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Re: re-thinks

3rd Mar 2011 - 2:12pm
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MidsCouple24 wrote:

I do believe I was wrong, the figure was 256, for this I appologise unreservedly, I do believe that I am right to support British Troops (not necessarily Government policy)

As for not joining the army to put your life on the line, many years ago that was very true, in the times of Korea, Aden and other conflicts, conscription negated the need for doing just that, in the years following those wars it was relatively peacefull and many joined the forces as a career, for trade training, education and a reliable pay packet. At the height of the Northern Ireland troubles many still joined believing they would never have to "put thier life on the line" but the wiser ones knew they might have to.

Then came the Falklands War, Bosnia, the Gulf Wars and now Afghanistan, anyone who takes the shilling thinking they are joining a peacetime army and will not be seeing active service is living in cloud cuckoo land.

I joined in the hope that I could do my job ie defend this Country, almost every member of the Battalion felt the same, I was lucky and got my wish in a number of conflicts, on each occasion my colleagues and I considered ourselves fortunate to be the units chosen for the task.

Where did the rights and wrongs of Iraq come into a discussion about Afghanistan, surely you can open your own thread to debate that.


Can you tell us why we invaded Afghanistan?

If you are going to say "well duh, did you see the events on 9/11?" I'd kindly ask you to go back and re-read my above post.

Cui bono, bro, Cui bono.

Small clue, it ain't you, me, the soldiers nor the native inhabitants of whatever land being invaded that are 'cui bono-ing' icon_wink.gif

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3rd Mar 2011 - 2:25pm
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I don't care why we invaded Afghanistan, I don't support the invasion of Afghanistan, but our elected government chose to do it, my dissatisfaction is with them not with the soldiers who do the job they are paid to do. I support them in a difficult task in the same way I support anyone doing a difficult job here at home.

Vent your annoyance against the government who put us there and I will be right behind you but support the Taliban and thier supporters (like those who wave placards saying "kill British Soldiers" in London) and I am willing to take up arms against you.

I am not clever enough to say what is right and what is wrong when we invade countries or declare war, I don't know if we were right to carpet bomb civilians in Berlin or Dresden, to drop atomic bombs on the Japanese, to assist in the overthrowing of African leaders, to support Pohl Pott in Cambodia or any other conflict, but I support the troops who do the job.

 

3rd Mar 2011 - 3:46pm
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MidsCouple24 wrote:

I don't care why we invaded Afghanistan, I don't support the invasion of Afghanistan, but our elected government chose to do it, my dissatisfaction is with them not with the soldiers who do the job they are paid to do. I support them in a difficult task in the same way I support anyone doing a difficult job here at home.


Hi mate.

Will you have a problem with the UN soldiers (or militarised police?) of whom, will be brought into the EU to deal with the upcoming food and race riots post 2020?

UN soldiers of whom, will have no problem kicking down your grans door/orange grove/mud hut?

Ask yourself what will happen when the police cutbacks really take effect?

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Vent your annoyance against the government who put us there and I will be right behind you but support the Taliban and thier supporters (like those who wave placards saying "kill British Soldiers" in London) and I am willing to take up arms against you.


I don't 'support' the Taliban, never said that. I also agree that soldiers are just doing a job, the caveat to that being the above asked question, vis a vis, "will you still think the same when our soldiers turn a blind eye to those foreign troops enlisted to 'deal with us' because it wouldn't be prudent to ask our own troops to 'deal with' UK civilians?

However, that to one side; dude, tell me what the Taliban ever did to disturb your life in the UK? I bet the first you heard of them was when the media started to demonise them on account of the taliban flagging two fingers to the elite industrialists as described in my last post?

Oh and, those toe-rag muslims with the placards, how did they get here? Did they just walk in? No, they arrived post 1960, after the immigration laws - both here and in the U.S - were drafted/amended by the SAME elites, of whom, tell YOU "we need to go to foreign lands and kill these bastards!" Somewhat contradictory yes?... no, not really.

The same people drafting the immigration laws fifty years ago, are the same bastards that own the media telling you these foreigners need carpet bombing.

Go on, say thats untrue, then we can list the names of those that drafted said laws, the same Rockefeller, Rothschilds and Windsors.

It beggars belief you could have any problem with [so called] 'millitant' Islam. At least they are not apostates. A muslim wants to conquer, wants to see a worldwide Khilafah, no shit, thats the point. If I were a muslim, I would subscribe fully to the ways of Omar Bakri muhammed and Abu Hamza.

Good for them, and more fool you for being duped with the "its just the militant ones" cobblers fed to you by the freemasonic media.

Along with other non whites, if the muslims weren't brought here, there would be no, en masse, alien force to pitch native Europeans against during the upcoming race wars/other social chaos. It might have escaped your attention, but many European cities are balkanized along racial lines. From Marseilles to Malmo, non white immigrant gangs all over Europe are already going at it with pro-white gangs, its the way the elites want it. When the Hindu Nationalists from Hinduistan team up with white Europeans to fight the muslims (and their enablers) then you will see some major shit hitting the fan.

Do you never ask yourself "who owns the media that is telling me such and such is evil?"

Do you never ask yourself "could the owner of that media, perhaps, have an agenda? Could all the owners off 99% of the media have the same agenda?"

Do you never ask "Could I be a pawn in a giant game of global chess?"

Trust me, you are in over your head as far as this global strategy goes, but whatever.

On a side note, I do enjoy watching the left wing fuckwits telling us how great muslims are, never mind the fact said placard waving muslims would string said lefties up given half a chance as the recent EDL (wankers) vs Muslims (wankers) vs UAF (unwashed wankers) protests graphically revealed.

Talk to the young muslims, why? because they point to the same groups as the right wing do, not that you will ever hear that in the Daily fucking Mail, because it is but another propaganda outlet, same as The Charadian.

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I am not clever enough to say what is right and what is wrong when we invade countries or declare war, I don't know if we were right to carpet bomb civilians in Berlin or Dresden, to drop atomic bombs on the Japanese, to assist in the overthrowing of African leaders, to support Pohl Pott in Cambodia or any other conflict, but I support the troops who do the job.


Just look at where we are in 2011, and you should have your answer. Ask yourself who has benefited from the last century? I'll tell you, it isn't you mate, it isn't you!

It's all bollocks, and always has been, certainly since 1600 onwards.

In terms of cold harsh logic, it is, arguable that, if it's right for the group interests of whichever group is capable of pulling off the bombing, then its right.

Is dropping white phosphorous onto three year old palestinan babies a good idea? not if you are a palestinian, but for the average Israeli - and as polls show - they seem to dig it. Not for me mind, but maybe I'm a weak ponce like that?

No different from asking "is it right if a lion eats a Bamby"

The only trait to negate such an outlook would be compassion, a trait that, when possessed by whichever group, will see said compassionate group (when met by a psychotic group) either having to a) deploy equally dark/evil actions, or b) concede certain doom for it's own kind. The pen has never been mightier that the sword. Never!

The only question then remains 'why' is existence seemingly set up to enable the psychotic ones? My answer? fuck knows pal, fuck knows. The compassion thing even had Darwin stumped. I mean, in so many areas, it confers bugger all evolutionary advantage.

It sucks dicks, but the elite are psychopathic scumbags, quite capable of doing whatever they need. They also possess IQ's of 130+.

In every shitstorm (whether global war, food shortage or even paedophila) the same cunts turn up time and time again. Google 'Hollie Grieg' for the latest dirty round from the wankers. Hollie, the young down syndrome girl whom named the lot: George Robertson, Peter Mandleson, Gordon Brown... the dirtiest of bastards you can imagine... or not imagine as the case may be?

http://paulmalpas.com/uncategorized/paedophilia/

In short, you are dealing with a psychotic, immoral, intelligent, hyper cohesive group.

The problem comes, when you are not part of that group, but they have duped you into doing the bombing for them. Then you die, not even remotely aware of your great great great grandparents, much less your next several generations of descendants.

Why is that relevant?

You are just a slave, a pawn 'in and of the moment' to be used as per the elite whim, of whom, archive everything about themselves, for generations. They know who they are, they do not want you doing likewise. They want/need you watching soap operas (that they make, and broadcast on their media)

You are a serf, a chattel, a slave.

Before slaughter, pigs eat swill... humans swallow X-factor and other media bullshit.

Numbers on a screen, bro.

Take care.

 

3rd Mar 2011 - 4:20pm
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Yep you are correct on all points, me I live in the real world and as you say that is how it has always been and how it always will be 1600, how about BC and those that wanted the same world dominance then.

I care not for such things, there is no solution to those who want to control and use us pawns, replace one you get another, thats the real world. All I have said is that I support our troops.

To answer your question, what has the Taliban done to me, they have caused price increases in my way of life, a need for higher security in my life, they have killed my friends and shot at me, so no I don't have the fondness for them that others have, at the same time they did it other Muslims stood by my side and helped me.

 

3rd Mar 2011 - 4:35pm
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MidsCouple24 wrote:

Yep you are correct on all points, me I live in the real world and as you say that is how it has always been and how it always will be 1600, how about BC and those that wanted the same world dominance then.

I care not for such things, there is no solution to those who want to control and use us pawns, replace one you get another, thats the real world. All I have said is that I support our troops.


Yeah, I agree, I look at the world the elites have carved for themselves and say "Mr Rothschild, is this it? Is 'this' the fucking zenith of elite human capability? Is this the unpassable apex of human potential? Really, well shove it!"

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To answer your question, what has the Taliban done to me, they have caused price increases in my way of life, a need for higher security in my life, they have killed my friends and shot at me, so no I don't have the fondness for them that others have, at the same time they did it other Muslims stood by my side and helped me.


Dude, tell me how the taliban have casued anything to rise in price for you?

Also, lets assume they have caused something to rise in price, why are you not moaning about/highlighting the speculators and globalists that are responsible for inflation, of which has (over the last five years) caused massive increases in fuel and food?

Inflation, of which, will see your fuel (and food) bills rising on the order of at least 500% by 2020

Dude, when you next go to TESCO/ASDA/Whichever supermarket, take a look around.

You see all those aisles, full of THOUSANDS of food items? different brands, different food produce... meat, veg etc, yeah?

Well pal, EVERY ONE OF THEM can be traced back to no more than SIX companies that own the lot.

Huge multi nationals such as the Conagra's and Phillp Morris' of this world.

Multi BILLON dollar, mutli-industry conglomerates that own ALL the companies within them. These smaller companies, of which, then make the 'individual brands' you are duped by on the supermarket shelves. In fact, its the exact same model as the media 'big six'.

Indeed, the folks who own these food companies, are the same gang that own the oil, the media and the banks.

When you are out robbing food in 2020, will you really be blaming 'the Taliban'

LOL, come one bro, say it ain't so.

 

3rd Mar 2011 - 6:36pm
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Awww !! The glorification of war !!

After nearly ten years in Afghanistan, with no end in sight ......in what way exactly are our soldiers "winning" ?

I think "war of attrition" sums up the situation and you can be sure as eggs is eggs that we ain`t winning !!!


The only winners are defence contractors and suppliers.

 

3rd Mar 2011 - 6:51pm
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john469 wrote:

MidsCouple24 wrote:

Yep you are correct on all points, me I live in the real world and as you say that is how it has always been and how it always will be 1600, how about BC and those that wanted the same world dominance then.

I care not for such things, there is no solution to those who want to control and use us pawns, replace one you get another, thats the real world. All I have said is that I support our troops.


Yeah, I agree, I look at the world the elites have carved for themselves and say "Mr Rothschild, is this it? Is 'this' the fucking zenith of elite human capability? Is this the unpassable apex of human potential? Really, well shove it!"

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To answer your question, what has the Taliban done to me, they have caused price increases in my way of life, a need for higher security in my life, they have killed my friends and shot at me, so no I don't have the fondness for them that others have, at the same time they did it other Muslims stood by my side and helped me.


Dude, tell me how the taliban have casued anything to rise in price for you?

Also, lets assume they have caused something to rise in price, why are you not moaning about/highlighting the speculators and globalists that are responsible for inflation, of which has (over the last five years) caused massive increases in fuel and food?

Inflation, of which, will see your fuel (and food) bills rising on the order of at least 500% by 2020

Dude, when you next go to TESCO/ASDA/Whichever supermarket, take a look around.

You see all those aisles, full of THOUSANDS of food items? different brands, different food produce... meat, veg etc, yeah?

Well pal, EVERY ONE OF THEM can be traced back to no more than SIX companies that own the lot.

Huge multi nationals such as the Conagra's and Phillp Morris' of this world.

Multi BILLON dollar, mutli-industry conglomerates that own ALL the companies within them. These smaller companies, of which, then make the 'individual brands' you are duped by on the supermarket shelves. In fact, its the exact same model as the media 'big six'.

Indeed, the folks who own these food companies, are the same gang that own the oil, the media and the banks.

When you are out robbing food in 2020, will you really be blaming 'the Taliban'

LOL, come one bro, say it ain't so.


when food ,oil and papers become to expencive to buy ,do they not then become worthless dunno.gif

 

3rd Mar 2011 - 7:06pm
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when food ,oil and papers become to expencive to buy ,do they not then become worthless dunno.gif


No, on the contrary.

You have to remember, this isn't about money ('they' own the banks, they print the money) it's about control.

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Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control the world. - Henry Kissinger

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4th Mar 2011 - 12:24am
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I have 4 holidays booked for the coming months, are you going to tell me that some of the costs I am paying is not for extra security and staff, more controls at the airports ?

But no I am not moaning about that or about anything they do or cause, I didn't start a debate about rights and wrongs of the government, the Muslims, the Taliban or anyone else, I merely voiced my own opinion about our troops in Afghanistan you yourself and others have tried to turn it into a political debate.

Whatever the soldiers are doing they are following orders, just like many who commited atrocities during the 2nd WW. In an ideal world they would have more choice in which orders they carry out and which they don't but right now the average British soldier does not have enough information to decide exactly which orders are good and which are bad, he probably never will have, of course they do have the right to refuse an illegal order but since what they are currently tasked with is under the orders of the Government it doesn't apply right now.

 

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john469 wrote:

Lizaleanrob wrote:



when food ,oil and papers become to expensive to buy ,do they not then become worthless dunno.gif


No, on the contrary.

You have to remember, this isn't about money ('they' own the banks, they print the money) it's about control.

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Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control the world. - Henry Kissinger


would that be the same wise Kissinger loon.gif that quoted this sort of crap

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/h/henry_a_kissinger_3.html

 

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MidsCouple24 wrote:


But no I am not moaning about that or about anything they do or cause, I didn't start a debate about rights and wrongs of the government, the Muslims, the Taliban or anyone else, I merely voiced my own opinion about our troops in Afghanistan you yourself and others have tried to turn it into a political debate.


You may not have intended to start a debate about the rights and wrongs etc. but by making an overtly political statement (and it was) on this part of the forum that is almost inevitably what you'll get,what were your intentions in making the post ?


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would that be the same wise Kissinger loon.gif that quoted this sort of crap

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/h/henry_a_kissinger_3.html



No that would be the Kissinger who was Nixon's secretary of state, who was widely discredited when his dealings with the C.I.A. Came to light, and who persuaded Carter to allow the Shah of Iran to receive medical treatment in the U.S. Resulting in the hostage crisis.....that Kissinger

 

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dont mention the C.I.erm erm A damn it now they will come looking here and non of us will get through US cutoms ever again.. im outa ere bolt.gif

btw some interesting reading on here .. john dude

 

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Lizaleanrob wrote:



would that be the same wise Kissinger loon.gif that quoted this sort of crap

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/h/henry_a_kissinger_3.html


Face like a rock bun, that Kissinger:

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