Just watched the show guys, good on ya! Looks like you had a fun time. Dont know if you remember us but we did meet in Infusion on the opening weekend ( sat night ). Hopefully we will meet again at some point in the future.
Jackie ( & Will)
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Just watched the show
30th Sep 2005 - 11:34pm
Hi Chris & Lorraine
Congrats on the show, you certainly got us going watching you!
Nice one!
Congrats on the show, you certainly got us going watching you!
Nice one!
Just how it *should* be!
1st Oct 2005 - 3:47am
Chris and Lorraine...
I actually bit the bullet and registered on SH tonight after over a year of reading stories, browsing ads and using the reviews on clubs to help me decide how to get into swinging without too much trauma
The reason... I had to say how much I think people like you two make Swinging in this country so natural a pastime! The way you seem to think about sex, people, fun and life is inspirational
Watching both series of RWS (and having seen the first series last time it was on too!) and using the SH site made me feel so kewl about venturing further and having soooo much fun
Thank you for sharing ickle bits of your life with us xxx
(I know this sounds really sucky but, hey, it's late heh)
I actually bit the bullet and registered on SH tonight after over a year of reading stories, browsing ads and using the reviews on clubs to help me decide how to get into swinging without too much trauma
The reason... I had to say how much I think people like you two make Swinging in this country so natural a pastime! The way you seem to think about sex, people, fun and life is inspirational
Watching both series of RWS (and having seen the first series last time it was on too!) and using the SH site made me feel so kewl about venturing further and having soooo much fun
Thank you for sharing ickle bits of your life with us xxx
(I know this sounds really sucky but, hey, it's late heh)
Why all the emphasis on not being gay Chris 
. I hate to be critical but and I hate to defend the yanks 
But I have been to clubs where a lot of Bits just stand around dancing and being social and I don't see anything wrong with that. I also don't think its polite to comment on someones performance on TV. As for Americans having little wilies are you serious
. I hate to be critical but and I hate to defend the yanks But I have been to clubs where a lot of Bits just stand around dancing and being social and I don't see anything wrong with that. I also don't think its polite to comment on someones performance on TV. As for Americans having little wilies are you serious 
seagull69 wrote:
Why all the emphasis on not being gay Chris . I hate to be critical but and I hate to defend the yanks But I have been to clubs where a lot of Bits just stand around dancing and being social and I don't see anything wrong with that. I also don't think its polite to comment on someones performance on TV. As for Americans having little wilies are you serious
Why all the emphasis on not being gay Chris
. I hate to be critical but and I hate to defend the yanks But I have been to clubs where a lot of Bits just stand around dancing and being social and I don't see anything wrong with that. I also don't think its polite to comment on someones performance on TV. As for Americans having little wilies are you serious agree with a lot that has said here..... as burnie said it may well be in the editing, but if you don't give them the ammo, there is nothing to edit in the first place,
I think the point the programme got across very well is that there are various types of swingers... The people who love it for the social side, the munches (and we will probably never see chris and lorraine at these because it is not their thing) and the people who are in it primarily for the sex, nothing else! and there is absolutly nothing wrong with that....
we know that they do co-exist well, and the program showed the general public that they did as well.....overall i think it was more positive than negative....
I also don't think it was polite to comment on someone else's preformance, you may be very open in what you do and i appluade you both for that, but not everyone is.......a lot of people play on the grounds of trust, and i'd be mortified if i thought my trust in someone was going to be abused in that sense.....
fabio grooverider wrote:
agree with a lot that has said here..... as burnie said it may well be in the editing,
seagull69 wrote:
Why all the emphasis on not being gay Chris . I hate to be critical but and I hate to defend the yanks But I have been to clubs where a lot of Bits just stand around dancing and being social and I don't see anything wrong with that. I also don't think its polite to comment on someones performance on TV. As for Americans having little wilies are you serious
Why all the emphasis on not being gay Chris
. I hate to be critical but and I hate to defend the yanks But I have been to clubs where a lot of Bits just stand around dancing and being social and I don't see anything wrong with that. I also don't think its polite to comment on someones performance on TV. As for Americans having little wilies are you serious agree with a lot that has said here..... as burnie said it may well be in the editing,
Nope... Apparantly there is little editing in that sense. What you see is what you've got.
chrislorraine wrote:
Trust us that is not the way this company makes these films.You have to give the green light anyway before they can show what they have edited for the telly.The thing about a cam in your face in these situations can just make you nervous simple as that.
northwest-cpl wrote:
Do you not think that the film was edited to make them appear like that though? We thought that the couple were being used to show how much "better" they do it on the continent. They were not an inexperienced couple. At the beginning they said they had been playing 2 years and had met 50 couples. I think if you carefully edited anyone's weekend down to about 30 minutes of film you could get them to appear anyway you wanted them to.
Shloppy wrote:
I saw last weeks episode and I coldn't bvelieve how "awkward" the couple featured were. Admittedly they were older than the other swingers but the husband just looked too uncomfortable to be true. I felt awkward just watching.
I saw last weeks episode and I coldn't bvelieve how "awkward" the couple featured were. Admittedly they were older than the other swingers but the husband just looked too uncomfortable to be true. I felt awkward just watching.
Do you not think that the film was edited to make them appear like that though? We thought that the couple were being used to show how much "better" they do it on the continent. They were not an inexperienced couple. At the beginning they said they had been playing 2 years and had met 50 couples. I think if you carefully edited anyone's weekend down to about 30 minutes of film you could get them to appear anyway you wanted them to.
Trust us that is not the way this company makes these films.You have to give the green light anyway before they can show what they have edited for the telly.The thing about a cam in your face in these situations can just make you nervous simple as that.
I've enjoyed the series and all the ones that came before..
I'm sorry but you both came over rude and arrogant, commenting on performance, duration, size of mens manhoods.
As fabio said, there is a lot of trust involved in swinging and I too would be mortified if comments were made about me.
Ok I would expect you to talk between yourselves about it, but to make comments like that to the camera crew, and after the edit, STILL allowing those comments to go on general release IMHO is wrong.
Throw away comments like (i'm not trying to quote the exact words) "thats how english girls do it" and "well i made her scream", well I'm sorry they sounded arrogant.
There was a little bit 'edited' where the american lady was going to comment on your performance.........I wonder why that was deleted.
Although the program was very well made and seemed to put over a balanced view IMO it also put over the view that english swingers will judge you and find you lacking.......don't go there.
You are probably a really nice couple, nerves, being abroad etc etc may have made you come over wrong.......but there was no excuse once you were home and allowed to have decisions in the editing (as you said you did)
I apologise if you feel offended by my post....but after all it is just my opinion
I'm sorry but you both came over rude and arrogant, commenting on performance, duration, size of mens manhoods.
As fabio said, there is a lot of trust involved in swinging and I too would be mortified if comments were made about me.
Ok I would expect you to talk between yourselves about it, but to make comments like that to the camera crew, and after the edit, STILL allowing those comments to go on general release IMHO is wrong.
Throw away comments like (i'm not trying to quote the exact words) "thats how english girls do it" and "well i made her scream", well I'm sorry they sounded arrogant.
There was a little bit 'edited'
where the american lady was going to comment on your performance.........I wonder why that was deleted.
Although the program was very well made and seemed to put over a balanced view IMO it also put over the view that english swingers will judge you and find you lacking.......don't go there.
You are probably a really nice couple, nerves, being abroad etc etc may have made you come over wrong.......but there was no excuse once you were home and allowed to have decisions in the editing (as you said you did)
I apologise if you feel offended by my post....but after all it is just my opinion
Have to say I agree with Kaz and Seagul - the actual show it self was well made and warts and all. However, your comments regarding the american swingers were well condescending and not called for.
Nothing to stop you having those observations and as has been said by others, they maybe should have been kept under wraps. The comment about having sex with your Grandad was way off. The guy was there, like you, to have fun, and if that is his bag then good on the bloke for getting out and doing it at his age, if it wasn't your thing you be firm but polite and move along.
My opinion is, is that you were too eager to get down to things and came across as very arrogant, I am not saying you are, that is how it appeared to me.
If you both just chilled a little maybe be less eager then things would have been easier for you.
My thoughts anyway.
Nothing to stop you having those observations and as has been said by others, they maybe should have been kept under wraps. The comment about having sex with your Grandad was way off. The guy was there, like you, to have fun, and if that is his bag then good on the bloke for getting out and doing it at his age, if it wasn't your thing you be firm but polite and move along.
My opinion is, is that you were too eager to get down to things and came across as very arrogant, I am not saying you are, that is how it appeared to me.
If you both just chilled a little maybe be less eager then things would have been easier for you.
My thoughts anyway.
I'm just waiting for them to do a REAL program on a swingle male that doesnt go to clubs and is selective on who they play with...
Would probably take 2 years of filming, and result in 29mins 55seconds of nothing, then 5seconds of great sex after being compressed into real time, lmao
I've also noticed that theres been no, or very little, mention of safe sex on all the programs... I know a lot of people dont, and also a lot do... but its not really been mentioned!
I can't remember the exact figure quoted as to the cost per couple in the states for the venue, but at about 1-2 thousand (did I hear it correctly) then the only people who could afford that would be the retired rich or the upper end of the finantial ladder who wouldnt think twice about having a social only meet without playing as money is no object and its a couple of days to be different.
The young couple that was featured did, although sidelined, mention how different a finantial bracket most people were in... While in the uk we have a "class" system, the us has its own class system based on earnings more than class based on breeding in the uk where its frounded upon to be wealthy through earnings and not inheritance.
Socially speaking most of the people at the event were on a par with lords and ladys in US terms.
Despite what has been said about editing, all the subjects really get is "you're not putting that out... or that will do" I really cant see the subjects being in the editing room with editorial rights over potentially 72 hours (3days *24 hours) of tape.
The final verson did show chris as being homophobic, but hey thats his right... if he doesnt like the idea of guy contact then i'm sure DP and condomless sloppy seconds is not on the cards and all perform safe sex so there is no posibility of same sex contact directly or indirectly through bodily fluids.
Although being bi myself, I do find it strange that someone can enjoy bi-sexual events from an opersite sex partner and not within themselves... someone that is totaly against bi-sexuality and gay and lesbian sex does tend to seem more honest than someone that says "being gay is bad... unless its two girls..." but that is my take on things.
I personaly wouldnt/dont say anything derogitory about anyone I'd played with except in private or with very close friends or there was a really good reason to have done so... If i'd have had an issue i'd have brought it up with the person/people i'd played with either at the time or later (I wouldnt have done this with a GF some years ago, but i'm older and wiser if not maturer)
OK so issues out of the way....
chris and loraine came across as a couple that loved sex, had a huge exhibitionist side and were open and vocal... and also had the balls to "come out" on the swingning scene.
Only time will tell if the program does them more harm than good and only they will know that.
I also found it refreshing that they admitted they were in this for the sex, after all swinging is a sexual thing... true there may need to be a social click, but when it comes down to it a lot of swingers only need to find a sexual compatability... if there is an emotional [friendship] compatability then this is secondary and a bonus if everyone wants more than "we like you, you like us, lets fuck."
I have played with people, and in reverse them with myself, based on physical attraction and contact via adverts/messenger/emails... I've also seen it from the other side as a couple and it doesnt require friendship, just a mutual attraction... true friendship comes after with time; even then there always has to be some detatchment otherwise the lines between swinging and relationships becomes blured and emotional attatchments can become one sided or exclusive.
If swinging was first and foremost about friendships then clubs would not work, and you wouldnt see couples leaving pissed of because they hadnt played after forking out their x amount, they also wouldnt have a graded pay scale based on single fems, couples, men and wouldnt get anyone in for [non semi-prostitution] greedy girls and gangbangs and bukackies, membership would be quota based and not finantial.
It does annoy me that people try to put a socially acceptable face on swinging that conforms to the "normaity" instead of saying "swinging is about sex... period" if you dont like it or the idea... piss off, if you do... come on in and have fun.
Would probably take 2 years of filming, and result in 29mins 55seconds of nothing, then 5seconds of great sex after being compressed into real time, lmao
I've also noticed that theres been no, or very little, mention of safe sex on all the programs... I know a lot of people dont, and also a lot do... but its not really been mentioned!
I can't remember the exact figure quoted as to the cost per couple in the states for the venue, but at about 1-2 thousand (did I hear it correctly) then the only people who could afford that would be the retired rich or the upper end of the finantial ladder who wouldnt think twice about having a social only meet without playing as money is no object and its a couple of days to be different.
The young couple that was featured did, although sidelined, mention how different a finantial bracket most people were in... While in the uk we have a "class" system, the us has its own class system based on earnings more than class based on breeding in the uk where its frounded upon to be wealthy through earnings and not inheritance.
Socially speaking most of the people at the event were on a par with lords and ladys in US terms.
Despite what has been said about editing, all the subjects really get is "you're not putting that out... or that will do" I really cant see the subjects being in the editing room with editorial rights over potentially 72 hours (3days *24 hours) of tape.
The final verson did show chris as being homophobic, but hey thats his right... if he doesnt like the idea of guy contact then i'm sure DP and condomless sloppy seconds is not on the cards and all perform safe sex so there is no posibility of same sex contact directly or indirectly through bodily fluids.
Although being bi myself, I do find it strange that someone can enjoy bi-sexual events from an opersite sex partner and not within themselves... someone that is totaly against bi-sexuality and gay and lesbian sex does tend to seem more honest than someone that says "being gay is bad... unless its two girls..." but that is my take on things.
I personaly wouldnt/dont say anything derogitory about anyone I'd played with except in private or with very close friends or there was a really good reason to have done so... If i'd have had an issue i'd have brought it up with the person/people i'd played with either at the time or later (I wouldnt have done this with a GF some years ago, but i'm older and wiser if not maturer)
OK so issues out of the way....
chris and loraine came across as a couple that loved sex, had a huge exhibitionist side and were open and vocal... and also had the balls to "come out" on the swingning scene.
Only time will tell if the program does them more harm than good and only they will know that.
I also found it refreshing that they admitted they were in this for the sex, after all swinging is a sexual thing... true there may need to be a social click, but when it comes down to it a lot of swingers only need to find a sexual compatability... if there is an emotional [friendship] compatability then this is secondary and a bonus if everyone wants more than "we like you, you like us, lets fuck."
I have played with people, and in reverse them with myself, based on physical attraction and contact via adverts/messenger/emails... I've also seen it from the other side as a couple and it doesnt require friendship, just a mutual attraction... true friendship comes after with time; even then there always has to be some detatchment otherwise the lines between swinging and relationships becomes blured and emotional attatchments can become one sided or exclusive.
If swinging was first and foremost about friendships then clubs would not work, and you wouldnt see couples leaving pissed of because they hadnt played after forking out their x amount, they also wouldnt have a graded pay scale based on single fems, couples, men and wouldnt get anyone in for [non semi-prostitution] greedy girls and gangbangs and bukackies, membership would be quota based and not finantial.
It does annoy me that people try to put a socially acceptable face on swinging that conforms to the "normaity" instead of saying "swinging is about sex... period" if you dont like it or the idea... piss off, if you do... come on in and have fun.
What I find is that people from North America have been very repressed and there is alot of religious fevour. With the new awakening of swing clubs and parties, (some which are still advertised as meeting places but no sex insitu) they do tend to treat it with alot more teenage enthusiasm. Sort of like 'look at me!! I'm naked!!! Wow look at all the tits!!'
It's sort of a niavity, and places like Hedo bring out inhibitions with costume parties and games. It's just a different attitude to whole thing.
They also have a totally different way of communicating and conversation is encouraged from day one, right through the school system, and onward. Here we keep more to ourselves, and tend not to dwelve too deep at first as far as personal information taken and given.
Here it's quite normal to see pics of people getting it on on the streets (hooray for the big market) and get it on the first date, but over there, very much more conservative.
We have nudity everywhere in the UK. Newspapers, magazines, beaches, mainstream TV. It's something we are used to, but over there, swingers are still regarded as weirdos.
To me, that explains alot of the difference in the approach to swinging.
Just my two cents...
It's sort of a niavity, and places like Hedo bring out inhibitions with costume parties and games. It's just a different attitude to whole thing.
They also have a totally different way of communicating and conversation is encouraged from day one, right through the school system, and onward. Here we keep more to ourselves, and tend not to dwelve too deep at first as far as personal information taken and given.
Here it's quite normal to see pics of people getting it on on the streets (hooray for the big market) and get it on the first date, but over there, very much more conservative.
We have nudity everywhere in the UK. Newspapers, magazines, beaches, mainstream TV. It's something we are used to, but over there, swingers are still regarded as weirdos.
To me, that explains alot of the difference in the approach to swinging.
Just my two cents...
Firstly well done to Chris and Loraine for doing the show.
The question we would like to ask is, did the presence of cameras have a negitive effect on the swinging action? Could that be why the Americans were so hesitant to "play"? After all, if there was a film crew at say, Xtasia how many Brits would you see being brave enough to carry on as they normally would do?
Having worked in America in the past, got to say that when Americans have one of their recreation conventions, be it a Star Trek, Halloeen or Swinging Convention, they put loads more effort into it than we Brits tend to do. Possibly because the ones that go to them have more spare cash, ie you wouldn't find the ones that were left behind in New Orleans at these dos.
John & Shel
The question we would like to ask is, did the presence of cameras have a negitive effect on the swinging action? Could that be why the Americans were so hesitant to "play"? After all, if there was a film crew at say, Xtasia how many Brits would you see being brave enough to carry on as they normally would do?
Having worked in America in the past, got to say that when Americans have one of their recreation conventions, be it a Star Trek, Halloeen or Swinging Convention, they put loads more effort into it than we Brits tend to do. Possibly because the ones that go to them have more spare cash, ie you wouldn't find the ones that were left behind in New Orleans at these dos.
John & Shel
the figues quoted were astronomical 2500 dollars per couple and about 500 couples attended. Added to that the guy running it said he ran the bars and each couple spent about 150 dollars per day. Which begs the question is he, like he said "only in it for the lifestyle".
Well they say sex sells
Well they say sex sells
I was looking forward to this programme but being away I had to tape it. I watched it last night and thought that it portrayed Chris and Lorraine in a less than favourable light. As has been said in previous postings, the first rule of swinging must be confidentiality for swinging partners. It was shameful that there was "slagging off" of poor performances and under endowment. Sorry C & L but I don't think that this programme did you any favours.
Shloppy wrote:
I was looking forward to this programme but being away I had to tape it. I watched it last night and thought that it portrayed Chris and Lorraine in a less than favourable light. As has been said in previous postings, the first rule of swinging must be confidentiality for swinging partners. It was shameful that there was "slagging off" of poor performances and under endowment. Sorry C & L but I don't think that this programme did you any favours.
I was looking forward to this programme but being away I had to tape it. I watched it last night and thought that it portrayed Chris and Lorraine in a less than favourable light. As has been said in previous postings, the first rule of swinging must be confidentiality for swinging partners. It was shameful that there was "slagging off" of poor performances and under endowment. Sorry C & L but I don't think that this programme did you any favours.
and what about that Liverpool shirt. Why no Blackpool top. Trully shocking
I have been fighting the urge to respond to this for the last couple of days.... but could hold it any longer......
You would be right... if not for only one thing..... You presume that every decides to do their swinging in clubs!!!! remeber not everyone does, there are a couple of thousand ads in the ad section that would tell you differently....
there are loads of people that have private parties and i am sure these people tend to know each other..... so i am guessing that Friendship for a lot of people does work before they go any further, and example may be you at the south yorkshire social last weekend.......
Thanks for telling us all how we all should think... so we all ought to think like you???
swinging for me as as much about the social as well as the sex... am i wrong then???
shall we just agree to disagree on this one or shall i just piss off now????
all this time i find out i am on the wrong site.... it must have taken a while for the penny to finally drop!!!!
sean
piercedJon wrote:
If swinging was first and foremost about friendships then clubs would not work, and you wouldnt see couples leaving pissed of because they hadnt played after forking out their x amount, they also wouldnt have a graded pay scale based on single fems, couples, men and wouldnt get anyone in for [non semi-prostitution] greedy girls and gangbangs and bukackies, membership would be quota based and not finantial.
If swinging was first and foremost about friendships then clubs would not work, and you wouldnt see couples leaving pissed of because they hadnt played after forking out their x amount, they also wouldnt have a graded pay scale based on single fems, couples, men and wouldnt get anyone in for [non semi-prostitution] greedy girls and gangbangs and bukackies, membership would be quota based and not finantial.
You would be right... if not for only one thing..... You presume that every decides to do their swinging in clubs!!!! remeber not everyone does, there are a couple of thousand ads in the ad section that would tell you differently....
there are loads of people that have private parties and i am sure these people tend to know each other..... so i am guessing that Friendship for a lot of people does work before they go any further, and example may be you at the south yorkshire social last weekend.......
piercedJon wrote:
It does annoy me that people try to put a socially acceptable face on swinging that conforms to the "normaity" instead of saying "swinging is about sex... period" if you dont like it or the idea... piss off, if you do... come on in and have fun.
It does annoy me that people try to put a socially acceptable face on swinging that conforms to the "normaity" instead of saying "swinging is about sex... period" if you dont like it or the idea... piss off, if you do... come on in and have fun.
Thanks for telling us all how we all should think... so we all ought to think like you???
swinging for me as as much about the social as well as the sex... am i wrong then???
shall we just agree to disagree on this one or shall i just piss off now????
all this time i find out i am on the wrong site.... it must have taken a while for the penny to finally drop!!!!
sean
RIGHT WE WILL NOW TRY TO ANSWER ALL YOUR POSTS BEST WE CAN
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Firstly we thank REDGIRLMANC ( yes we do remeber you from infusion ) NORFOLKBBW, WARMENIGMA and BURNIE for your kind comments glad you enjoyed the show.
Also to BURNIE you are right about the religious stuff with the americans, they are.Some of the cpls that were there said to us that they come from that type of backgound and found it difficult to let themselfs go and under no curcumstances could they tell their familes.They are 10 years behind us in the UK ( sex wise,clubs and such )They admit that themselfs.
SEAGULL69 The point about me ( chris ) not being gay is that iam not, i only said it 3 times all week and they just happen to put it in 3 times !!!! they thought it was funny and it gets my point accoss so iam happy with that, its only a bit of fun after all.As for the little willies comment by Lorraine it was just a general comment thats all, most men have little willies.( thats a fact we have been around to know )Lorraine likes them big as Chris is vwe.It was not meant to mean all americans have little willies, come on use your loaf ehh.On the older swingers we were just making a point that we dont want to play with oldies and on the thursday night they were all old and we mean old and we were then worried that the whole weekend was going to be like that.Younger cpls then came in on the Friday so all was well.You must remember that there was 40 hours of footage filmed for a show that was on for an hour !!!!
FABIO GROOVERIDER You are so right about us not going to these munches things as when we mix with swingers we want to swing not just chat and nibble nibbles.Nothing at all wrong with that as you say its just not our thing,if we want to just socialise we can go to the pub.We really dont see the point of attending clubs and not intending to play.We do understand first timers just wanting to see whats what as thats what we did the first time but then we went for it second time and not looked back since
On the performance of others that we talked about on cam we were asked questions and we answered them open and honest as thats how we are,we say it how it is,simple.The fact remains that the guy came with a BJ ( and coudnt repeat ) and Lorraine wanted fucking so i had ( chris ) to do the honors there as well.Not complaning as i love it.
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Firstly we thank REDGIRLMANC ( yes we do remeber you from infusion ) NORFOLKBBW, WARMENIGMA and BURNIE for your kind comments glad you enjoyed the show.
Also to BURNIE you are right about the religious stuff with the americans, they are.Some of the cpls that were there said to us that they come from that type of backgound and found it difficult to let themselfs go and under no curcumstances could they tell their familes.They are 10 years behind us in the UK ( sex wise,clubs and such )They admit that themselfs.
SEAGULL69 The point about me ( chris ) not being gay is that iam not, i only said it 3 times all week and they just happen to put it in 3 times !!!! they thought it was funny and it gets my point accoss so iam happy with that, its only a bit of fun after all.As for the little willies comment by Lorraine it was just a general comment thats all, most men have little willies.( thats a fact we have been around to know )Lorraine likes them big as Chris is vwe.It was not meant to mean all americans have little willies, come on use your loaf ehh.On the older swingers we were just making a point that we dont want to play with oldies and on the thursday night they were all old and we mean old and we were then worried that the whole weekend was going to be like that.Younger cpls then came in on the Friday so all was well.You must remember that there was 40 hours of footage filmed for a show that was on for an hour !!!!
FABIO GROOVERIDER You are so right about us not going to these munches things as when we mix with swingers we want to swing not just chat and nibble nibbles.Nothing at all wrong with that as you say its just not our thing,if we want to just socialise we can go to the pub.We really dont see the point of attending clubs and not intending to play.We do understand first timers just wanting to see whats what as thats what we did the first time but then we went for it second time and not looked back since
On the performance of others that we talked about on cam we were asked questions and we answered them open and honest as thats how we are,we say it how it is,simple.The fact remains that the guy came with a BJ ( and coudnt repeat ) and Lorraine wanted fucking so i had ( chris ) to do the honors there as well.Not complaning as i love it.
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