chances are, after lots of legal arguments and lurid headlines about this, that and the other, for 13 murders he'll be given a whole life tariff, which means he will die in prison.

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Nothing would suprise me Neil.

There are some very clever lawyers out there, and let us not forget that when he was sentenced, there were no human rights laws like there are today. We were not told what to do by a European Parliament, like we are today.

Europe can and have overturned our laws on many occasions, and they could interfere in our criminal laws system too.

I think a lot of people were hoping that before the thirty year term was up, someone would have either killed him or he would have just died in prison. But so far neither one has happened. Yes the courts will have to thrash out his term but still at the cost of thousands to the taxpayer I bet.

We have spent enough on this murderer and as Gaunty stated this morning " apparently " he should have hung and saved us all the money.

Nothing would suprise me Neil in the lefty country we now live in, as the right side would have advocated the death penalty.....cannot see many of the left wanting that. icon_wink.gif

 

2nd Mar 2010 - 12:25pm
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neilinleeds wrote:

Kent, he's never going to be released. It's just not going to happen. He is however entitled to know what his minimum sentence is, and that's what is being thrashed out in the courts at the moment. When he was sentenced, the judge said he should serve a minimum of 30 years, which he's very nearly done, but unusally the Home Office have never actually given him his tariff, which sets out the minimum length of sentence before he becomes eligible for consideration for parole. The current case is simply looking at what evidence should be taken into account so that the tariff can at last be set. Chances are, after lots of legal arguments and lurid headlines about this, that and the other, for 13 murders he'll be given a whole life tariff, which means he will die in prison.

Neil x x x icon_wink.gif

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Kent, I often wonder why you actually still live in this country, when you appear to be so against many of the systems in place for us all.

 

2nd Mar 2010 - 1:01pm
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Freckledbird wrote:

neilinleeds wrote:

Kent, he's never going to be released. It's just not going to happen. He is however entitled to know what his minimum sentence is, and that's what is being thrashed out in the courts at the moment. When he was sentenced, the judge said he should serve a minimum of 30 years, which he's very nearly done, but unusally the Home Office have never actually given him his tariff, which sets out the minimum length of sentence before he becomes eligible for consideration for parole. The current case is simply looking at what evidence should be taken into account so that the tariff can at last be set. Chances are, after lots of legal arguments and lurid headlines about this, that and the other, for 13 murders he'll be given a whole life tariff, which means he will die in prison.

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Kent, I often wonder why you actually still live in this country, when you appear to be so against many of the systems in place for us all.

You can't get the red-tops here....

 

2nd Mar 2010 - 1:41pm
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Freckledbird wrote:

neilinleeds wrote:

Kent, he's never going to be released. It's just not going to happen. He is however entitled to know what his minimum sentence is, and that's what is being thrashed out in the courts at the moment. When he was sentenced, the judge said he should serve a minimum of 30 years, which he's very nearly done, but unusally the Home Office have never actually given him his tariff, which sets out the minimum length of sentence before he becomes eligible for consideration for parole. The current case is simply looking at what evidence should be taken into account so that the tariff can at last be set. Chances are, after lots of legal arguments and lurid headlines about this, that and the other, for 13 murders he'll be given a whole life tariff, which means he will die in prison.

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Kent, I often wonder why you actually still live in this country, when you appear to be so against many of the systems in place for us all.


Being honest it is because I am English and my family is here.

When I retire which will be in about ten years time, I will move abroad.

The UK has become a laughing stock for most of Europe, and a guy who was on the radio the other day from South Africa was talking about the UK, said they view us over here as rather odd....cannot disagree with that comment I suppose. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

I am hoping and praying that this lefty Government that have destroyed a lot of what was great about this country, will be kicked out and then I hope that some of the things can be put right...won't hold me breath though.

Nice of you to think about me FB...truly touched. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

Anyway FB schools are not shut for another holiday at the moment are they? As you seem to be on here in school hours. icon_wink.gif

100 lines...........I shall not use the computers in working hours. icon_lol.gif

 

2nd Mar 2010 - 3:59pm
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easyrider_xxx wrote:

In cases such as this, where the crimes are so heinous, the evidence so overwhelming and incontrovertible, supported by an evidentially sound confession, I would support the death penalty.

In my view, he should have been exterminated at the time.


The problem with that is when the next case comes along, will there be such overwhelming evidence and I can just see other problems with having a two tier sentancing system.

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2nd Mar 2010 - 5:47pm
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kentswingers777 wrote:

Freckledbird wrote:

neilinleeds wrote:

Kent, he's never going to be released. It's just not going to happen. He is however entitled to know what his minimum sentence is, and that's what is being thrashed out in the courts at the moment. When he was sentenced, the judge said he should serve a minimum of 30 years, which he's very nearly done, but unusally the Home Office have never actually given him his tariff, which sets out the minimum length of sentence before he becomes eligible for consideration for parole. The current case is simply looking at what evidence should be taken into account so that the tariff can at last be set. Chances are, after lots of legal arguments and lurid headlines about this, that and the other, for 13 murders he'll be given a whole life tariff, which means he will die in prison.

Neil x x x icon_wink.gif

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Kent, I often wonder why you actually still live in this country, when you appear to be so against many of the systems in place for us all.


Being honest it is because I am English and my family is here.

When I retire which will be in about ten years time, I will move abroad.

The UK has become a laughing stock for most of Europe, and a guy who was on the radio the other day from South Africa was talking about the UK, said they view us over here as rather odd....cannot disagree with that comment I suppose. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

I am hoping and praying that this lefty Government that have destroyed a lot of what was great about this country, will be kicked out and then I hope that some of the things can be put right...won't hold me breath though.

Nice of you to think about me FB...truly touched. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

Anyway FB schools are not shut for another holiday at the moment are they? As you seem to be on here in school hours. icon_wink.gif

100 lines...........I shall not use the computers in working hours. icon_lol.gif


Yeah,because South Africa doesn't have any faults,and is considered the safest country to live in,no poverty to talk about there!

 

2nd Mar 2010 - 6:51pm
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kentswingers777 wrote:



Being honest it is because I am English and my family is here.

When I retire which will be in about ten years time, I will move abroad.

snipsnip


Will you stop being English when you retire and are you planning on bumping off your family on that day?

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2nd Mar 2010 - 8:02pm
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foxylady2209 wrote:

kentswingers777 wrote:



Being honest it is because I am English and my family is here.

When I retire which will be in about ten years time, I will move abroad.

snipsnip


Will you stop being English when you retire and are you planning on bumping off your family on that day?

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No never stop being English as am not British btw. icon_wink.gif

No not bump them off but when I have my nice villa they can all come over and laze in the sunshine by the pool. Or maybe head down to the beach for the day.

Ten years and 34 days...........and counting.

 

2nd Mar 2010 - 8:03pm
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Mr-Powers wrote:

kentswingers777 wrote:

Freckledbird wrote:

neilinleeds wrote:

Kent, he's never going to be released. It's just not going to happen. He is however entitled to know what his minimum sentence is, and that's what is being thrashed out in the courts at the moment. When he was sentenced, the judge said he should serve a minimum of 30 years, which he's very nearly done, but unusally the Home Office have never actually given him his tariff, which sets out the minimum length of sentence before he becomes eligible for consideration for parole. The current case is simply looking at what evidence should be taken into account so that the tariff can at last be set. Chances are, after lots of legal arguments and lurid headlines about this, that and the other, for 13 murders he'll be given a whole life tariff, which means he will die in prison.

Neil x x x icon_wink.gif

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Kent, I often wonder why you actually still live in this country, when you appear to be so against many of the systems in place for us all.


Being honest it is because I am English and my family is here.

When I retire which will be in about ten years time, I will move abroad.

The UK has become a laughing stock for most of Europe, and a guy who was on the radio the other day from South Africa was talking about the UK, said they view us over here as rather odd....cannot disagree with that comment I suppose. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

I am hoping and praying that this lefty Government that have destroyed a lot of what was great about this country, will be kicked out and then I hope that some of the things can be put right...won't hold me breath though.

Nice of you to think about me FB...truly touched. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

Anyway FB schools are not shut for another holiday at the moment are they? As you seem to be on here in school hours. icon_wink.gif

100 lines...........I shall not use the computers in working hours. icon_lol.gif


Yeah,because South Africa doesn't have any faults,and is considered the safest country to live in,no poverty to talk about there!


But at least they have better weather than us. icon_lol.gif

 

2nd Mar 2010 - 10:36pm
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Blimey...even the Guardian do not want him released....maybe times are a changing. icon_lol.gif

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/02/peter-sutcliffe-hate-crimes-women

 

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kentswingers777 wrote:

Mr-Powers wrote:

kentswingers777 wrote:

Freckledbird wrote:

neilinleeds wrote:

Kent, he's never going to be released. It's just not going to happen. He is however entitled to know what his minimum sentence is, and that's what is being thrashed out in the courts at the moment. When he was sentenced, the judge said he should serve a minimum of 30 years, which he's very nearly done, but unusally the Home Office have never actually given him his tariff, which sets out the minimum length of sentence before he becomes eligible for consideration for parole. The current case is simply looking at what evidence should be taken into account so that the tariff can at last be set. Chances are, after lots of legal arguments and lurid headlines about this, that and the other, for 13 murders he'll be given a whole life tariff, which means he will die in prison.

Neil x x x icon_wink.gif

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Kent, I often wonder why you actually still live in this country, when you appear to be so against many of the systems in place for us all.


Being honest it is because I am English and my family is here.

When I retire which will be in about ten years time, I will move abroad.

The UK has become a laughing stock for most of Europe, and a guy who was on the radio the other day from South Africa was talking about the UK, said they view us over here as rather odd....cannot disagree with that comment I suppose. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

I am hoping and praying that this lefty Government that have destroyed a lot of what was great about this country, will be kicked out and then I hope that some of the things can be put right...won't hold me breath though.

Nice of you to think about me FB...truly touched. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

Anyway FB schools are not shut for another holiday at the moment are they? As you seem to be on here in school hours. icon_wink.gif

100 lines...........I shall not use the computers in working hours. icon_lol.gif


Yeah,because South Africa doesn't have any faults,and is considered the safest country to live in,no poverty to talk about there!


But at least they have better weather than us. icon_lol.gif

SA is one of the most dangerous places on earth to live!

Most of the white population drive around with a loaded cocked pistol in their lap and a baseball bat down the side of the seat, with windows closed and doors locked.

Many whites live in locked gated, armed guarded communities and it is just not safe to venture out in the hours of darkness without proper protection.

 

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Plimboy wrote:

easyrider_xxx wrote:

In cases such as this, where the crimes are so heinous, the evidence so overwhelming and incontrovertible, supported by an evidentially sound confession, I would support the death penalty.

In my view, he should have been exterminated at the time.


The problem with that is when the next case comes along, will there be such overwhelming evidence and I can just see other problems with having a two tier sentancing system.

Plim icon_sad.gif


Yes good points - nothing is ever perfect and the whole issue is fraught with difficulties in establishing the parameters, but in the case of Peter Suttcliff et al, I would place them well and truly across the line and advocate extermination
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