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3rd Sep 2011 - 9:44am
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neilinleeds wrote:



It's properly starting to piss me right off so it is. Thing is, like everyone else, I don't know how to direct that anger either? dunno.gif icon_sad.gif

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As a simple country boy, my view is that people disliked/hated/spat blood at the Thatcher years, Major took over, not a lot changed. So a number of people decided that Blair was saying all the right things (education education education?) so let's teach those self serving Tories a lesson, let's get Labour in.

After 13 years, people disliked/hated/spat blood at the Blair years, Brown took over, not a lot changed, so a number of people decided that it was time for change, however, there was no obvious or credible option, so we had our first coalition Government since the 1940's.

People are disliking/hating/spitting blood at the decisions the Tories are making, some of them borne out of necessity, many of them made without thinking of any alternatives. We have seen student demo's, NHS cuts marches etc, but no real display of feeling, the last time anything like that of any note has bee done, was the Poll tax riots.

So what will happen now? People will decide they have had enough of disliking/hating/spitting blood, and decide they will vote this current Government out, Clegg and the Liberals will never happen, Cameron and the Tories are making too many unpopular and ill thought out decisions, and Milliband and Labour are not seizing the chance they have to make a case for themselves.

But due to the feeling toward current Government, people will vote in Labour at the next election. Not because they want Labour, but because they don't want Cameron.

No anger will be directed, just walking to the ballot box staring at feet as they do, and so all the above continues, with different names eating out of the Downing Street trough.

 

3rd Sep 2011 - 1:10pm
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Lizaleanrob wrote:



so do tell me Neil where do these people start their careers at the very top and work down or do they have to work their way up the corruption ladder>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>waits for side stepping non relevent answer icon_rolleyes.gif






Staggerlee_BB wrote:


Here's a good one ... banking again...António Mota de Sousa Horta Osório ... leaves university and within 3 years is vice president of citibank in Portugal




Lizaleanrob wrote:


we are talking 1990 some 20 years back you might like to look at his qualifications for his post i do believe he was the top student for his time in Europe ..........so his had work paid off dunno.gif or should we just pull the names out of a hat for who gets the job i`ll nominate karen mathews for the bank of England post
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%B3nio_Mota_de_Sousa_Horta_Os%C3%B3rio




See Rob I was answering a specific question … you asked it FFS
I wasn't aware that you'd set some kind of time scale within which I had to work
Oh and you may like to look at his family background ... it's on the wiki ... now lets ask ourselves again what may have brought about his leap to the top ??



Lizaleanrob wrote:

i think you guys miss the point

i honestly can't believe that intelligent people like you guys are so outraged that

1: the politicians lied to the voters

2: that the government made promises that it never was going to keep

3: that the old pals act has came into play and some higher members of society seemingly are above the law

4:nothing has changed in 40 years and you expected it to change this time based on a politicians say so before a general election doh.gif


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this game of fat cat and mouse has probably been going on since Parliament was very first formed after all who funds all these elections
but it does go to show that even by bribing the banks is no guarantee of getting into back into government

i don't think others don't know or are too stupid to know whats going on, i just think that most accept that this is the way its been for so long that its accepted as the norm

just out of interest do you think any of the other party's (front runners not the ones that loose their deposits) would or will be any different at all icon_wink.gif


No Rob I think you are deliberately avoiding the point …. that things haven't changed is WRONG

As for outrage, we can only, given your supine acceptance of the status quo under the latest government , assume that your own foam flecked screams at the actions of the previous government, were just so much cant and hyperbole … I for one, will, in future be working under the assumption that your condemnation of Blair and Brown is just fake.

 

3rd Sep 2011 - 2:52pm
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Staggerlee_BB wrote:

Lizaleanrob wrote:



so do tell me Neil where do these people start their careers at the very top and work down or do they have to work their way up the corruption ladder>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>waits for side stepping non relevent answer icon_rolleyes.gif






Staggerlee_BB wrote:


Here's a good one ... banking again...António Mota de Sousa Horta Osório ... leaves university and within 3 years is vice president of citibank in Portugal




Lizaleanrob wrote:


we are talking 1990 some 20 years back you might like to look at his qualifications for his post i do believe he was the top student for his time in Europe ..........so his had work paid off dunno.gif or should we just pull the names out of a hat for who gets the job i`ll nominate karen mathews for the bank of England post
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%B3nio_Mota_de_Sousa_Horta_Os%C3%B3rio




See Rob I was answering a specific question ... you asked it FFS
I wasn't aware that you'd set some kind of time scale within which I had to work
Oh and you may like to look at his family background ... it's on the wiki ... now lets ask ourselves again what may have brought about his leap to the top ??

see staggs you answered you own criticism..... this guy got the job on merit not on a promise
being at a privileged school is indeed a privilege but he rightfully in my mind proved not only should he have been there but also that given his chance he made the very most of it, to become the top student in Europe the job and his starting point is justified imho



Lizaleanrob wrote:

i think you guys miss the point

i honestly can't believe that intelligent people like you guys are so outraged that

1: the politicians lied to the voters

2: that the government made promises that it never was going to keep

3: that the old pals act has came into play and some higher members of society seemingly are above the law

4:nothing has changed in 40 years and you expected it to change this time based on a politicians say so before a general election doh.gif


rotflmao.gifrotflmao.gifrotflmao.gifrotflmao.gifrotflmao.gifrotflmao.gif

this game of fat cat and mouse has probably been going on since Parliament was very first formed after all who funds all these elections
but it does go to show that even by bribing the banks is no guarantee of getting into back into government

i don't think others don't know or are too stupid to know whats going on, i just think that most accept that this is the way its been for so long that its accepted as the norm

just out of interest do you think any of the other party's (front runners not the ones that loose their deposits) would or will be any different at all icon_wink.gif


No Rob I think you are deliberately avoiding the point .... that things haven't changed is WRONG

As for outrage, we can only, given your supine acceptance of the status quo under the latest government , assume that your own foam flecked screams at the actions of the previous government, were just so much cant and hyperbole ... I for one, will, in future be working under the assumption that your condemnation of Blair and Brown is just fake.


not really staggs im just pointing out that the last and the one before that and before that again are all the same
they just wear a different coloured tie
i think essex 34m explains it perfectly
my personal opinion is that the coalition has just carried on from where the last government left off and that the current outrage in this thread is based more on the colour of the tie than what they did
just telling you how it looks from here take neils little avitar at the bottom of all his posts whistling.gif

as you well know i don't favour any self serving governments from local to pm .....as being on the take is the first and only qualification needed

 

10th Sep 2011 - 3:02pm
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Disingenuous ..... now there's a word
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