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29th Aug 2010 - 9:23am
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kentswingers777 wrote:

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Incidentally, you're doing a neat job of ad hominem evasion, attacking me to ignore the fact that your crass point about miners in South Wales ignores the fact that there were miners in more places than just South Wales. I picketed with guys from Kent, Scotland, Durham, Northumberland, South Wales, North Wales and Staffordshire...



What I love about this site is that it seems there is nothing someone has not done, or nothing that if they have not done it they know someone who did. Blimey I bet if we did a thread on people walking in space, I am sure someone here would have done it, or know someone that did...........interesting indeedy.

The miners strike was 1984-1985, your age is 44 apparently cos I had a little gander. Now that in my book would make you a very young man when the strike started.

I find it strange how a young man would go the width and breadth of England, to support the miners. An odd one for a young man to do who is not a miner. Still you were probably at the Poll tax riots too. See what higher education can do? icon_lol.gif

AnyWAY the thread was not about you, but as usual you come in make out your an expert in the subject.

My points were labeled at Scargill which are fact, and the miners were defeated....fact. The NUM is finished..........fact. So I am somewhat confused by your comment......

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you appear to know fuck all about the things of which you speak.


I seem to know a fair bit actually, but not as much as someone who was there, picketing and intimidating, obviously.

If you would like to enlighten me as to what I know " fuck all about " I would be really interested.


Did I ever tell you about me and my mate Buz


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29th Aug 2010 - 9:26am
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You have to admit Blue it does seem to be the case. icon_lol.gif

 

29th Aug 2010 - 9:40am
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Bluefish2009 wrote:


Did I ever tell you about me and my mate Buz


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That's some fucking condom he got there in his helmet giggle.gif

 

29th Aug 2010 - 9:45am
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awayman wrote:

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that's a very humble home he has there for someone who is a devoted socialist icon_wink.gif


Yes worth a few bob Rob. Certainly much humbler abode than the miners, who were living in the Welsh valleys in very basic homes.

No different to today's union big wigs.

I wonder what the Mother of all Socialists house is like? Prescott the new Lord. icon_lol.gif


Mind you though Blair has a lovely nice new portfolio of houses now too.

Ah the Socialists dream of equality for all eh? As long as nobody has what they have...what a bunch of two faced hypocrites.

Sleep tight Arthur. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

I picketed in Kent, with Kent miners. As usual, you appear to know fuck all about the things of which you speak.


must have been scary seeing this lot come round the corner

 

29th Aug 2010 - 10:10am
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This is Scargill talking about the 25th anniversary of the miners strike, only last year.To it's current members.....should be enough to fill the local cafe I suppose.giggle.gif

Does this guy do anything in the present?

http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/ec7FhVf4t2N/Arthur+Scargill+Gives+Speech+25th+Anniversary/0dklY9UbDtc/Arthur+Scargill

He sounds as unconvincing now as he did back then.

Are there people who still want to listen to his drivel? Well he won't be talking about the miners strike to the NUM anymore, as he will not have his union card. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

 

29th Aug 2010 - 11:14am
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ooooo memories!! I had an old Post Office Morris Minor van...

 

29th Aug 2010 - 2:36pm
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I have never seeen such hatred expressed towards a group of human beings in my life based solely on what they end up doing to earn a living.

Were some members of our community scared by the coal man as a child or summat? or is there a wish to get a rise out of other community members?

For our younger readers, I should point out that the mining industry was systematically destroyed by a government with vested interests in its destruction and no concern for the misery caused.

The death of British mining was a tragedy. To dance on its grave is incredibly distasteful. But then like I said one presumes the thread is done for effect.

 

29th Aug 2010 - 3:07pm
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Benny wrote:

I have never seeen such hatred expressed towards a group of human beings in my life based solely on what they end up doing to earn a living.


It has nothing to do with what they did for a living,I think most people accepted that the miners had a horrific profession, and to start with they had the public's support. I remember clearly people giving generously to people collecting food outside supermarkets.

Benny wrote:

Were some members of our community scared by the coal man as a child or summat? or is there a wish to get a rise out of other community members?


Once again read the thread.

Benny wrote:

For our younger readers, I should point out that the mining industry was systematically destroyed by a government with vested interests in its destruction and no concern for the misery caused.


So the mining industry never brought down a Government because of their strike actions? The miners were so powerful that they thought they could do as they pleased.The mining industry was losing money hand over fist, their strikes were what brought down the industry. It was Thatchers decision to take them on that was their downfall.

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The death of British mining was a tragedy. To dance on its grave is incredibly distasteful. But then like I said one presumes the thread is done for effect.


Not done for effect at all,that always seems to be your same old argument. The death of the industry was brought about by itself, mainly because of Scargills obsession with hating Thatcher.

It was certainly no tragedy, not for the public to be held to ransom by a union too big for it's own boots constantly. They intimidated it's members into striking and staying out on strike, and you are obviously not old enough to remember the flying pickets sent up and down the land to intimidate those with violence if they went back to work.

The laws today mean that the flying pickets and the " everybody out " shouts,cannot happen anymore at the drop of a hat. No more closed shops where jobs were only offered if you was in that union, failure to be a member meant you had no chance of joining that firm.

Good ideals so I suppose some good things came out of it in the end.

I am sure that whilst the miners lost big time, Scargill and his henchmen certainly did not lose everything. They came out of it alright or did they also only have to live on strike pay at that time? Thought not. Scargill seems to have done very nicely out of it all, to the huge detriment of thousands of hard working decent miners, of which if honest he cared nothing for as he only believed in his own PR.

This is the real timetable of events leading up to and after the strike.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_miners%27_strike_%281984%E2%80%931985%29

 

29th Aug 2010 - 3:30pm
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and is history not repeating itself?

Replace the NUM with Unite in this modern age. It is trying to take on Governments where the NUM and others have systematically failed over the years.

And now, the Unions are dictating to the Labour party who it should elect as their leader on pain of withdrawing its funds and support!!

Once again they are becoming all too big for their boots.

I'm sorry Ben, it's not about the workers; its all about how powerful these bastards can be in the furtherance of their ill gotten personal wealth.

They are worse than the very worst of the former USSR leaders who kept their population in poverty whilst enjoying massive wealth for themselves.

 

29th Aug 2010 - 3:34pm
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Do union leaders really have this Socialistic dream, or is it as I suspect....every man for himself?

 

29th Aug 2010 - 3:44pm
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kentswingers777 wrote:

Do union leaders really have this Socialistic dream, or is it as I suspect....every man for himself?


Certainly seems so from here.

 

29th Aug 2010 - 3:45pm
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Shall I make a list of tory voters who live in council houses and make a donation to charity occasionally...or tories who use the N.H.S. or don't send their kids to private school....thet are appalling examples of capitalists ...shame on them.....your argument is as ever a large testicle stood proudly on a huge pile of bollocks

 

29th Aug 2010 - 3:48pm
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Scargill won then did he Staggs?

The topic has gone a tad off line.

Let me reiterate....

Scargill lost his NUM membership for all the bloody thanks he did them eh? icon_wink.gif

Some people are so fecking ungrateful....don't ya think?

 

29th Aug 2010 - 4:01pm
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Shall I make a list of tory voters who live in council houses and make a donation to charity occasionally...or tories who use the N.H.S. or don't send their kids to private school....thet are appalling examples of capitalists ...shame on them.....your argument is as ever a large testicle stood proudly on a huge pile of bollocks


Isn't a testicle the correct term for a bollock?

 

29th Aug 2010 - 4:05pm
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The membership of the N.U.M. declined because the Thatcher government closed all the pits .....we've done this before you were wrong then you remain wrong..Scargill and the N.U.M. didn't close one single pit....we're now dependant on foreign energy supplies for one reason and she also nicked the school milk...as I said your understanding of recent British history leaves a lot to be desired.
You will never understand the miners strike because as I said you don't come from a mining area....and you will never get past your idea of the miners as a bunch of thick northern sheep who followed where Scargill lead.

 

29th Aug 2010 - 4:07pm
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GnV wrote:

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Shall I make a list of tory voters who live in council houses and make a donation to charity occasionally...or tories who use the N.H.S. or don't send their kids to private school....thet are appalling examples of capitalists ...shame on them.....your argument is as ever a large testicle stood proudly on a huge pile of bollocks


Isn't a testicle the correct term for a bollock?


Yes it's just as I said bollocks piled upon even more bollocks

 

29th Aug 2010 - 4:09pm
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Staggerlee_BB wrote:

GnV wrote:

Staggerlee_BB wrote:

Shall I make a list of tory voters who live in council houses and make a donation to charity occasionally...or tories who use the N.H.S. or don't send their kids to private school....thet are appalling examples of capitalists ...shame on them.....your argument is as ever a large testicle stood proudly on a huge pile of bollocks


Isn't a testicle the correct term for a bollock?


Yes it's just as I said bollocks piled upon even more bollocks


I would have said "a correct term piled on top of a load of old bollocks" actually...

 

29th Aug 2010 - 4:10pm
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Ah right got it Staggs......

Does anyone else have your take on things?



Here he is.........just for you. icon_wink.gif

He don't use Google either it seems.

 

29th Aug 2010 - 4:10pm
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Staggerlee_BB wrote:

The membership of the N.U.M. declined because the Thatcher government closed all the pits .....we've done this before you were wrong then you remain wrong..Scargill and the N.U.M. didn't close one single pit....we're now dependant on foreign energy supplies for one reason and she also nicked the school milk...as I said your understanding of recent British history leaves a lot to be desired.
You will never understand the miners strike because as I said you don't come from a mining area....and you will never get past your idea of the miners as a bunch of thick northern sheep who followed where Scargill lead.


That's not what awayman said.... who is right?

 

29th Aug 2010 - 4:12pm
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Well they both are............obviously. icon_wink.gif