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31st Aug 2010 - 9:01pm
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i,ve read most of this with some interest. however as someone who doesn.t advocate drug use(having lost family and friends to drink and drugs) we need to not miss the point.

currently the drugs trade accounts forabout 3% of world trade! yup something bill gates would soil himself for. however it ffers little to the economies it effects. more or less all heroin in the uk is afghan, grown by the taliban or familes forced to by them. most of our cocaine from south america where again warlords use it to fund their own principailities again more or less forcing growers.
hold this for a sec.

legalisation brings many benefits. firstly decriminalisation. so no costs to the criminal justice system. if available in a regulated manner like a measured dose of alcohol like when you go for a beer then you get rid of our own home grown gangsters and the violence ythat goes with it. anyone wishing to try it would get the REAL facts and make a choice based on fact. not what their mates say.

i.d make heroin free as it would probably be more cost effective thsn the current system. you.d have all the savings frm the criminal justice system to pay for it. insurance premiums would come down as most burglaries and thefts from cars are to fund drug use;85% of peeps in prison are for drug related aquisitive crime. you.d also have a safer community as police would be able to policing communities and getting to know them. and prrisons would be virtually empty!



we don't need a police state we need an open and honest frank debate on policy. We need people to read more than just a sun headline. Ifc fags and beer were discovered tomorrow they would be illegal. A drug is a drug regardless of whther it falls in a legal framework or not! This is about social responsibility not who are scum and who are not. Ask anyone with a drug problem and after you have cut throough the bravado they are not proud nor do they thinkit clever and they would give their right armnot to be an addict...and some do

ask a smoker how many times they have tried to give up. prohibition only creates a sub culture of cool to the vulnerable its time to deal withthis honestly. Unfortunately because most people have no idea of the real situation this will be a political hot potato for a good whilel yet.

Would you vote for someone saying review the system and look at legalisation/decriminalisation as a real option?

Until we do we itzs gonna get worse before it gets better.

Until then we need to educate our young people the good and thr bad and hope thst common sense prevails


spot on. unfortunately ignorance and politics (are they one and the same??) mean that this will be a very difficult proposition to sell to the general public as a workable policy. Too much ignorance and hysteria around unfortunately. But I agree with you 100%. We simply associate drugs and crime so closely that it is inconceivable that drugs and crime could possibly be separated but they could - as you have said - with vision, courage and a will to try something different to the policies that have been failing for 40+ years.

 

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Haha! laughabove.giflaughabove.giflaughabove.gif So does cocaine



If ya get a dodgy batch it could actually be baking powder............fancy putting that up ya nose. icon_twisted.gif


Not going to read a thread that has gone 7 pages in one day. Its a subject I know quite a lot already and have had all of the debates 100 times over.

Anyway, I got as far as the above quote. Interesting point although its a joke. Lots of cannabis smokers will be getting serious lung diseases in the future at a good cost to the NHS I expect. Sadly it wont be the cannabis thats given them the lung diseases rather the plastic, dirty oil, tar, and human shit it gets mixed with during the dilution for greater profits. One good point of legalizing cannabis is you wont be selling human shit to smoke from behind a shop counter.

Banning of drugs is pointless and does not work as proved by .... history. Its about as effective as banning prostitution. Educate, legalize, and ....... tax icon_lol.gif

 

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Too Hot wrote:

lickmidick2002 wrote:

i,ve read most of this with some interest. however as someone who doesn.t advocate drug use(having lost family and friends to drink and drugs) we need to not miss the point.

currently the drugs trade accounts forabout 3% of world trade! yup something bill gates would soil himself for. however it ffers little to the economies it effects. more or less all heroin in the uk is afghan, grown by the taliban or familes forced to by them. most of our cocaine from south america where again warlords use it to fund their own principailities again more or less forcing growers.
hold this for a sec.

legalisation brings many benefits. firstly decriminalisation. so no costs to the criminal justice system. if available in a regulated manner like a measured dose of alcohol like when you go for a beer then you get rid of our own home grown gangsters and the violence ythat goes with it. anyone wishing to try it would get the REAL facts and make a choice based on fact. not what their mates say.

i.d make heroin free as it would probably be more cost effective thsn the current system. you.d have all the savings frm the criminal justice system to pay for it. insurance premiums would come down as most burglaries and thefts from cars are to fund drug use;85% of peeps in prison are for drug related aquisitive crime. you.d also have a safer community as police would be able to policing communities and getting to know them. and prrisons would be virtually empty!



we don't need a police state we need an open and honest frank debate on policy. We need people to read more than just a sun headline. Ifc fags and beer were discovered tomorrow they would be illegal. A drug is a drug regardless of whther it falls in a legal framework or not! This is about social responsibility not who are scum and who are not. Ask anyone with a drug problem and after you have cut throough the bravado they are not proud nor do they thinkit clever and they would give their right armnot to be an addict...and some do

ask a smoker how many times they have tried to give up. prohibition only creates a sub culture of cool to the vulnerable its time to deal withthis honestly. Unfortunately because most people have no idea of the real situation this will be a political hot potato for a good whilel yet.

Would you vote for someone saying review the system and look at legalisation/decriminalisation as a real option?

Until we do we itzs gonna get worse before it gets better.

Until then we need to educate our young people the good and thr bad and hope thst common sense prevails


spot on. unfortunately ignorance and politics (are they one and the same??) mean that this will be a very difficult proposition to sell to the general public as a workable policy. Too much ignorance and hysteria around unfortunately. But I agree with you 100%. We simply associate drugs and crime so closely that it is inconceivable that drugs and crime could possibly be separated but they could - as you have said - with vision, courage and a will to try something different to the policies that have been failing for 40+ years.


Very valid points indeed, sadley some here are too quick to label those who may have taken a wrong turn in life as Junkies and criminals.

 

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awayman wrote:

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thanks for the comments

i think we need to remember that all our medical morphine also comes from afghan, the difference being we would just use more and the money would go to the growers...fair trade smack if you like.

the same goes with cocaine....

the money?

easy it takes around 1500 a week to keep someone in jail...and the cost to the economy...and yes it a long way off.

and as for the production no they wouldn't like it but what option do they have? without the funds they can't buy guns or pay to train militia.

idealist it may be, but i thought it was just a little different to add to the discussion, people will always make up their own mind but the fact remains current legislation ain't working here or abroad.

the only countries who are even beginning to make a difference are those who have liberalised the law and looked for a new way forward...check out canada, sweden and holland is now going that way too.

oh and we already grow our medicinal coca


B ut in order to keep the criminals at bay we'd still have to have the same enforcement mechanisms and rules and regs that we have now, and we'd still have to criminalize possession with intent to supply illegal drugs.

And we'd still have junkies who can't afford their fix.

I fully appreciate your sincerity; I'm just not persuaded by the argument that all the downsides of the drugs trade will go away if we let respectable junkies get their stocks at Boots.


But heroin was available at Boots or the equivalent before 1968,and it was less of a problem than it is now.i agree the fact we have followed the failed path of prohibition complicates things,one only has to look at the ban on alochol in the US,but big problems demand radical solutions.

 

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Very valid points indeed, sadley some here are too quick to label those who may have taken a wrong turn in life as Junkies and criminals.


Welcome to the world of swinging, where minds aren't always open and judges are always mental! icon_wink.gif

 

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Dirtygirly wrote:

Bluefish2009 wrote:



Very valid points indeed, sadley some here are too quick to label those who may have taken a wrong turn in life as Junkies and criminals.


Welcome to the world of swinging, where minds aren't always open and judges are always mental! icon_wink.gif


And it's a world where people write absolute bollocks about things they know little or nothing about, then post the first link they find that agrees with their point of view, without researching any further (not you DG, I hasten to add!)

The fact is, 100's of thousands, possibly millions of people around the world use marijuana, and benefit greatly from it, both medically and recreationally. These people may have a spliff in the evening to wind down after a hard day at work, maybe a few at the weekend and it has no bad overall effect on them whatsoever. The after-effects and residual blood traces dissipate far quicker than alcohol consumption, with no hang-over. These people don't go out mugging to feed their habit - they work for the money they spend. You won't find them fighting inside kebab shops or causing any trouble to anybody. You will find amongst them scholars, academics, artists, poets, and great lovers.
Here's one final statistic - the vast majority of classical artists, DaVinci, Botticelli, Van Gogh, Degas, Monet etc. were all marijuana users. I think out lives would be a lot shabbier without the legacy left by these great painters.

 

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Very well put! thumbup.gif

 

1st Sep 2010 - 6:48pm
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ForestFunsters wrote:

Dirtygirly wrote:

Bluefish2009 wrote:



Very valid points indeed, sadley some here are too quick to label those who may have taken a wrong turn in life as Junkies and criminals.


Welcome to the world of swinging, where minds aren't always open and judges are always mental! icon_wink.gif


And it's a world where people write absolute bollocks about things they know little or nothing about, then post the first link they find that agrees with their point of view, without researching any further (not you DG, I hasten to add!)

The fact is, 100's of thousands, possibly millions of people around the world use marijuana, and benefit greatly from it, both medically and recreationally. These people may have a spliff in the evening to wind down after a hard day at work, maybe a few at the weekend and it has no bad overall effect on them whatsoever. The after-effects and residual blood traces dissipate far quicker than alcohol consumption, with no hang-over. These people don't go out mugging to feed their habit - they work for the money they spend. You won't find them fighting inside kebab shops or causing any trouble to anybody. You will find amongst them scholars, academics, artists, poets, and great lovers.
Here's one final statistic - the vast majority of classical artists, DaVinci, Botticelli, Van Gogh, Degas, Monet etc. were all marijuana users. I think out lives would be a lot shabbier without the legacy left by these great painters.


nicely write ff

and i might be swayed if i hadn't seen the affects it's had on some very witty .intelligent and generally fun people

its fine for those who grow out of it and good life experience for those that try it
but incredibly sad for those who become entrapped by it

just my own experience

 

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Lizaleanrob wrote:

ForestFunsters wrote:

Dirtygirly wrote:

Bluefish2009 wrote:



Very valid points indeed, sadley some here are too quick to label those who may have taken a wrong turn in life as Junkies and criminals.


Welcome to the world of swinging, where minds aren't always open and judges are always mental! icon_wink.gif


And it's a world where people write absolute bollocks about things they know little or nothing about, then post the first link they find that agrees with their point of view, without researching any further (not you DG, I hasten to add!)

The fact is, 100's of thousands, possibly millions of people around the world use marijuana, and benefit greatly from it, both medically and recreationally. These people may have a spliff in the evening to wind down after a hard day at work, maybe a few at the weekend and it has no bad overall effect on them whatsoever. The after-effects and residual blood traces dissipate far quicker than alcohol consumption, with no hang-over. These people don't go out mugging to feed their habit - they work for the money they spend. You won't find them fighting inside kebab shops or causing any trouble to anybody. You will find amongst them scholars, academics, artists, poets, and great lovers.
Here's one final statistic - the vast majority of classical artists, DaVinci, Botticelli, Van Gogh, Degas, Monet etc. were all marijuana users. I think out lives would be a lot shabbier without the legacy left by these great painters.


nicely write ff

and i might be swayed if i hadn't seen the affects it's had on some very witty .intelligent and generally fun people

its fine for those who grow out of it and good life experience for those that try it
but incredibly sad for those who become entrapped by it

just my own experience


i have to second that Rob.

http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/full/187/6/510

This second article is excellent.

http://www.catalystmedia.org.uk/issues/nerve7/blowing_our_minds.htm

The fact is that when Frank,the anti drugs campaign was being planned the advisors wanted to say one thing about skunk.If your family has a history of mental illness please,dont touch the stuff.

i know that when it comes the time to talk to my boys about drugs i will tell them that with my history of depression they are playing russian roulette with their mental health if they smoke skunk.

 

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nicely write ff

and i might be swayed if i hadn't seen the affects it's had on some very witty .intelligent and generally fun people

its fine for those who grow out of it and good life experience for those that try it
but incredibly sad for those who become entrapped by it

just my own experience



True Rob....but the same holds true for alcohol,gambling and any number of other addictive behaviours. The question remains is legislation or information the answer? I have to fall on the side of information..prohibition hasn't and doesn't work,it just criminalises vast swathes of otherwise law abiding citizens and fills the pockets of those who would exploit them

 

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ForestFunsters wrote:

Dirtygirly wrote:

Bluefish2009 wrote:



Very valid points indeed, sadley some here are too quick to label those who may have taken a wrong turn in life as Junkies and criminals.


Welcome to the world of swinging, where minds aren't always open and judges are always mental! icon_wink.gif


And it's a world where people write absolute bollocks about things they know little or nothing about, then post the first link they find that agrees with their point of view, without researching any further (not you DG, I hasten to add!)

The fact is, 100's of thousands, possibly millions of people around the world use marijuana, and benefit greatly from it, both medically and recreationally. These people may have a spliff in the evening to wind down after a hard day at work, maybe a few at the weekend and it has no bad overall effect on them whatsoever. The after-effects and residual blood traces dissipate far quicker than alcohol consumption, with no hang-over. These people don't go out mugging to feed their habit - they work for the money they spend. You won't find them fighting inside kebab shops or causing any trouble to anybody. You will find amongst them scholars, academics, artists, poets, and great lovers.
Here's one final statistic - the vast majority of classical artists, DaVinci, Botticelli, Van Gogh, Degas, Monet etc. were all marijuana users. I think out lives would be a lot shabbier without the legacy left by these great painters.



And Hitler was a cocaine user.........your point? icon_lol.gif

 

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ForestFunsters wrote:

Dirtygirly wrote:

Bluefish2009 wrote:



Very valid points indeed, sadley some here are too quick to label those who may have taken a wrong turn in life as Junkies and criminals.


Welcome to the world of swinging, where minds aren't always open and judges are always mental! icon_wink.gif


And it's a world where people write absolute bollocks about things they know little or nothing about, then post the first link they find that agrees with their point of view, without researching any further (not you DG, I hasten to add!)

The fact is, 100's of thousands, possibly millions of people around the world use marijuana, and benefit greatly from it, both medically and recreationally. These people may have a spliff in the evening to wind down after a hard day at work, maybe a few at the weekend and it has no bad overall effect on them whatsoever. The after-effects and residual blood traces dissipate far quicker than alcohol consumption, with no hang-over. These people don't go out mugging to feed their habit - they work for the money they spend. You won't find them fighting inside kebab shops or causing any trouble to anybody. You will find amongst them scholars, academics, artists, poets, and great lovers.
Here's one final statistic - the vast majority of classical artists, DaVinci, Botticelli, Van Gogh, Degas, Monet etc. were all marijuana users. I think out lives would be a lot shabbier without the legacy left by these great painters.


ah yes

they do

well not me from 16 -21 i did the lot and i mean every thing

i got to 21 realised the world didn't owe me a living got of my arse and left the lot behind
so just let me know what sort of high you want to discuss, acid's a good starting point don't you think or should we do the mushrooms first icon_wink.gif

 

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Lizaleanrob wrote:

ForestFunsters wrote:

Dirtygirly wrote:

Bluefish2009 wrote:



Very valid points indeed, sadley some here are too quick to label those who may have taken a wrong turn in life as Junkies and criminals.


Welcome to the world of swinging, where minds aren't always open and judges are always mental! icon_wink.gif


And it's a world where people write absolute bollocks about things they know little or nothing about, then post the first link they find that agrees with their point of view, without researching any further (not you DG, I hasten to add!)

The fact is, 100's of thousands, possibly millions of people around the world use marijuana, and benefit greatly from it, both medically and recreationally. These people may have a spliff in the evening to wind down after a hard day at work, maybe a few at the weekend and it has no bad overall effect on them whatsoever. The after-effects and residual blood traces dissipate far quicker than alcohol consumption, with no hang-over. These people don't go out mugging to feed their habit - they work for the money they spend. You won't find them fighting inside kebab shops or causing any trouble to anybody. You will find amongst them scholars, academics, artists, poets, and great lovers.
Here's one final statistic - the vast majority of classical artists, DaVinci, Botticelli, Van Gogh, Degas, Monet etc. were all marijuana users. I think out lives would be a lot shabbier without the legacy left by these great painters.


ah yes

they do

well not me from 16 -21 i did the lot and i mean every thing

i got to 21 realised the world didn't owe me a living got of my arse and left the lot behind
so just let me know what sort of high you want to discuss, acid's a good starting point don't you think or should we do the mushrooms first icon_wink.gif


Ah, so you're an ex-user then? That explains a lot icon_lol.gif

 

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ForestFunsters wrote:

Lizaleanrob wrote:

ForestFunsters wrote:

Dirtygirly wrote:

Bluefish2009 wrote:



Very valid points indeed, sadley some here are too quick to label those who may have taken a wrong turn in life as Junkies and criminals.


Welcome to the world of swinging, where minds aren't always open and judges are always mental! icon_wink.gif


And it's a world where people write absolute bollocks about things they know little or nothing about, then post the first link they find that agrees with their point of view, without researching any further (not you DG, I hasten to add!)

The fact is, 100's of thousands, possibly millions of people around the world use marijuana, and benefit greatly from it, both medically and recreationally. These people may have a spliff in the evening to wind down after a hard day at work, maybe a few at the weekend and it has no bad overall effect on them whatsoever. The after-effects and residual blood traces dissipate far quicker than alcohol consumption, with no hang-over. These people don't go out mugging to feed their habit - they work for the money they spend. You won't find them fighting inside kebab shops or causing any trouble to anybody. You will find amongst them scholars, academics, artists, poets, and great lovers.
Here's one final statistic - the vast majority of classical artists, DaVinci, Botticelli, Van Gogh, Degas, Monet etc. were all marijuana users. I think out lives would be a lot shabbier without the legacy left by these great painters.


ah yes

they do

well not me from 16 -21 i did the lot and i mean every thing

i got to 21 realised the world didn't owe me a living got of my arse and left the lot behind
so just let me know what sort of high you want to discuss, acid's a good starting point don't you think or should we do the mushrooms first icon_wink.gif


Ah, so you're an ex-user then? That explains a lot icon_lol.gif


it does including knowing what i'm saying from experience so much better than blind ignorance don't you think icon_wink.gif

 

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Now,now stop bickering .....me and Kenny are covering that this week

 

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Lizaleanrob wrote:

ForestFunsters wrote:

Lizaleanrob wrote:

ForestFunsters wrote:

Dirtygirly wrote:

Bluefish2009 wrote:



Very valid points indeed, sadley some here are too quick to label those who may have taken a wrong turn in life as Junkies and criminals.


Welcome to the world of swinging, where minds aren't always open and judges are always mental! icon_wink.gif


And it's a world where people write absolute bollocks about things they know little or nothing about, then post the first link they find that agrees with their point of view, without researching any further (not you DG, I hasten to add!)

The fact is, 100's of thousands, possibly millions of people around the world use marijuana, and benefit greatly from it, both medically and recreationally. These people may have a spliff in the evening to wind down after a hard day at work, maybe a few at the weekend and it has no bad overall effect on them whatsoever. The after-effects and residual blood traces dissipate far quicker than alcohol consumption, with no hang-over. These people don't go out mugging to feed their habit - they work for the money they spend. You won't find them fighting inside kebab shops or causing any trouble to anybody. You will find amongst them scholars, academics, artists, poets, and great lovers.
Here's one final statistic - the vast majority of classical artists, DaVinci, Botticelli, Van Gogh, Degas, Monet etc. were all marijuana users. I think out lives would be a lot shabbier without the legacy left by these great painters.


ah yes

they do

well not me from 16 -21 i did the lot and i mean every thing

i got to 21 realised the world didn't owe me a living got of my arse and left the lot behind
so just let me know what sort of high you want to discuss, acid's a good starting point don't you think or should we do the mushrooms first icon_wink.gif


Ah, so you're an ex-user then? That explains a lot icon_lol.gif


it does including knowing what i'm saying from experience so much better than blind ignorance don't you think icon_wink.gif


I agree completely; so what are your medical qualifications? Are you assuming that I have no clinical or empirical knowledge of these substances? You are very, very wrong my friend.

 

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I agree completely; so what are your medical qualifications? Are you assuming that I have no clinical or empirical knowledge of these substances? You are very, very wrong my friend.


i wasn't the one doing the implying was i

but statements proclaiming genius of century's gone by where drug users could be equally applied to the drink absinthe

i don't just read the links that suit my arguments i have a life study of users who are still friends (about 20 of them )over 25 odd years

and not one i add who can paint a master piece in fact i do believe that their idea of a master piece involves 3 rizla papers and a piece of card

i must admit i have no medical expertise but then nor do my children who often sit in the garden with us and the odd friend (user)that comes round

but they always say the same comment "jeeze is that guys screwed in the head or what "

 

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Now,now stop bickering .....me and Kenny are covering that this week


Well you are at least trying too. icon_lol.gif

Not up to my standards yet old boy.giggle.gifgiggle.gif

 

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Staggerlee_BB wrote:

Now,now stop bickering .....me and Kenny are covering that this week


Well you are at least trying too. icon_lol.gif

Not up to my standards yet old boy.giggle.gifgiggle.gif


Standards ????

 

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please people does it matter who has clinical knowledge????

this is a debate/discussion not intellectual wanking!!!!

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