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3rd Aug 2010 - 7:09pm
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Bluefish2009 wrote:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/council-illegally-spied-on-family-during-row-over-catchment-area-2041684.html

A Council near to me,

This is a couple wrongly investigated for not living in the catchment area for the school they applied for.

I understand that it is perfectly reasonable for a council to investigate some one if they feel some one is deceiving them. What I am not sure about is, is it right for untrained council staff to undertake, undercover surveillance on people? Surely this is a job for professionals

Don't get me wrong, I would never support any one from outside the catchment area who attempted to steal a place from some one who lived within the catchment area, its total and morally wrong, but as I see it not yet a crime.

Perhaps the knowledgeable persons among us could shed some light please.


It was a crazy use of resources by a Tory controlled council who seemed to employ gung ho fantasists who'd watched too many episode sof the Bill.

But, and it's a big but, I don't know how you could solve the problem of the parents who routinely lie about where they live or what religion they are to get their kids into a particular school without doing some kind of physical check on where they live.

ROund here, for instance, I know of a mum who approached four families offering to pay their council tax for a year if she could use the bill to get her kid into the 'right' primary school...

Now, if she'd submitted that bill as evidence that she lived at address X, how does the council check if they suspect she's lying? Bear in mind I know of one family who 'live' on the same estate - in fact all their post goes to grandma's house, while they live in a flat elsewhere. How do you check up on this? Home visits? Surveillance? Data matching? The nutjobs who shriek big brother at every opportunity will be out, crying at the moon. Some of the self same nutjobs demand that exactly the same tactics are used to detect benefit cheats.

You've got to love Britain. You can get five years for killing a man and eight years for nicking a book. Go figure.

/rant

I'm glad I've got that off my chest.

 

3rd Aug 2010 - 7:20pm
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awayman wrote:

Bluefish2009 wrote:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/council-illegally-spied-on-family-during-row-over-catchment-area-2041684.html

A Council near to me,

This is a couple wrongly investigated for not living in the catchment area for the school they applied for.

I understand that it is perfectly reasonable for a council to investigate some one if they feel some one is deceiving them. What I am not sure about is, is it right for untrained council staff to undertake, undercover surveillance on people? Surely this is a job for professionals

Don't get me wrong, I would never support any one from outside the catchment area who attempted to steal a place from some one who lived within the catchment area, its total and morally wrong, but as I see it not yet a crime.

Perhaps the knowledgeable persons among us could shed some light please.


It was a crazy use of resources by a Tory controlled council who seemed to employ gung ho fantasists who'd watched too many episode sof the Bill.

But, and it's a big but, I don't know how you could solve the problem of the parents who routinely lie about where they live or what religion they are to get their kids into a particular school without doing some kind of physical check on where they live.

ROund here, for instance, I know of a mum who approached four families offering to pay their council tax for a year if she could use the bill to get her kid into the 'right' primary school...

Now, if she'd submitted that bill as evidence that she lived at address X, how does the council check if they suspect she's lying? Bear in mind I know of one family who 'live' on the same estate - in fact all their post goes to grandma's house, while they live in a flat elsewhere. How do you check up on this? Home visits? Surveillance? Data matching? The nutjobs who shriek big brother at every opportunity will be out, crying at the moon. Some of the self same nutjobs demand that exactly the same tactics are used to detect benefit cheats.

You've got to love Britain. You can get five years for killing a man and eight years for nicking a book. Go figure.

/rant

I'm glad I've got that off my chest.


But he was just so annoying i think the judge invented the crime of general twattery just for him!

i actually wanted to add another consequence of the scramble for school places,i know that house prices wouldnt be as horrific in the tyne valley villages if people didnt move soley to get close to the schools.

 

3rd Aug 2010 - 7:21pm
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A decent rant Awayman. And therein lies the rub - we would probably all agree that this sort of wrongdoing needs to be exposed and people punished, but how exactly do you gather evidence without carrying out some form of covert investigation? People won't just admit it. Dog shit on the streets is one of the biggest moans that people have - but how do you catch the offending owners, other than employing an army of dog wardens patrolling every single street - at great public expense - on the off chance they might witness it? In trying to tackle something which the great British public want, councils are once again castigated as spying busybodies interfering in our lives. Go figure.

 

3rd Aug 2010 - 7:22pm
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Bluefish2009 wrote:

Stevie J wrote:

easy wrote:

Just wanted to clarify that this is Ken's assumption based on the limited facts he has available to him and should not be regarded as accurate. icon_wink.gif


No surprise there - the same applies to each and every one of his posts... icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif


Do we really need personal insults dunno.gif


i do believe its called trolling blue but given another thread it seems to equate to inadequate dunno.gif

 

3rd Aug 2010 - 7:29pm
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awayman wrote:

Bluefish2009 wrote:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/council-illegally-spied-on-family-during-row-over-catchment-area-2041684.html

A Council near to me,

This is a couple wrongly investigated for not living in the catchment area for the school they applied for.

I understand that it is perfectly reasonable for a council to investigate some one if they feel some one is deceiving them. What I am not sure about is, is it right for untrained council staff to undertake, undercover surveillance on people? Surely this is a job for professionals

Don't get me wrong, I would never support any one from outside the catchment area who attempted to steal a place from some one who lived within the catchment area, its total and morally wrong, but as I see it not yet a crime.

Perhaps the knowledgeable persons among us could shed some light please.


It was a crazy use of resources by a Tory controlled council who seemed to employ gung ho fantasists who'd watched too many episode sof the Bill.

But, and it's a big but, I don't know how you could solve the problem of the parents who routinely lie about where they live or what religion they are to get their kids into a particular school without doing some kind of physical check on where they live.

Round here, for instance, I know of a mum who approached four families offering to pay their council tax for a year if she could use the bill to get her kid into the 'right' primary school...

Now, if she'd submitted that bill as evidence that she lived at address X, how does the council check if they suspect she's lying? Bear in mind I know of one family who 'live' on the same estate - in fact all their post goes to grandma's house, while they live in a flat elsewhere. How do you check up on this? Home visits? Surveillance? Data matching? The nutjobs who shriek big brother at every opportunity will be out, crying at the moon. Some of the self same nutjobs demand that exactly the same tactics are used to detect benefit cheats.

You've got to love Britain. You can get five years for killing a man and eight years for nicking a book. Go figure.

/rant

I'm glad I've got that off my chest.


On a personal level, I would be perfectly happy with a home visit and data matching.

But is a crime actually being committed? or just morally wrong?

I am possibly one of the persons likely to shriek big brother, but not under these circumstances. If I open an account, applied for driving licence, school place, etc, I expect to be checked. certain things we do are bound to invoke a response or some form of checks, that's life, but not followed and watched

 

3rd Aug 2010 - 8:03pm
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Bluefish2009 wrote:

Stevie J wrote:

easy wrote:

Just wanted to clarify that this is Ken's assumption based on the limited facts he has available to him and should not be regarded as accurate. icon_wink.gif


No surprise there - the same applies to each and every one of his posts... icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif


Do we really need personal insults dunno.gif


There lies the problem Blue.

I am at the moment easy pickings to some and it is usually me that gets the warnings.

I had one Mod telling me to stop bickering and take it to pm, and another saying not to, when I asked the other member to take it to pm....go figure.

When people hide behind an icon_lol.gif they think that is ok. I do that a lot and get picked up on it, but like the comment above, nothing will be said or done, unless I say it of course.

By all means say something like the comment above if there is also a valid response regarding the topic, but to just come in and say that and nothing else well......is that as some would say " a troll "?

It was a lot more than limited facts that I had, but worry not........I won't.

 

3rd Aug 2010 - 8:14pm
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i think with cuts on there way a lot of misguided loyalty will turn to anger and resentment

this will more than likely turn to whistle blowing on a scale we`ve never encountered the media will have a feast and the councils suffer an all time low

 

3rd Aug 2010 - 8:27pm
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Kaznkev wrote:

awayman wrote:

Bluefish2009 wrote:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/council-illegally-spied-on-family-during-row-over-catchment-area-2041684.html

A Council near to me,

This is a couple wrongly investigated for not living in the catchment area for the school they applied for.

I understand that it is perfectly reasonable for a council to investigate some one if they feel some one is deceiving them. What I am not sure about is, is it right for untrained council staff to undertake, undercover surveillance on people? Surely this is a job for professionals

Don't get me wrong, I would never support any one from outside the catchment area who attempted to steal a place from some one who lived within the catchment area, its total and morally wrong, but as I see it not yet a crime.

Perhaps the knowledgeable persons among us could shed some light please.


It was a crazy use of resources by a Tory controlled council who seemed to employ gung ho fantasists who'd watched too many episode sof the Bill.

But, and it's a big but, I don't know how you could solve the problem of the parents who routinely lie about where they live or what religion they are to get their kids into a particular school without doing some kind of physical check on where they live.

ROund here, for instance, I know of a mum who approached four families offering to pay their council tax for a year if she could use the bill to get her kid into the 'right' primary school...

Now, if she'd submitted that bill as evidence that she lived at address X, how does the council check if they suspect she's lying? Bear in mind I know of one family who 'live' on the same estate - in fact all their post goes to grandma's house, while they live in a flat elsewhere. How do you check up on this? Home visits? Surveillance? Data matching? The nutjobs who shriek big brother at every opportunity will be out, crying at the moon. Some of the self same nutjobs demand that exactly the same tactics are used to detect benefit cheats.

You've got to love Britain. You can get five years for killing a man and eight years for nicking a book. Go figure.

/rant

I'm glad I've got that off my chest.


But he was just so annoying i think the judge invented the crime of general twattery just for him!

i actually wanted to add another consequence of the scramble for school places,i know that house prices wouldnt be as horrific in the tyne valley villages if people didnt move solely to get close to the schools.


That is something which had never occurred to me, must a great boost for these schools to know they are so good that people will go to such lengths, and that they have an influence over local house prices

 

3rd Aug 2010 - 8:35pm
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there is an upside we live 300 yards from one of the best primary schools in kent

which keeps our house price inflated compared with a house outside the catchment area icon_wink.gif

 

3rd Aug 2010 - 9:43pm
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Lizaleanrob wrote:

there is an upside we live 300 yards from one of the best primary schools in kent

which keeps our house price inflated compared with a house outside the catchment area icon_wink.gif


Which in small villages sucks for people born and brought up here trying to start on the housing ladder.

 

3rd Aug 2010 - 9:55pm
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Kaznkev wrote:

Lizaleanrob wrote:

there is an upside we live 300 yards from one of the best primary schools in kent

which keeps our house price inflated compared with a house outside the catchment area icon_wink.gif


Which in small villages sucks for people born and brought up here trying to start on the housing ladder.


none of the houses in our immediate area are first time buyers kas in fact all but one of our neighbours are retired

 

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Kaznkev wrote:

Lizaleanrob wrote:

there is an upside we live 300 yards from one of the best primary schools in kent

which keeps our house price inflated compared with a house outside the catchment area icon_wink.gif


Which in small villages sucks for people born and brought up here trying to start on the housing ladder.


I was born and brought up in a small village in Dorset, there is not one of my pears who has been able to afford to buy their. I visit the village and having spent the fist 21 years of my life their, It is now full of stranger,s who live there but work miles away, very sad for village life.

 

3rd Aug 2010 - 10:07pm
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Bluefish2009 wrote:

Kaznkev wrote:

Lizaleanrob wrote:

there is an upside we live 300 yards from one of the best primary schools in kent

which keeps our house price inflated compared with a house outside the catchment area icon_wink.gif


Which in small villages sucks for people born and brought up here trying to start on the housing ladder.


I was born and brought up in a small village in Dorset, there is not one of my pears who has been able to afford to buy their. I visit the village and having spent the fist 21 years of my life their, It is now full of stranger,s who live there but work miles away, very sad for village life.


when purchased my first house it was no where near i had lived for that last 15 years with my parents as they was out of my reach
so it does seem the norm dunno.gif

 

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Lizaleanrob wrote:

Bluefish2009 wrote:

Kaznkev wrote:

Lizaleanrob wrote:

there is an upside we live 300 yards from one of the best primary schools in kent

which keeps our house price inflated compared with a house outside the catchment area icon_wink.gif


Which in small villages sucks for people born and brought up here trying to start on the housing ladder.


I was born and brought up in a small village in Dorset, there is not one of my pears who has been able to afford to buy their. I visit the village and having spent the fist 21 years of my life their, It is now full of stranger,s who live there but work miles away, very sad for village life.


when purchased my first house it was no where near i had lived for that last 15 years with my parents as they was out of my reach
so it does seem the norm dunno.gif


I think your quite right, I shall however return to country life though thumbup.gif

 

5th Aug 2010 - 8:10pm
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The sooner schools opt away from local Government control the better.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1300589/Parents-fury-town-hall-plans-halal-menus-schools.html


I cannot understand what the feck this has to do with the local authority....the school itself should make the decision, and not some jumped up twerp, who thinks it is a good idea.

Schools I hope in a few years time will no longer be held to ransom by councils, and that all schools will be able to make their own decisions without the interfering busy body do gooders at the local councils.

The comments at the bottom sum it up better than I could.

 

5th Aug 2010 - 8:17pm
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kentswingers777 wrote:

The sooner schools opt away from local Government control the better.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1300589/Parents-fury-town-hall-plans-halal-menus-schools.html


I cannot understand what the feck this has to do with the local authority....the school itself should make the decision, and not some jumped up twerp, who thinks it is a good idea.

Schools I hope in a few years time will no longer be held to ransom by councils, and that all schools will be able to make their own decisions without the interfering busy body do gooders at the local councils.

The comments at the bottom sum it up better than I could.


Your own story says it is not happening rotflmao.gif. Read the last paragraph.

Blinking heck Kenny you make me laugh

Dave_Notts

 

5th Aug 2010 - 8:23pm
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They are bound to say that now though Davey, after it hit the newspapers.

The power of the press eh? icon_wink.gif

Anyway it does not matter really, but what does matter is that this was SNEAKED in under the table in the hope to satisfy certain sections of the community, and for the councils to be seen to be pandering.

Well now it has made the news I am sure it will go no further....I bet the councils hate the press with a fashion.

 

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kentswingers777 wrote:

They are bound to say that now though Davey, after it hit the newspapers.



It was in the same report Kenny rotflmao.gif............so how can it be after it hit the newspapers

Dave_Notts

 

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Dave__Notts wrote:

kentswingers777 wrote:

They are bound to say that now though Davey, after it hit the newspapers.



It was in the same report Kenny rotflmao.gif............so how can it be after it hit the newspapers

Dave_Notts


Did not have you down as a sheep Davey........bah.bounce.gif

I may well change me name and me profile...that will confuse some on here....though that is usually easy to do.

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kentswingers777 wrote:

Dave__Notts wrote:

kentswingers777 wrote:

They are bound to say that now though Davey, after it hit the newspapers.



It was in the same report Kenny rotflmao.gif............so how can it be after it hit the newspapers

Dave_Notts


Did not have you down as a sheep Davey........bah.bounce.gif

I may well change me name and me profile...that will confuse some on here....though that is usually easy to do.

flipa.gif


Awwwww whats up Kenny. Just my pet name of endearment to you kiss.gif

Everyone else seems to call you Kent/Kenty/Ken so I am not a sheep but trend-setting icon_wink.gif

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