Dale Farm

oh dear neil you seam to know nothing of planning law for say a listed building. a listed building a frend of mine actualy owns, and if he put up a brick wall without permission it would be classed as breaking CRIMINAL law.

http://www.wycombe.gov.uk/council-services/planning-and-buildings/planning-enforcement.aspx

" In addition there are separate powers for other special controls for Tree Preservation Orders, listed buildings, conservation areas, advertisements, hedgerows and planning obligations. The breaking of these regulations is often a criminal offence and is dealt with differently."

so yes neil you could well go to prison for breaking planning laws that fall under criminal law!

splitting hairs? perhaps but evidence is there for you as you asked neil.

and thankfully we now have dale farm illegals being removed.
funny how the peeple there seam to not want to show there faces and hide behind masks when they are throwing bricks and rocks at the police. friendly bunch they are.

what a waste of money and this should have happened nine yeers ago.

ermmm yes i did neil.




yes i know i am neil hence the link my friend.



being normally not an offense that warrants a prison sentenace was not the question though neil was it?



i answered building a wall in or on a listed building is a criminal offence that could warrant a prison sentenance, as anything to do with criminal law could. the fact that people in general do not go to prison is no different to saying how many people go to prison that actualy should do? not as many as most of us would like. carrying and threatening someone with a knife should, but does not. so your point again is neil?



i never said they did, YOU implied they did neil. are you possibly saying that nobody ever has gone to prison for serous breeches of planning law?? what nobody neil not ever? i will not google that as i am sure not many have but some have. blimey even little old 90 year old ladies have been sent to prison for not paying there tv licenses. criminal law see neil.

Injunction

In the most serious cases, serving an injunction is a more appropriate course of action than an Enforcement Notice. Failure to comply with an Injunction is a contempt of court for which there are serious penalties.
so whilst building a wall may not be the first reeson to jail someone they could be jailed if they break a court order so would be in contempt of court. " A judge may impose sanctions such as a fine or jail for someone found guilty of contempt of court"





did i say they did neil? did YOU actually read all the link i supplied?
it mentions listed buildings but not a mention of a caravan neil.

what is rather funny well it is not actualy but a term of wording is, there were/are many peeple at dale farm with high viz jackets on with " human rights observers " written on the back. the cameras showed these peeple many times today, and then suddenly turned the cameras five feet away to see " activists / travellers " throwing large lumps of concrete and bricks at the police 20 feet away. i wonder if the police fall into the human rights observers statute book and will be making there own observations with regard to this? or are they only there to see the " travellers " get there human rights protected ?
what do you think neil? should the police be given the same protection as the peeple openly trying to injure them, and who cover up there faces to protect there indentities?
i would be interested to heer your views on those issues neil.

neil.
let us take a little example eh?
a person does not pay there rates and gets taken to court. the court orders that person to pay the arrears and then adds costs to that persons bill. IF that person refuses to pay the court then have the power to ether impose more fines or sometimes jail that person.
now that person was not jailed for the original offence which was non payment of rates, buit was jailed for contempt of court a different thing entirely.

no different to building a brick wall neil on the side of a listed building. they build the wall and the council tells them to take it down. they refuse. after being taken to court the court orders the person to remove the wall, and they then refuse further. the judge then jails that person for contempt of court, NOT because of the wall.

you are having a bit of truble there neil understanding the debate. no worries my friend sometimes even i find simple things hard to grasp at times.

anyway no worries as this thred will now die a very gracious death as at long last the " travellers " have been moved from dale farm and the land which is green belt land can be returned to that. here is hoping anyway.

nice chatting with you though neil

Imagine just for argument if the residents of Dale Farm would have been Black rather than those with Irish heritage.

I think it would have been dealt with let's say a lot quicker & possibly more aggressive than what has happened. Forget about this High Court stuff, as it wouldn't have occurred.

Even the liberal sympathy from the likes of the BBC has been amazing even after commenting that such communities are a financial burden on local authorities...

Schools, GP's & Police.

I simply don't understand in this 21st Century existence what's the deal with travelling constantly?

Another point how many of these Adult Females within these Irish Travelling Communities have qualifications, are in employment & if any are still unmarried?

Some might disagree with my views but a group settled near my neighbourhood & created total havoc then left leaving rubbish cleaned by the local authority.

The amount of care & attention they get from my own local authority is amazing...
particularly designated Family Support Workers & Youth Workers.

Whilst normal working class people / communities that live in Houses within neighbourhoods don't get nothing.

Let's say from my own personal experience, am not a fan.

The law applies the same for traveller, business, black, inuit, white, or any other person. In my opinion the arguement does not stand

Dave_Notts

and so the merry go round of legal fees starts all over again.