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26th Aug 2010 - 8:59pm
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Kaznkev wrote:

Apparently many American states are repealing simular laws because it has been realised stimgatising people` with Aids helps no one



"Apparently" being the Operative word here I presume?

 

26th Aug 2010 - 8:59pm
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Thanks for joining in dark and welcome to the SH forums.

It is a tuffie innit.

I'm still pondering.

The mismatch makes me feel uncomfortable, what's good for one life threatener ought to be good for the others.

 

26th Aug 2010 - 9:00pm
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darkest_desires wrote:

Bluefish2009 wrote:

Ben_welshminx wrote:

In the west HIV doesnt have a high mortality rate as it goes.

Flu in old folks homes does.


Once you have it, you have it for life, you do not get better! Which you may with flu

Flu is air-born, therefore indiscriminate, HIV need sexual contact

You could say 100% of HIV sufferers die


Purely for arguments sake - you could say 100% of all us die icon_smile.gif


Yes, that bit was supposed to be funny

 

26th Aug 2010 - 9:01pm
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darkest_desires wrote:

Kaznkev wrote:

Staggerlee_BB wrote:

Lizaleanrob wrote:

Staggerlee_BB wrote:

Again what purpose does criminalising this woman serve??....will it cure the hiv of the man she infected??will it prevent the further spread of the disease?? will it help others infected with hiv to be accepted in the world??....there is no positive to prosecuting her why waste the time and money doing so ??


other than it puts out a strong message to anyone else with aids

who may wish to have undisclosed and unprotected sex

and effectivlly shorten anothers life i cant see the point either


You really really honestly think the prosecution of this woman will prevent anyone in her position doing the same thing ??...I doubt it


Apparently many American states are repealing simular laws because it has been realised stimgatising people` with Aids helps no one


Stigmatising people with aids definitely helps no one - however making it illegal to pass it on to other people, with out reasonable consideration for their welfare almost certainly does


How do we legislate for foolishness though? Some on here seem determined to say this girl went out with the intent to spread disease.The fact that the gbh charges and assault charges were found not guilty says the German court agrees.She was only convicted of failure to inform her partners.

in edit ,oh and hello darkxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

26th Aug 2010 - 9:03pm
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Ben_welshminx wrote:

Thanks for joining in dark and welcome to the SH forums.

It is a tuffie innit.

I'm still pondering.

The mismatch makes me feel uncomfortable, what's good for one life threatener ought to be good for the others.


Dont agree Ben, to pass on HIV you have to have sexual encounters with some one, it is personal. flu is airborn.

 

26th Aug 2010 - 9:07pm
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Kaznkev wrote:

darkest_desires wrote:

Kaznkev wrote:

Staggerlee_BB wrote:

Lizaleanrob wrote:

Staggerlee_BB wrote:

Again what purpose does criminalising this woman serve??....will it cure the hiv of the man she infected??will it prevent the further spread of the disease?? will it help others infected with hiv to be accepted in the world??....there is no positive to prosecuting her why waste the time and money doing so ??


other than it puts out a strong message to anyone else with aids

who may wish to have undisclosed and unprotected sex

and effectivlly shorten anothers life i cant see the point either


You really really honestly think the prosecution of this woman will prevent anyone in her position doing the same thing ??...I doubt it


Apparently many American states are repealing simular laws because it has been realised stimgatising people` with Aids helps no one


Stigmatising people with aids definitely helps no one - however making it illegal to pass it on to other people, with out reasonable consideration for their welfare almost certainly does


How do we legislate for foolishness though? Some on here seem determined to say this girl went out with the intent to spread disease.The fact that the gbh charges and assault charges were found not guilty says the German court agrees.She was only convicted of failure to inform her partners.

in edit ,oh and hello darkxxxxxxxxxxxxx


Hello icon_smile.gif

Foolishness is fairly easy to legislate around - if you throw a brick at a window, expecting it to bounce back, but it smashes - then you've been foolish, but can still be done for criminal damage as a reasonable person would think it reckless to throw a brick at a window.
Sounds like the German laws are similar to ours in that you need intent for a charge of assault - so with my spitting example - you must be intending to spit in my face, not just spraying when talking !

 

26th Aug 2010 - 9:07pm
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Fair point blue.

I couldn't work out how a successful prosecution could be brought.

Turns out most accusations don't reach court because of the difficulty in proving that person A infected person B.

As usual the Terence Higgins Trust is a valuable resource.

http://www.tht.org.uk/informationresources/publications/gaymenshealthpromotion/criminalprosecutionofhivtransmissionssr0128802.pdf

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26th Aug 2010 - 9:12pm
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Kaznkev wrote:

darkest_desires wrote:

Kaznkev wrote:

Staggerlee_BB wrote:

Lizaleanrob wrote:

Staggerlee_BB wrote:

Again what purpose does criminalising this woman serve??....will it cure the hiv of the man she infected??will it prevent the further spread of the disease?? will it help others infected with hiv to be accepted in the world??....there is no positive to prosecuting her why waste the time and money doing so ??


other than it puts out a strong message to anyone else with aids

who may wish to have undisclosed and unprotected sex

and effectivlly shorten anothers life i cant see the point either


You really really honestly think the prosecution of this woman will prevent anyone in her position doing the same thing ??...I doubt it


Apparently many American states are repealing simular laws because it has been realised stimgatising people` with Aids helps no one


Stigmatising people with aids definitely helps no one - however making it illegal to pass it on to other people, with out reasonable consideration for their welfare almost certainly does


How do we legislate for foolishness though? Some on here seem determined to say this girl went out with the intent to spread disease.The fact that the gbh charges and assault charges were found not guilty says the German court agrees.She was only convicted of failure to inform her partners.

in edit ,oh and hello darkxxxxxxxxxxxxx


Nadja Benaissa, 28, was found guilty on one count of causing grievous bodily harm and two of attempted bodily harm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11097298

 

26th Aug 2010 - 9:15pm
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Bluefish2009 wrote:

Kaznkev wrote:

darkest_desires wrote:

Kaznkev wrote:

Staggerlee_BB wrote:

Lizaleanrob wrote:

Staggerlee_BB wrote:

Again what purpose does criminalising this woman serve??....will it cure the hiv of the man she infected??will it prevent the further spread of the disease?? will it help others infected with hiv to be accepted in the world??....there is no positive to prosecuting her why waste the time and money doing so ??


other than it puts out a strong message to anyone else with aids

who may wish to have undisclosed and unprotected sex

and effectivlly shorten anothers life i cant see the point either


You really really honestly think the prosecution of this woman will prevent anyone in her position doing the same thing ??...I doubt it


Apparently many American states are repealing simular laws because it has been realised stimgatising people` with Aids helps no one


Stigmatising people with aids definitely helps no one - however making it illegal to pass it on to other people, with out reasonable consideration for their welfare almost certainly does


How do we legislate for foolishness though? Some on here seem determined to say this girl went out with the intent to spread disease.The fact that the gbh charges and assault charges were found not guilty says the German court agrees.She was only convicted of failure to inform her partners.

in edit ,oh and hello darkxxxxxxxxxxxxx


Nadja Benaissa, 28, was found guilty on one count of causing grievous bodily harm and two of attempted bodily harm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11097298


Ty blue,thats what comes of reading things in the mmorning,,it only mentioned her failure to inform.

 

26th Aug 2010 - 9:53pm
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According to Wiki, up to 21st April 2006, there had been 7 convictions in England and Wales for the sexual transmission of HIV and a further one in Scotland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_transmission_of_HIV

 

26th Aug 2010 - 10:04pm
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Well, that's settled then

 

26th Aug 2010 - 10:06pm
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Bluefish2009 wrote:

Well, that's settled then



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26th Aug 2010 - 10:07pm
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All done and dusted......the courts decided she was guilty as charged.

Rightly so too.

 

26th Aug 2010 - 10:56pm
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Well, well, well.

I've been out most of the afternoon and have come back to read an absolutely fabulous thread in CA conducted in the very best traditions of SH with very valuable contributions from all sides of the divide (including a newbie who hasn't been slapped down but welcomed) and not a hint of venom!

I shall sleep a very happy man tonight!

and I've been educated along the way...

It really feels like the effort I made on my morning post was well and truly worth it!

Thanks all!

 

26th Aug 2010 - 10:59pm
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GnV wrote:

Well, well, well.

I've been out most of the afternoon and have come back to read an absolutely fabulous thread in CA conducted in the very best traditions of SH with very valuable contributions from all sides of the divide (including a newbie who hasn't been slapped down but welcomed) and not a hint of venom!

I shall sleep a very happy man tonight!

and I've been educated along the way...

It really feels like the effort I made on my morning post was well and truly worth it!

Thanks all!


na just too much vino today for you gnv
so when you wake up in the morning with a sore head it all look like shit again

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