To what extent is the link between Swinging and BDSM

One thing I have found is that most that are into BDSM as, as already been said, often only play with each other or as a very small group of regular's, not all but most of the swinger's that have wanted to use the dungeon, have wanted to use it for gangbang's, in which the woman would be restrained, so really a mild form of bondage, which Im sure could be fun, but a long way away from those how want it for BDSM play.

I'll get my coat................and boots

Like other's have said it is hard to find a Dom male of quality and with a knowlage of either bondage or D/s, we have spent many years looking for that one guy that can really deliver what other's profess to be able to, we have tried other swinging sites and BDSM site's, and met a number of male's who all talked the talk, but were so easyly found out, none ever got as far as the bedroom,one guy that did look promising when met, must have read his idiot's guide to BDSM before meeting us at the hotel, we spent most of the day getting to London to find once there, some one that went through the hand book, step 1 to step 2 and so on, afterward's we laughed and it was funny, but at the time I remember thinking, what are we doing here, and in the vain hope that thing would get better waited while he went through his whole list of thing's to do, form spanking to wax play, and to top it all the sex wasn't to great either.Like the saying goes, one day my prince will come,untill then, well we wait and see, we know there are capable Dom male's out there, with the ability, that are competent at what they do, just they get snaped up so quickly, so to those lucky enough to have found what your looking for, good on you,and be proud of what you have, because if we could find him we would be singing his praises from the roof top's.

That is as funny as the unknown person (to me)who wispered last nite and asked me to order them on cam!Could you give me lessons random,cos im not sure how to do top and it looks like u got the knack

unless u want too......................sooo predictable

Bugger, i was actually wondering yesterday how it went I want to say keep looking and you will find what you want,but you know that .

The ability to appear one thing in cyber realm when you are something totally different in rl is a drawback of the web. I wonder at the energy theses types put into it,and why.I get on my knees and praise my luck that i am getting to know someone the same in both.

And no you cant have his number

I really liked this thread and decided it deserved a dust down.

Aye payne thats very much the approach we take too.