Well whatever officials within the education system may say, this high powered business woman surely knows better?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1256895/They-read-write-think-world-owes-living-Tesco-directors-damning-verdict-school-leavers.html
I have said for years that exams are getting easier, what with coursework being allowed as part of your grades or...being allowed to take your GCSE's a year earlier in a lot of cases.
This is a pretty damning statement from an employer who recruits thousands of people.
As an employer we have taken on youngsters, and whilst they never seemed to have a attitude problem, I certainly would not have let any of them write a letter on the companys behalf, or do an invoice as their skills in that department were pretty poor.
It sorts of makes a mockery of the " best exam results ever " brigade.
I deal with a lot of companies who experience exactly what she is saying, and that is why a lot of employers will not take school leavers on, which is sad as a huge percentage are not like this....are they?
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Sounds about right
10th Mar 2010 - 7:11pm
Why shouldn't course work be part of an exam result 
And why is being able to take an exam a year early a bad thing
Surely if a pupil is at a stage where they can take an exam a year earlier than intended that speaks volumes for their progress
And why is being able to take an exam a year early a bad thing
Surely if a pupil is at a stage where they can take an exam a year earlier than intended that speaks volumes for their progress
Steve wrote:
Why shouldn't course work be part of an exam result
And why is being able to take an exam a year early a bad thing
Surely if a pupil is at a stage where they can take an exam a year earlier than intended that speaks volumes for their progress
Why shouldn't course work be part of an exam result
And why is being able to take an exam a year early a bad thing
Surely if a pupil is at a stage where they can take an exam a year earlier than intended that speaks volumes for their progress
Firstly course work can be copied either from the internet, or you get ideas from others.
Secondly when a child takes an exam a year earlier and let's say gets a b, then a year later they take it again and say get a c, the b grade is the one they get in their exam results. Also not ALL children are allowed to take that exam a year earlier, in a lot of schools it is the top sect of kids that can take them early, and not the ones further down the academic scale...hardly fair.
I always believed that all kids done the same studying for the exams and then they all sit down in May of their final year, to take the exam....not anymore.
Plus did you know that depending on your childs ability they can opt for an easier paper ( the highest grade you can get is a c ) or...the harder paper where the minimum grade is a c and the highest being an a star.
Another reason why exam grades look great.
Surely the most important things children can learn are to be able to read and write, and to do basic maths?
Read the link again.
I do not blame the kids in a lot of cases, but the whole education system, where they put charts and graphs before reality.
Sats being a typical example.
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That it?
'More broadly, a society where people don't feel the need to work to gain material possessions will not be a stable or successful society.'
Interesting... but not the point of this thread.
Perhaps Tesco should review their recruitment policy, as they do not seem to be attracting the right people for their vacancies.
Also, I'm happy education standards are slipping, it means I'm almost guaranteed a 1st in my BA!! hahahaha
Interesting... but not the point of this thread.
Perhaps Tesco should review their recruitment policy, as they do not seem to be attracting the right people for their vacancies.
Also, I'm happy education standards are slipping, it means I'm almost guaranteed a 1st in my BA!! hahahaha
jdwxxx wrote:
'More broadly, a society where people don't feel the need to work to gain material possessions will not be a stable or successful society.'
Interesting... but not the point of this thread.
Perhaps Tesco should review their recruitment policy, as they do not seem to be attracting the right people for their vacancies.
Also, I'm happy education standards are slipping, it means I'm almost guaranteed a 1st in my BA!! hahahaha
'More broadly, a society where people don't feel the need to work to gain material possessions will not be a stable or successful society.'
Interesting... but not the point of this thread.
Perhaps Tesco should review their recruitment policy, as they do not seem to be attracting the right people for their vacancies.
Also, I'm happy education standards are slipping, it means I'm almost guaranteed a 1st in my BA!! hahahaha
Now that is true but oh so very funny.
Re: Sounds about right
10th Mar 2010 - 8:13pm
kentswingers777 wrote:
Well whatever officials within the education system may say, this high powered business woman surely knows better?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1256895/They-read-write-think-world-owes-living-Tesco-directors-damning-verdict-school-leavers.html
I have said for years that exams are getting easier, what with coursework being allowed as part of your grades or...being allowed to take your GCSE's a year earlier in a lot of cases.
This is a pretty damning statement from an employer who recruits thousands of people.
As an employer we have taken on youngsters, and whilst they never seemed to have a attitude problem, I certainly would not have let any of them write a letter on the companys behalf, or do an invoice as their skills in that department were pretty poor.
It sorts of makes a mockery of the " best exam results ever " brigade.
I deal with a lot of companies who experience exactly what she is saying, and that is why a lot of employers will not take school leavers on, which is sad as a huge percentage are not like this....are they?
Well whatever officials within the education system may say, this high powered business woman surely knows better?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1256895/They-read-write-think-world-owes-living-Tesco-directors-damning-verdict-school-leavers.html
I have said for years that exams are getting easier, what with coursework being allowed as part of your grades or...being allowed to take your GCSE's a year earlier in a lot of cases.
This is a pretty damning statement from an employer who recruits thousands of people.
As an employer we have taken on youngsters, and whilst they never seemed to have a attitude problem, I certainly would not have let any of them write a letter on the companys behalf, or do an invoice as their skills in that department were pretty poor.
It sorts of makes a mockery of the " best exam results ever " brigade.
I deal with a lot of companies who experience exactly what she is saying, and that is why a lot of employers will not take school leavers on, which is sad as a huge percentage are not like this....are they?
You should choose your friends more carefully Kenty.
She's a former civil servant who worked for the worst government in the twentieth century (John Major's sleaze ridden collection of non entities) then used her career in the Civil Service as a springboard to a place on the board at Tesco's despite having no real time experience of the world of work. Quality recruitment that by Tesco's. If you're in the business of playing join the dots, can you think of the most famous Tory Party figure to be associated with Tesco's? Anyway, on to your more substantive points.
Kids have always been allowed to take exams a year early. The 'genius kid gets O level maths at 11' story is a staple of local hacks in August.
Coursework is a way of redressing the balance between those kids who're bright but nervous and those who're good at exams, rather than intelligent.
As for Tescos having problems with the kids they recruit, have they tried some traditional recruitment tactics; like paying a decent wage, giving them decent training, motivating them and giving them a reason to believe there's a career for them in Tescos.
Nah, thought not. They like 16 year olds because they don't even have to pay NMW, and they lobbied the government to allow them to use 16 year olds to sell alcohol they can't even drink.
Class company Tescos.
kentswingers777 wrote:
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Surely the most important things children can learn are to be able to read and write, and to do basic maths?
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Surely the most important things children can learn are to be able to read and write, and to do basic maths?
If that's all you expect of a student at GCSE then the dumbing down of exams is hardly an issue.
For me, it is essential that ALL students in mainstream school and the majority in special schools can do what you say. But that would be a minimum for the majority. They should also be able to reason, research effectively, produce original work, explain their reasoning, and to have advanced in at least a few of the core academic subjects and/or practical (useful rather than arty) subjects. Very little of this is truly tested in the exam environment in a stuffy hall for 3 hours in the heat of June.
Coursework - or better named continuous assessment - does not automatically mean mindless downloads from the internet or work actually done by doting parents. When that happens it is because the work has been poorly thought out and lazilly assessed by the teacher. Course work can (and now often is) done in class, singly or in groups, and can certainly be strictly monitored for plagiarism, downloading and too much outside help.
Surely the most effective education is one that allows the student to flourish in their own learning style while ensuring they come out of the education environment capable of entering specialist learning (Uni etc) or the workplace. And that takes effort, resources and support for the teachers and schools.
kentswingers777 wrote:
stuff
stuff
So basically what you would like to see is kids made to take the hardest exams regardless of if they are up to the task or not (and this could be due to a shortfall in schooling or simply because they dont have an aptitude for the subject....As does happen.....Not all kids can be great at everything) so that would make the exam results tables more realistic ?
And why is the internet such a bad thing for kids to use
Its another tool and if they can use it proficiently then that has to be a good thing surely
Granted some kids will try it on and copy huge chunks of it into their home/course work but often as not it gets spotted and chucked right back at them.....I know my kids tried it in the past and didn't get away with it and now only use it to gather information which they then interpret in their own way....
Many here use the internet as a tool to back up their arguments so why not the kids ??
Well Steve this won't be an option soon as coursework will be banned. Not sure when from but either this year or next. I think after the exams being taken this May, after that coursework will not form part of work towards exams grades.
But Kent, you have said yourself that your own standard of spelling, punctuation, etc is not as good as it should be - and I'm sure that there are many other people our age, who had a so called good "old-fashioned" education who would say the same about themselves - so obviously there were problems with the old system.
Re: Sounds about right
10th Mar 2010 - 10:46pm
awayman wrote:
You should choose your friends more carefully Kenty.
She's a former civil servant who worked for the worst government in the twentieth century (John Major's sleaze ridden collection of non entities) then used her career in the Civil Service as a springboard to a place on the board at Tesco's despite having no real time experience of the world of work. Quality recruitment that by Tesco's. If you're in the business of playing join the dots, can you think of the most famous Tory Party figure to be associated with Tesco's? Anyway, on to your more substantive points.
Kids have always been allowed to take exams a year early. The 'genius kid gets O level maths at 11' story is a staple of local hacks in August.
Coursework is a way of redressing the balance between those kids who're bright but nervous and those who're good at exams, rather than intelligent.
As for Tescos having problems with the kids they recruit, have they tried some traditional recruitment tactics; like paying a decent wage, giving them decent training, motivating them and giving them a reason to believe there's a career for them in Tescos.
Nah, thought not. They like 16 year olds because they don't even have to pay NMW, and they lobbied the government to allow them to use 16 year olds to sell alcohol they can't even drink.
Class company Tescos.
kentswingers777 wrote:
Well whatever officials within the education system may say, this high powered business woman surely knows better?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1256895/They-read-write-think-world-owes-living-Tesco-directors-damning-verdict-school-leavers.html
I have said for years that exams are getting easier, what with coursework being allowed as part of your grades or...being allowed to take your GCSE's a year earlier in a lot of cases.
This is a pretty damning statement from an employer who recruits thousands of people.
As an employer we have taken on youngsters, and whilst they never seemed to have a attitude problem, I certainly would not have let any of them write a letter on the companys behalf, or do an invoice as their skills in that department were pretty poor.
It sorts of makes a mockery of the " best exam results ever " brigade.
I deal with a lot of companies who experience exactly what she is saying, and that is why a lot of employers will not take school leavers on, which is sad as a huge percentage are not like this....are they?
Well whatever officials within the education system may say, this high powered business woman surely knows better?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1256895/They-read-write-think-world-owes-living-Tesco-directors-damning-verdict-school-leavers.html
I have said for years that exams are getting easier, what with coursework being allowed as part of your grades or...being allowed to take your GCSE's a year earlier in a lot of cases.
This is a pretty damning statement from an employer who recruits thousands of people.
As an employer we have taken on youngsters, and whilst they never seemed to have a attitude problem, I certainly would not have let any of them write a letter on the companys behalf, or do an invoice as their skills in that department were pretty poor.
It sorts of makes a mockery of the " best exam results ever " brigade.
I deal with a lot of companies who experience exactly what she is saying, and that is why a lot of employers will not take school leavers on, which is sad as a huge percentage are not like this....are they?
You should choose your friends more carefully Kenty.
She's a former civil servant who worked for the worst government in the twentieth century (John Major's sleaze ridden collection of non entities) then used her career in the Civil Service as a springboard to a place on the board at Tesco's despite having no real time experience of the world of work. Quality recruitment that by Tesco's. If you're in the business of playing join the dots, can you think of the most famous Tory Party figure to be associated with Tesco's? Anyway, on to your more substantive points.
Kids have always been allowed to take exams a year early. The 'genius kid gets O level maths at 11' story is a staple of local hacks in August.
Coursework is a way of redressing the balance between those kids who're bright but nervous and those who're good at exams, rather than intelligent.
As for Tescos having problems with the kids they recruit, have they tried some traditional recruitment tactics; like paying a decent wage, giving them decent training, motivating them and giving them a reason to believe there's a career for them in Tescos.
Nah, thought not. They like 16 year olds because they don't even have to pay NMW, and they lobbied the government to allow them to use 16 year olds to sell alcohol they can't even drink.
Class company Tescos.
You have shown your opinions many times on here, and I always knew you hated big business.
I think you will find they pay a decent wage already. Or are you saying they employ youngsters and pay them an illegal wage? Which one is it?
I also think you know nothing whatsoever about the training they offer, otherwise you would not make ridiculous unknowledgable claims.
Sometimes you really overdo the amateur dramatics thing.
Or are you now implying another trade you have done?
Prey tell everyone how you know so much about Tesco's recruitment policies and their wage structure. I am intrigued to know or is it another rant against anything successful in business?
Physician heal thyself.
Re: Sounds about right
10th Mar 2010 - 10:50pm
kentswingers777 wrote:
You have shown your opinions many times on here, and I always knew you hated big business.
I think you will find they pay a decent wage already. Or are you saying they employ youngsters and pay them an illegal wage? Which one is it?
I also think you know nothing whatsoever about the training they offer, otherwise you would not make ridiculous unknowledgable claims.
Sometimes you really overdo the amateur dramatics thing.
Or are you now implying another trade you have done?
Prey tell everyone how you know so much about Tesco's recruitment policies and their wage structure. I am intrigued to know or is it another rant against anything successful in business?
awayman wrote:
You should choose your friends more carefully Kenty.
She's a former civil servant who worked for the worst government in the twentieth century (John Major's sleaze ridden collection of non entities) then used her career in the Civil Service as a springboard to a place on the board at Tesco's despite having no real time experience of the world of work. Quality recruitment that by Tesco's. If you're in the business of playing join the dots, can you think of the most famous Tory Party figure to be associated with Tesco's? Anyway, on to your more substantive points.
Kids have always been allowed to take exams a year early. The 'genius kid gets O level maths at 11' story is a staple of local hacks in August.
Coursework is a way of redressing the balance between those kids who're bright but nervous and those who're good at exams, rather than intelligent.
As for Tescos having problems with the kids they recruit, have they tried some traditional recruitment tactics; like paying a decent wage, giving them decent training, motivating them and giving them a reason to believe there's a career for them in Tescos.
Nah, thought not. They like 16 year olds because they don't even have to pay NMW, and they lobbied the government to allow them to use 16 year olds to sell alcohol they can't even drink.
Class company Tescos.
kentswingers777 wrote:
Well whatever officials within the education system may say, this high powered business woman surely knows better?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1256895/They-read-write-think-world-owes-living-Tesco-directors-damning-verdict-school-leavers.html
I have said for years that exams are getting easier, what with coursework being allowed as part of your grades or...being allowed to take your GCSE's a year earlier in a lot of cases.
This is a pretty damning statement from an employer who recruits thousands of people.
As an employer we have taken on youngsters, and whilst they never seemed to have a attitude problem, I certainly would not have let any of them write a letter on the companys behalf, or do an invoice as their skills in that department were pretty poor.
It sorts of makes a mockery of the " best exam results ever " brigade.
I deal with a lot of companies who experience exactly what she is saying, and that is why a lot of employers will not take school leavers on, which is sad as a huge percentage are not like this....are they?
Well whatever officials within the education system may say, this high powered business woman surely knows better?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1256895/They-read-write-think-world-owes-living-Tesco-directors-damning-verdict-school-leavers.html
I have said for years that exams are getting easier, what with coursework being allowed as part of your grades or...being allowed to take your GCSE's a year earlier in a lot of cases.
This is a pretty damning statement from an employer who recruits thousands of people.
As an employer we have taken on youngsters, and whilst they never seemed to have a attitude problem, I certainly would not have let any of them write a letter on the companys behalf, or do an invoice as their skills in that department were pretty poor.
It sorts of makes a mockery of the " best exam results ever " brigade.
I deal with a lot of companies who experience exactly what she is saying, and that is why a lot of employers will not take school leavers on, which is sad as a huge percentage are not like this....are they?
You should choose your friends more carefully Kenty.
She's a former civil servant who worked for the worst government in the twentieth century (John Major's sleaze ridden collection of non entities) then used her career in the Civil Service as a springboard to a place on the board at Tesco's despite having no real time experience of the world of work. Quality recruitment that by Tesco's. If you're in the business of playing join the dots, can you think of the most famous Tory Party figure to be associated with Tesco's? Anyway, on to your more substantive points.
Kids have always been allowed to take exams a year early. The 'genius kid gets O level maths at 11' story is a staple of local hacks in August.
Coursework is a way of redressing the balance between those kids who're bright but nervous and those who're good at exams, rather than intelligent.
As for Tescos having problems with the kids they recruit, have they tried some traditional recruitment tactics; like paying a decent wage, giving them decent training, motivating them and giving them a reason to believe there's a career for them in Tescos.
Nah, thought not. They like 16 year olds because they don't even have to pay NMW, and they lobbied the government to allow them to use 16 year olds to sell alcohol they can't even drink.
Class company Tescos.
You have shown your opinions many times on here, and I always knew you hated big business.
I think you will find they pay a decent wage already. Or are you saying they employ youngsters and pay them an illegal wage? Which one is it?
I also think you know nothing whatsoever about the training they offer, otherwise you would not make ridiculous unknowledgable claims.
Sometimes you really overdo the amateur dramatics thing.
Or are you now implying another trade you have done?
Prey tell everyone how you know so much about Tesco's recruitment policies and their wage structure. I am intrigued to know or is it another rant against anything successful in business?
well i'd take anything awayman says over the inconsistant bollocks that you sprout on a daily basis...
Well I always had you down as a fool Powers. and a misery guts.
Unless of course you know different?
and a misery guts.
Unless of course you know different?
And so the thread (again!) degenerates into a schoolyard points scoring competition.
Can't you lot grow up?
Boring.
<<<<<< Walks away from what otherwise was becoming an interesting discussion on the value of differet kinds of education/assessment.
Can't you lot grow up?
Boring.
<<<<<< Walks away from what otherwise was becoming an interesting discussion on the value of differet kinds of education/assessment.
Please stay on topic and keep petty personal sniping away from the debate please.
Dave_Notts
Dave_Notts
Am sorry Foxy but I get sick and tired of " snipes " at me all the time.
I start threads here which some do not like and some that do.That is the nature of a forum.
Seems it is always the same people that have nothing constructive to say apart from a dig...on this occasion I am not talking about Awayman. He put together a good counter arguement.
If I had a quid everytime this has happened I would be able to buy myself a new house.
I start threads here which some do not like and some that do.That is the nature of a forum.
Seems it is always the same people that have nothing constructive to say apart from a dig...on this occasion I am not talking about Awayman. He put together a good counter arguement.
If I had a quid everytime this has happened I would be able to buy myself a new house.
