Bluefish2009 wrote:
I do not think either side can hold the morral high ground, I can only tell you the stickers lost the support of much of the country with the under hand tack ticks that they employed.
What makes me chuckle is the fact that one side of the story is is whiter than white and the other is all made up by the media and some conspiracy theory. By the end of the strike, the miners had virtually no media support, and that was plain and simple down to them and their miss-guided tack ticks, not a conspiracy.
s3xyl3xy wrote:
I think the key words here are "varied greatly in different regions" Take a poll one day in one place and you will get one lot of responses, do the same thing again the next day somewhere else and get something different altogether.
The incident with the taxi driver was horrendous and those two men deserved to go to jail, but that was just two men out of all the striking miners and what do the media do, they milk it for all it's worth. If anything swayed public opinion it was the planting of the false stories about Scargill apparently being funded Colonel Gadafi! The story was planted in the Mirror and it was well known that Maxwell hated Scargill with a vengeance. It was decided by MI5 that planting the story in a "Labour" sympathetic paper would without doubt add to its credibility.
Dame Stella Rimington (Director-General of MI5, 1992 -- 1996) published an autobiography in 2001 in which she revealed MI5 'counter-subversion' exercises against the NUM and the striking miners.
Bluefish2009 wrote:
Only at the start
*QUOTE* Public opinion during the strike was divided and varied greatly in different regions. When asked in a Gallup poll in July 1984 whether their sympathies lay mainly with the employers or the miners, 40% said employers; 33% were for the miners; 19% were for neither and 8% did not know. When asked the same question during 5--10 December 1984, 51% had most sympathy for the employers; 26% for the miners; 18% for neither and 5% did not know.[27] When asked in July 1984 whether they approved or disapproved of the methods used by the miners, 15% approved; 79% disapproved and 6% did not know. When asked the same question during 5--10 December 1984, 7% approved; 88% disapproved and 5% did not know.[27] In July 1984, when asked whether they thought the miners were using responsible or irresponsible methods, 12% said responsible; 78% said irresponsible and 10% did not know. When asked the same question in August 1984, 9% said responsible; 84% said irresponsible and 7% did not know.
A taxi driver, David Wilkie, was killed on 30 November 1984. He had been taking a non-striking miner to work in the Merthyr Vale Colliery, South Wales when two striking miners dropped a concrete post onto his car from a road bridge above. He died at the scene. The two miners served a prison sentence for manslaughter.
From here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_miners%27_strike_%281984%E2%80%931985%29
And as I said earlier, due the these and other reasons the country lost sympathy's with the strikers.
Only at the start
*QUOTE* Public opinion during the strike was divided and varied greatly in different regions. When asked in a Gallup poll in July 1984 whether their sympathies lay mainly with the employers or the miners, 40% said employers; 33% were for the miners; 19% were for neither and 8% did not know. When asked the same question during 5--10 December 1984, 51% had most sympathy for the employers; 26% for the miners; 18% for neither and 5% did not know.[27] When asked in July 1984 whether they approved or disapproved of the methods used by the miners, 15% approved; 79% disapproved and 6% did not know. When asked the same question during 5--10 December 1984, 7% approved; 88% disapproved and 5% did not know.[27] In July 1984, when asked whether they thought the miners were using responsible or irresponsible methods, 12% said responsible; 78% said irresponsible and 10% did not know. When asked the same question in August 1984, 9% said responsible; 84% said irresponsible and 7% did not know.
A taxi driver, David Wilkie, was killed on 30 November 1984. He had been taking a non-striking miner to work in the Merthyr Vale Colliery, South Wales when two striking miners dropped a concrete post onto his car from a road bridge above. He died at the scene. The two miners served a prison sentence for manslaughter.
From here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_miners%27_strike_%281984%E2%80%931985%29
And as I said earlier, due the these and other reasons the country lost sympathy's with the strikers.
I think the key words here are "varied greatly in different regions" Take a poll one day in one place and you will get one lot of responses, do the same thing again the next day somewhere else and get something different altogether.
The incident with the taxi driver was horrendous and those two men deserved to go to jail, but that was just two men out of all the striking miners and what do the media do, they milk it for all it's worth. If anything swayed public opinion it was the planting of the false stories about Scargill apparently being funded Colonel Gadafi! The story was planted in the Mirror and it was well known that Maxwell hated Scargill with a vengeance. It was decided by MI5 that planting the story in a "Labour" sympathetic paper would without doubt add to its credibility.
Dame Stella Rimington (Director-General of MI5, 1992 -- 1996) published an autobiography in 2001 in which she revealed MI5 'counter-subversion' exercises against the NUM and the striking miners.
I do not think either side can hold the morral high ground, I can only tell you the stickers lost the support of much of the country with the under hand tack ticks that they employed.
What makes me chuckle is the fact that one side of the story is is whiter than white and the other is all made up by the media and some conspiracy theory. By the end of the strike, the miners had virtually no media support, and that was plain and simple down to them and their miss-guided tack ticks, not a conspiracy.
I don't think anyone has made any such claim....other than those against the strike..I've said it was badly managed and the violence from both sides was wrong..awayman has made similar comments..as has s3xy...the only ones claiming any kind of moral high ground it would appear are you and Ken....
