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Re: Safe Sex workers

30th Apr 2010 - 6:27pm
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Rob_hood wrote:

Kaznkev wrote:

So there is an important case today where a sex worker is being charged with Brothel keeping because she worked from home and shared the premises with other women,mainly so they all felt safer.

It seems the moralists who would police sex are at it again

http://www.prostitutescollective.net/Claire_Finch_Action_Alert.htm

I believe that this is the kind of action which will endanger sexworkers and is a complete waste of time and money.i think its time we changed the law in this country to reflect the fact it is human trafficking,age and consent that should be our primary concerns.




I totally agree with you.

Furthermore I would advocate the Nevada practice of legal 'Chicken Ranches ' located away from communitys.

It is often that these self styled 'Moralists' who hold such negative and narrow minded views about any aspect of sex being brought out in the open and dealt with sensibly reserve the right to have affairs behind their partner's back's'.

Bloody Hypocrites.


The trouble with the chicken ranch approach is that it privatizes the space available for prostitution - women can only work if they can afford to buy a large site and a licence, or if they agree to work for someone else.

I don't need planning permission to work from home, using my study. Why should a sex worker need planning permission to use her bedroom? By all means place limits on the number of women per property, or the number of visitors, but let's not put new legislative barriers in place.
 

 

1st May 2010 - 11:05am
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I agree that large organised brothels simply add another level of possible exploitation.Why should a sex worker have to keep him or herself hidden from "normal " people?The exchange of money for sex is hardly the worst thing that goes on in the world,but for a number of reasons it is treated as a crime.

Allowing small scale co operatives such as this woman was running seems the ideal solution to the very real problem of violence faced by sex workers.However there needs to be a change in attitude that women(and it is generally women)are capable of running their own lives.
 

 

1st May 2010 - 1:18pm
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Sex has been a hidden activity for along time. The law has in turn sort to condemn those that profit from sex and liberalise. The resort is, as someone said above, the law is buggered.

It is time for a new law to cover the whole subject sensibly.

It is not going to happen! There are two many people at both ends pulling. The best we will get is another screw up. Trying to please everyone and managing to please no one.

Travis
 

Re: Safe Sex workers

1st May 2010 - 2:12pm
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awayman wrote:

Rob_hood wrote:

Kaznkev wrote:

So there is an important case today where a sex worker is being charged with Brothel keeping because she worked from home and shared the premises with other women,mainly so they all felt safer.

It seems the moralists who would police sex are at it again

http://www.prostitutescollective.net/Claire_Finch_Action_Alert.htm

I believe that this is the kind of action which will endanger sexworkers and is a complete waste of time and money.i think its time we changed the law in this country to reflect the fact it is human trafficking,age and consent that should be our primary concerns.




I totally agree with you.

Furthermore I would advocate the Nevada practice of legal 'Chicken Ranches ' located away from communitys.

It is often that these self styled 'Moralists' who hold such negative and narrow minded views about any aspect of sex being brought out in the open and dealt with sensibly reserve the right to have affairs behind their partner's back's'.

Bloody Hypocrites.


The trouble with the chicken ranch approach is that it privatizes the space available for prostitution - women can only work if they can afford to buy a large site and a licence, or if they agree to work for someone else.

I don't need planning permission to work from home, using my study. Why should a sex worker need planning permission to use her bedroom? By all means place limits on the number of women per property, or the number of visitors, but let's not put new legislative barriers in place.


Inpossible to work, youi would face the "Not in my back yard" syndrome
 

Re: Safe Sex workers

1st May 2010 - 6:54pm
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Bluefish2009 wrote:

awayman wrote:

Rob_hood wrote:

Kaznkev wrote:

So there is an important case today where a sex worker is being charged with Brothel keeping because she worked from home and shared the premises with other women,mainly so they all felt safer.

It seems the moralists who would police sex are at it again

http://www.prostitutescollective.net/Claire_Finch_Action_Alert.htm

I believe that this is the kind of action which will endanger sexworkers and is a complete waste of time and money.i think its time we changed the law in this country to reflect the fact it is human trafficking,age and consent that should be our primary concerns.




I totally agree with you.

Furthermore I would advocate the Nevada practice of legal 'Chicken Ranches ' located away from communitys.

It is often that these self styled 'Moralists' who hold such negative and narrow minded views about any aspect of sex being brought out in the open and dealt with sensibly reserve the right to have affairs behind their partner's back's'.

Bloody Hypocrites.


The trouble with the chicken ranch approach is that it privatizes the space available for prostitution - women can only work if they can afford to buy a large site and a licence, or if they agree to work for someone else.

I don't need planning permission to work from home, using my study. Why should a sex worker need planning permission to use her bedroom? By all means place limits on the number of women per property, or the number of visitors, but let's not put new legislative barriers in place.


Inpossible to work, youi would face the "Not in my back yard" syndrome


Which sums up part of what is wrong with this country, that we allow people to pretend that their limited rights over they land they occupy extend to deciding what others should do with the land they occupy.
 

 

1st May 2010 - 7:34pm
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Many of the ways of sex working are already legalised. Although they operate under a facade
of either sauna/massage bars or escort agencies etc. The whole point being that any kind of sex work is entirely between the 2 people involved. Which remains discreet and
personal, and therefore no authority is involved in any aspect of that.

When authorities do intervene, it is where that discreet process is no longer in place and
likely to lead to illegal or criminal activities.

Its a compromise between everyone's human rights to privacy and allowing people to use
sex for work.

Its hard to say what the implications and effects would be by having so called
'state registered' brothels. So I wouldn't just think its something that would
immediately solve problems. I expect for a while it could threaten the idea of having them.
 

 

1st May 2010 - 8:59pm
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duncanlondon wrote:

Many of the ways of sex working are already legalised. Although they operate under a facade
of either sauna/massage bars or escort agencies etc. The whole point being that any kind of sex work is entirely between the 2 people involved. Which remains discreet and
personal, and therefore no authority is involved in any aspect of that.

When authorities do intervene, it is where that discreet process is no longer in place and
likely to lead to illegal or criminal activities.

Its a compromise between everyone's human rights to privacy and allowing people to use
sex for work.

Its hard to say what the implications and effects would be by having so called
'state registered' brothels. So I wouldn't just think its something that would
immediately solve problems. I expect for a while it could threaten the idea of having them.


i am afraid that the fact some operate under a facade that is see through does not make them legal.Prostitution itself,recieving money from someone for sexual services is legal.But as soon as 2 sex workers share a premises,it is illegal,no matter what they call the place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_United_Kingdom

There is no right to privacy in the eyes of the state in terms of sex acts they consider illegal,the state does not even recognise the importance of the issue of consent.
 

 

1st May 2010 - 9:57pm
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yeah i think most would agree with those facts.

i just don't know how well the changeover to a 'state' designed system would be. any ideas?
 

 

1st May 2010 - 10:52pm
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duncanlondon wrote:

yeah i think most would agree with those facts.

i just don't know how well the changeover to a 'state' designed system would be. any ideas?


i dont think it should be state controlled as it is in holland,simply that the law should be changed so woman are free to work together.State control would allow those who oppose sex work to put in to many regulations under the guise of "protection"
 

 

2nd May 2010 - 12:06am
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That would mean reinstating brothels to run openly, free of any pretence. that's how it used to be but it was decided to make that illegal. Do you think that would work again even in this era?
 
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