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22nd Mar 2010 - 11:22pm
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Furthermore the law states:

The Association of Chief Police Officers distinguishes between a hate incident and a hate crime. A hate incident is:

“Any incident, which may or may not constitute a criminal offence, which is perceived by the victim or any other person, as being motivated by prejudice or hate.”


It is great to see some balanced views on here and not the usual bigoted, racist, sexist, ageist and amongst other views, which you find on so many other sites.

I lived in Canada for many years and there is a general view that everyone is accepted in society, regardless of his or her gender or religious beliefs. It would be great to see some more niceness instead of all this hatred.

More swinging I say or make love not war! icon_wink.gif
 

 

22nd Mar 2010 - 11:35pm
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Kaznkev wrote:

Mr-Powers wrote:

Would this woman have recieved as much press coverage if she had refused an unmarried couple from staying at her hotel,probably not!...would anyone care...probably not ,but because its a gay couple "shock horror"...everyones outraged!


for once powers i have to agree with you, Jesus condemmed adultery and had no comment on homosexuality,the old testament also has more to say about pre marital sex than homosexuality,this is not christianity , its prejudice


But references about God say different.

http://www.gotquestions.org/homosexuality-Bible.html

Still my last comment on this subject.
 

 

22nd Mar 2010 - 11:46pm
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kentswingers777 wrote:

Kaznkev wrote:

Mr-Powers wrote:

Would this woman have recieved as much press coverage if she had refused an unmarried couple from staying at her hotel,probably not!...would anyone care...probably not ,but because its a gay couple "shock horror"...everyones outraged!


for once powers i have to agree with you, Jesus condemmed adultery and had no comment on homosexuality,the old testament also has more to say about pre marital sex than homosexuality,this is not christianity , its prejudice


But references about God say different.

http://www.gotquestions.org/homosexuality-Bible.html

Still my last comment on this subject.



The link has nothing to say about Jesus,you can argue that the Acts are inspired by the spirit,but inspiration is different from direct revelation,and that is even without getting into translation problems.And Jesus is God btw

The fact is that if Jesus had considered homosexuality that big an issue he would have commented on it.As he commented on bigotry,prejudice,racism,sexism greed and hatred

ohh a theological debate, pls dont say it your last word
 

 

22nd Mar 2010 - 11:47pm
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The bible also states that Women should be subordinate to men and there should be no fidelity

Faith and Fidelity
How essential is faith in our relationship with God?

"... Without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him" (Hebrews 11:6, NIV).

"He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much" (Luke 16:10).

Trust and fidelity—faith in God and faithfulness to His Word—are essential aspects of the way of life of the Scriptures. In the New Testament the words faith, faithful and faithfulness are all derived from the Greek word pistis. Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words defines pistis as "trust,... trust-worthiness, ... what is believed, the contents of belief, the 'faith,...' a ground for 'faith,' an assurance,... a pledge of fidelity ..." (1985, "Faith," p. 222).

Infidelity—the absence of faithfulness—is a major cause of broken relationships, especially marriages. In any close relationship faithfulness and trust are vital. Most marriage ceremonies contain a statement from each party promising to be faithful to the other—often until death. Fulfilling such a promise involves each demonstrating faithfulness to the other by continual, loving actions.

If we all took this tact there wouldn't been anyone on this site. It’s the last posting for me as I am off to bed icon_twisted.gif
 

 

22nd Mar 2010 - 11:58pm
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Kaznkev wrote:

kentswingers777 wrote:

Kaznkev wrote:

Mr-Powers wrote:

Would this woman have recieved as much press coverage if she had refused an unmarried couple from staying at her hotel,probably not!...would anyone care...probably not ,but because its a gay couple "shock horror"...everyones outraged!


for once powers i have to agree with you, Jesus condemmed adultery and had no comment on homosexuality,the old testament also has more to say about pre marital sex than homosexuality,this is not christianity , its prejudice


But references about God say different.

http://www.gotquestions.org/homosexuality-Bible.html

Still my last comment on this subject.



The link has nothing to say about Jesus,you can argue that the Acts are inspired by the spirit,but inspiration is different from direct revelation,and that is even without getting into translation problems.And Jesus is God btw

The fact is that if Jesus had considered homosexuality that big an issue he would have commented on it.As he commented on bigotry,prejudice,racism,sexism greed and hatred

ohh a theological debate, pls dont say it your last word


This is not really the thread to start saying this or that about God....who was the Father of Jesus, so Jesus certainly was no God.

He was brought down to Earth as a mirror of man...by God.

You want to start another thread then by all means, but not really apt in this one. icon_lol.gif
 

 

23rd Mar 2010 - 12:26am
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Kaznkev wrote:


for once powers i have to agree with you, Jesus condemmed adultery and had no comment on homosexuality,the old testament also has more to say about pre marital sex than homosexuality,this is not christianity , its prejudice


I think the reason Jesus said nothing about homosexuality was that 'homosexual lifestyles" were virtually unknown in the Israel of his day. The Jewish laws on homosexuality prevented it from being a subject for discussion.
 

 

23rd Mar 2010 - 7:24am
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yipeeeee the media circus has really got hold of this now bbc news at ten last night


i don`t think there`s enough sever space for me to write just how happy i am about all the discrimination laws in place to protect everyone but me from me : slightly off subject sorry grrrrrrrrrr
 

 

23rd Mar 2010 - 7:58am
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kentswingers777 wrote:

Well now what a suprise. icon_wink.gif

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1259646/Gay-couple-turned-away-guest-house-owner-let-share-bed.html

The answers at the bottom of the story tell a story of their own.

Does a guest house come under the same jurisdiction as a hotel?

IF this woman is religious and it is against her beliefs,who is anyone to knock those beliefs?

The Catholic church is against as is the Muslim faith, and as the Anglican church, but they are currently debating the issue.

So obviously all Catholics are bigots as are many other faiths?

People are entitled to hold their religious beliefs, even if the law says otherwise?

Me? I would have just taken their money like anyone else.

maybe even charged them double eh? icon_wink.gif
 

 

23rd Mar 2010 - 8:10am
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sara-john wrote:

Kaznkev wrote:


for once powers i have to agree with you, Jesus condemmed adultery and had no comment on homosexuality,the old testament also has more to say about pre marital sex than homosexuality,this is not christianity , its prejudice


I think the reason Jesus said nothing about homosexuality was that 'homosexual lifestyles" were virtually unknown in the Israel of his day. The Jewish laws on homosexuality prevented it from being a subject for discussion.



Jesus felt no problem with breaking the laws surrounding cleanliness or observance of the Sabbath and made a point of being seen to do so,i must therefore disagree with you there.
 

 

23rd Mar 2010 - 12:39pm
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Now surely if we're including doG and Jebus in this debate, we should include the thoughts of the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny, for we are all equal these days. icon_lol.gif

I must admit I was unaware of the 2007 Act that forces acceptance on people - do the women-only B&B's know about this? Are the public 24 hour saunas now letting in 12 year-old boys?

But back to the B&B situation, how dare a white, heterosexual, married Christian couple try to stand up for their beliefs in 21st century Britain? Despicable and horrendous, oh mercy me! They should be given the harshest of all sentences comparative to the UK's modern judiciary - I'd say about 3 minutes each of community service, and damn the dastardly blaggards!!

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23rd Mar 2010 - 12:46pm
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23rd Mar 2010 - 9:21pm
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was this ever about the rights of gays

or about how much two fags could make out of being gay banghead.gif

sorry a gay friends words not mine bolt.gif
 

 

26th Mar 2010 - 12:07pm
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There is quite a bit of [employment] law on religion V [gay] Discrimination.

Of course, if she had refused them entry because she was "full" then this would not have been an issue. She refused them entry because they were gay, which is an offence.
She/they have the right to refuse service to anyone, where she/they went wrong was to state the particular reason for refusal.
If I go for a job, and they do not want old people, then refusing me the job because of my age would make that an offence....saying "we have enough applicants now" makes it legal !
Similarly: If I go for a job and they refuse me the job because of my sexual orientation [gay/straight/not-too-sure-maybe] then they have stepped over the line in respect of legality (and yes, many places now have sexual orientation on the forms).
They would still have been wrong to refuse entry if the couple were lesbians....but religion (as society) seems to have no problem with female/female relationships.
Ditto: Black/asian/chinese....
You get the meaning maybe ?
Either way....
 

 

26th Mar 2010 - 1:15pm
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That is all true JTS but....

IF she was already full they could have turned it around by saying they were only refused because they were gay?

It is the same as when people use the race card simply because they want their own way so use that as a means to an end.

Anyone who is discriminated against can use that old adage.

" you won't let me in because....I am black or gay or tall or fat ".

It happens all the time even when GENUINE reasons are the real reason.

Just a thought.
 

 

26th Mar 2010 - 3:36pm
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JTS once again I envy your knowledge and ability to express yourself. Cheers.
 
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