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9th Jan 2010 - 3:12pm
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awayman wrote:

Well now, suppose we say the jury's still out on AGW.

That leaves you with a question.

We know that we needlessly pollute, by burning more fossil fuels than we need to, so why not stop doing it? We know that we waste finite resources by not insulating our homes properly, so why not stop doing it?

That way you don't have to get into the mad pissing contest that is AGW and its opponents; you just have to say yourself being wasteful is daft.



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Man made ocean acidification by CO2 anyone?....................

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/01/31/ocean-acidification-and-corals/

Or you could read this?...........................

http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/OA/background.html

Then you would be really confused !!

This is the problem with the whole GW debate - just what to believe?


Agreed 100%.
But the problem is that governments around the world are making decisions and raising taxes based on suspect evidence. Would I be right to expect a refund on my £415 a year car tax because the justification was solely on its carbon emmissions if this does turn out to be a con?
 

 

9th Jan 2010 - 6:08pm
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That kind of presumes that we have the right to strike down or revoke laws made on the basis of dodgy evidence or illogical assumptions. On that basis we'd have to work our way through most of the sexual offences and obscenity laws before we even got close to sorting out road traffic law and taxation.




Too Hot wrote:

awayman wrote:

Well now, suppose we say the jury's still out on AGW.

That leaves you with a question.

We know that we needlessly pollute, by burning more fossil fuels than we need to, so why not stop doing it? We know that we waste finite resources by not insulating our homes properly, so why not stop doing it?

That way you don't have to get into the mad pissing contest that is AGW and its opponents; you just have to say yourself being wasteful is daft.



Too Hot wrote:

Man made ocean acidification by CO2 anyone?....................

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/01/31/ocean-acidification-and-corals/

Or you could read this?...........................

http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/OA/background.html

Then you would be really confused !!

This is the problem with the whole GW debate - just what to believe?


Agreed 100%.
But the problem is that governments around the world are making decisions and raising taxes based on suspect evidence. Would I be right to expect a refund on my ?415 a year car tax because the justification was solely on its carbon emmissions if this does turn out to be a con?
 

 

9th Jan 2010 - 11:36pm
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Too Hot wrote:


Agreed 100%.
But the problem is that governments around the world are making decisions and raising taxes based on suspect evidence. Would I be right to expect a refund on my ?415 a year car tax because the justification was solely on its carbon emmissions if this does turn out to be a con?


Get a life. The govs are well-aware that AGW is a con.
But the money and control that the scam gives them is too much to pass-by. That and the massive extension of socialism world-wide.
I note that Boris is now proposing road-user-charging for London, and an extension of the congestion charge zones......
 

 

11th Jan 2010 - 5:29pm
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JTS wrote:

Too Hot wrote:


Agreed 100%.
But the problem is that governments around the world are making decisions and raising taxes based on suspect evidence. Would I be right to expect a refund on my ?415 a year car tax because the justification was solely on its carbon emmissions if this does turn out to be a con?


Get a life. The govs are well-aware that AGW is a con.
But the money and control that the scam gives them is too much to pass-by. That and the massive extension of socialism world-wide.
I note that Boris is now proposing road-user-charging for London, and an extension of the congestion charge zones......
nothing social about govnment control and bankers profits jts.
 

 

14th Jan 2010 - 9:44am
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does ot mean i can stop going to thte tanning salon,if so it is a gd thing
 

 

22nd Jan 2010 - 9:22am
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Just to further this debate a little, I have just found an article in the Guardian newspaper by Michael Fish, luminary of the BBC and Met Office. He is trying to make a case for the BBC not ending its contract with the Met Office. (Seemingly, even the BBC are now trying to distance themselves from the Met Office and their consistently incorrect mid term forecasts - the accusation that warm bias is too entrenched in their models to deliver any kind of accuracy).

Anyway Michael comes out with a memorable snippet that "Climate science is in its infancy." Oh !! Really !! And we all thought it was settled ??

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/18/fair-weather-friends-met-office
 

 

22nd Jan 2010 - 10:05am
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Too Hot wrote:

Just to further this debate a little, I have just found an article in the Guardian newspaper by Michael Fish, luminary of the BBC and Met Office. He is trying to make a case for the BBC not ending its contract with the Met Office. (Seemingly, even the BBC are now trying to distance themselves from the Met Office and their consistently incorrect mid term forecasts - the accusation that warm bias is too entrenched in their models to deliver any kind of accuracy).

Anyway Michael comes out with a memorable snippet that "Climate science is in its infancy." Oh !! Really !! And we all thought it was settled ??

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/18/fair-weather-friends-met-office


Michael Fish?

Is that the idiot who could not see the worst hurricane in 200 years heading our way?

The guy I would not trust to run my bath, let alone preach about anything of any value!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqs1YXfdtGE

Now you tell me if this guy knows what he is on about.
 

 

31st Jan 2010 - 7:09pm
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Successive disclosures are suggesting to me that global warming science has been rigged to advance political and economic agendas, this is undermining the, "man made" greenhouse gas theory.

Not sure if we have seen this one before or not, looks like the IPCC will use any report that suites there standpoint, even if it has no basis in fact

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6991177.ece
 

 

1st Feb 2010 - 9:45am
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I see the ipcc chairperson is coming around to the SH viewpoint:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7111068/Revealed-the-racy-novel-written-by-the-worlds-most-powerful-climate-scientist.html
 

 

1st Feb 2010 - 2:44pm
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Ive only just seen this forum so excuse me if i'm repeating anything.
I think a good place to start is http://climatedebatedaily.com/
if you are really interested this site gives equal say to both sides of the argument.

I have been following this for a long time and my view is that it's all complete and utter crap! a total scam!
lots of well meaning folks have been deluded by a bunch of crooks at the hadley centre the met office and IPPCs.

why? money, control i dunno but i don't believe a word of it.

Mike
 

 

15th May 2010 - 4:00pm
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When will this global warming kick in, its bloody freezing here today!
 

 

31st Aug 2010 - 9:16pm
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Thought that this thread might be up for a fresh airing as a result of this:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/196642/Climate-change-lies-are-exposed

Or

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/31/iap_on_ipcc/

Can't be much longer now before this all collapses into a deep pile of stinking bullshit and we can all look forward to getting our green taxes returned icon_wink.gif
 

 

31st Aug 2010 - 9:19pm
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Too Hot wrote:

Thought that this thread might be up for a fresh airing as a result of this:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/196642/Climate-change-lies-are-exposed

Or

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/31/iap_on_ipcc/

Can't be much longer now before this all collapses into a deep pile of stinking bullshit and we can all look forward to getting our green taxes returned icon_wink.gif


Crooks, the bloody lot of them

I am only amazed by how many people were sucked in by their Government funded lies
 

 

31st Aug 2010 - 9:32pm
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Too Hot wrote:

Thought that this thread might be up for a fresh airing as a result of this:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/196642/Climate-change-lies-are-exposed

Or

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/31/iap_on_ipcc/

Can't be much longer now before this all collapses into a deep pile of stinking bullshit and we can all look forward to getting our green taxes returned icon_wink.gif


all the hypocrisy of climate change is to little to late for places like the Maldives


enjoy its some thing that I'm told will not be there in ten to fifteen years


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgNAn5udCac&feature=related
 

 

31st Aug 2010 - 9:50pm
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Lizaleanrob wrote:

Too Hot wrote:

Thought that this thread might be up for a fresh airing as a result of this:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/196642/Climate-change-lies-are-exposed

Or

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/31/iap_on_ipcc/

Can't be much longer now before this all collapses into a deep pile of stinking bullshit and we can all look forward to getting our green taxes returned icon_wink.gif


all the hypocrisy of climate change is to little to late for places like the Maldives


enjoy its some thing that I'm told will not be there in ten to fifteen years


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgNAn5udCac&feature=related


I am told that there were quite a few people living in what is now the English Channel a few thousand years ago. All their bloody camp fires caused so much global Warming their land is now 80 feet under water.
Then again, maybe it is just that the planet does change and todays subterranean reef is tomorrows holiday destination and todays holiday destination elsewhere on the planet is tomorrows subteranean coral reef. Is it possible that the world does change - quite naturally? And has done for millions of years before and will continue to do so for millions of years more?.... Dunno, just a thought.
 

 

31st Aug 2010 - 10:07pm
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Too Hot wrote:

Lizaleanrob wrote:

Too Hot wrote:

Thought that this thread might be up for a fresh airing as a result of this:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/196642/Climate-change-lies-are-exposed

Or

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/31/iap_on_ipcc/

Can't be much longer now before this all collapses into a deep pile of stinking bullshit and we can all look forward to getting our green taxes returned icon_wink.gif


all the hypocrisy of climate change is to little to late for places like the Maldives


enjoy its some thing that I'm told will not be there in ten to fifteen years


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgNAn5udCac&feature=related


I am told that there were quite a few people living in what is now the English Channel a few thousand years ago. All their bloody camp fires caused so much global Warming their land is now 80 feet under water.
Then again, maybe it is just that the planet does change and todays subterranean reef is tomorrows holiday destination and todays holiday destination elsewhere on the planet is tomorrows subteranean coral reef. Is it possible that the world does change - quite naturally? And has done for millions of years before and will continue to do so for millions of years more?.... Dunno, just a thought.


thumbup.gif

You mirror my thoughts on this matter 100%
 

 

1st Sep 2010 - 5:23am
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Bluefish2009 wrote:

Too Hot wrote:

Lizaleanrob wrote:

Too Hot wrote:

Thought that this thread might be up for a fresh airing as a result of this:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/196642/Climate-change-lies-are-exposed

Or

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/31/iap_on_ipcc/

Can't be much longer now before this all collapses into a deep pile of stinking bullshit and we can all look forward to getting our green taxes returned icon_wink.gif


all the hypocrisy of climate change is to little to late for places like the Maldives


enjoy its some thing that I'm told will not be there in ten to fifteen years


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgNAn5udCac&feature=related


I am told that there were quite a few people living in what is now the English Channel a few thousand years ago. All their bloody camp fires caused so much global Warming their land is now 80 feet under water.
Then again, maybe it is just that the planet does change and todays subterranean reef is tomorrows holiday destination and todays holiday destination elsewhere on the planet is tomorrows subteranean coral reef. Is it possible that the world does change - quite naturally? And has done for millions of years before and will continue to do so for millions of years more?.... Dunno, just a thought.


thumbup.gif

You mirror my thoughts on this matter 100%


most reef survive due to the the naturaly slow rise and fall of of sea levels

and i agree when we left the last ice age we started the journey head first towards the next one

there was also a time when oxford looked like the Maldives but this current melting of the ice caps is happening faster than any other time in the planets history

and much faster than the reefs can grow icon_sad.gif

but i think you`ll find it a little more than few thousand years ago the channel flooded




http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6904675.stm
 

 

1st Sep 2010 - 10:13am
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I would like the climate change brigade to explain this....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1307782/Hot--farewell-coldest-August-17-years.html


I will be long dead when a real expert comes along with REAL proof, that actually ya know climate change was a load of old cobblers.

We are all being taken for fools..........
 

 

1st Sep 2010 - 11:00am
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kentswingers777 wrote:

I would like the climate change brigade to explain this....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1307782/Hot--farewell-coldest-August-17-years.html



We are all being taken for fools..........


It`s been explained to you so many times, your failure to understand gives the reason for your final statement.
 

 

1st Sep 2010 - 12:35pm
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Too Hot wrote:




I am told that there were quite a few people living in what is now the English Channel a few thousand years ago. All their bloody camp fires caused so much global Warming their land is now 80 feet under water.
Then again, maybe it is just that the planet does change and todays subterranean reef is tomorrows holiday destination and todays holiday destination elsewhere on the planet is tomorrows subteranean coral reef. Is it possible that the world does change - quite naturally? And has done for millions of years before and will continue to do so for millions of years more?.... Dunno, just a thought.


They would surely have needed camp fires. The English Channel was created by the melting of the last Ice Age. I'd want a camp fire too! And central heating. icon_lol.gif Brrr!
 
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