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davej wrote:




please try harder elliot, freckled bird is just gonna get miffed at ya.

......fuck it, thats two posts when you clearly told us only the one

....am I banned...am I?....am I?

Ice Pie wrote:

9. Is the new owner aware that the people who work so hard to keep SH alive and free do so out of love for the Community and loyalty to the founder? How does the new owner propose to inherit that loyalty? Has the new owner broken bread with anyone here? Does the new owner even remotely know anyone here?

10. Who are you? What is the name of your company? Is it familiar to Watchdog viewers? Why the big secret?

Ice Pie wrote:


Congratulations. And that qualifies you to run our website how exactly?

I have just a few questions (to begin with), mainly about your suitability to declare yourself fit to breeze in out of nowhere and put yourself in charge:


1. What interest does the new owner have in the SH Community?

2. Does the new owner know anything about or care anything about the SH Community?

3. Does the new owner expect the volunteer mods, ops, and other people working for the Community voluntarily behind the scenes to carry on doing so while a commercial concern benefits from that work?

4. How does the transfer of ownership to a commercial entity affect the Page One promise that Swinging Heaven will "NEVER" be a paysite?

5. Will the new owners expect to be paid royalties for the use of SH logos on Munch badges and tie pins, or will they regard it as free advertising?

6. How will the new owner, being apparently unfamiliar with the Community, know which group gatherings to sanction as site meets and which to regard as private parties?

7. Will the new owner respond to site-related communications addressed to the previous Administrator, or do I have to write the whole flucking lot out again?

8. To what extent has the previous Administrator's departure been influenced by the aggressive behaviour of certain members of a copycat/breakaway site, and how does the new owner propose to prevent further disruption from that source?

9. Is the new owner aware that the people who work so hard to keep SH alive and free do so out of love for the Community and loyalty to the founder? How does the new owner propose to inherit that loyalty? Has the new owner broken bread with anyone here? Does the new owner even remotely know anyone here?

10. Who are you? What is the name of your company? Is it familiar to Watchdog viewers? Why the big secret?

Elliot wrote:

Apologies to the questions i have missed, there are a lot, please post again if i missed them or was not clear enough.

davej wrote:

I suppose my only surprise is that....people are surprised was there really that kind of naivity around that folk thought the place would plod on forever without a commercial gain being made or being sought?....surely not.

Like everyone else I can only guess at events, but if you guess at a site starting out in a small way, with the owners not really knowing how it would grow and form itself, but then finding perhaps to thier surprise that the time and effort and I will also guess at a bit of cost as well, has made it grow into something that is much bigger than they envisaged and into something that now has a workload thats seriously impinging on life and a commercial value that can't be ignored, what would you do?...yep sell it! and why not. What the hell is so wrong about realising a worth on something you own and deciding to take that worth to provide for you and your own, cos I'm buggered if I can find fault in that.

So now there are new owners and those owners are going to try and make a shilling or two with thier new purchase. They have made thier initial announcement and already a few sticks and stones have been chucked over the walls at em. commercialism, greed, scammers, blah, blah, blah, well so what, someone sees an opening, sees an oppurtunity to add to thier existing business does the leg work splashes out the dosh and thats ohhh so wrong?....eerm no it isnt, its real life, you might not like it but thats pretty much how the world works, someone puts in the work, some starting capital and a business is born and on the back of that with a bit of luck comes a copper or two, ohhh and that terrible word as well....shall I say it?...shall I? ..go on then say it.....PROFIT.

Change can often be unpallatable, we all like the comfort of what we know, but change is ineviatable in nearly everything we do, touch and get involved in, sometimes for the better sometimes for the worse, but as sure as eggs are eggs it is with us all.

I ain't trying to piss on peoples concerns, but thus far its been said that the existing membership is gonna be uneffected, sort of tuped over and thats fine by me and if the time comes that the place changes into something that I don't like, or into something I can't afford, then I will open that same door that I opened when I walked into the place...the one marked 'free' and gently shut it behind me.

Best of luck to the old owners and best of luck to the new.

Clare and Steve wrote:

Id still like to know where all the answers are,it seems like "Elliott" doesnt seem to be that bothered at what we think

TallFunLondon wrote:

Just read all the way through and whilst i was annoyed to start with am now feeling a bit cynical about a few points....
.....the main one being the only point of law that has been brought up was by Reece and was mysteriously missing from Elliotts last response - surely if you are taking this on and run other sites as you say then you know the answer straight way.
Also not going to knock someone for mis-spelling - but seeing as you are the new owner and given fairly official replies then i would have thought you might check your grammer and spelling.
In other word there seems something a bit odd, possibly flipant and definately casual about all of this.

End of being cynical - it MIGHT be ok!!