Sex God
We are thinking about merging the Introduce Yourselve & Just For Fun areas with The Cafe, before we do that I'd like your feedback, so please vote in the poll or comment below.
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Forum Merge - Introductions, Just For Fun into The Cafe
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Sex God
Maybe you should merge identical threads first :giggle:
Edit: deleting them is cheating!
Edit: deleting them is cheating!
Sex God
I think a double merge (oo er missus) would be great - the Cafe can seema bit slow and lack of new posts discourages people from dropping in and posting.
I do reckon people (myself included) have left the Intros thread alone, leaving new posters feeling perhaps a bit ignored. If it comes back in here, I'm sure they will get more responses.
I do reckon people (myself included) have left the Intros thread alone, leaving new posters feeling perhaps a bit ignored. If it comes back in here, I'm sure they will get more responses.
Sex God
I voted to merge the three. If/when you move the introductions into the cafe I think they will basically cease to exist. Before that forum existed I dont recall many people doing an introduction post they just joined in. That forum as a whole has not worked. Just for fun has worked but I would still prefer to see it merged in. Threads "like last post wins" or "the five word story" make me want to kill myself 
However I am sure I do miss threads that I would find interesting and I am more than capable of selecting the ones I want to read :thumbup: Oh and it is nice to see you do pay attention too 
Overall having one busier forum makes the place look better IMHO. One hive of activity rather than tiny pockets.
However I am sure I do miss threads that I would find interesting and I am more than capable of selecting the ones I want to read :thumbup: Oh and it is nice to see you do pay attention too Overall having one busier forum makes the place look better IMHO. One hive of activity rather than tiny pockets.
Sex God
Quote by Danne
i have voted to leave them as they are
the choice i would like tho is to merge the cafe with the CA forum
Couldn't disagree more. The CA forum should never have existed it was a badly named attempt to move controversial topics out of the Cafe forum. If you go to the way back machine (just google it) and look at the forum prior to the current affairs forum being created you will see there are hardly any of the types of political/controversial thread in the cafe that now exist in CA. If you were to axe CA now I believe its existence has generated enough members who use it frequently enough for them to start posting those types of thread in the cafe. I dont think that would be a good mix. Now that those types of thread exist on the forum they should stay in the CA forum.
Sex God
Quote by flower411
i have voted to leave them as they are
the choice i would like tho is to merge the cafe with the CA forum
Couldn't disagree more. The CA forum should never have existed it was a badly named attempt to move controversial topics out of the Cafe forum. If you go to the way back machine (just google it) and look at the forum prior to the current affairs forum being created you will see there are hardly any of the types of political/controversial thread in the cafe that now exist in CA. If you were to axe CA now I believe its existence has generated enough members who use it frequently enough for them to start posting those types of thread in the cafe. I dont think that would be a good mix. Now that those types of thread exist on the forum they should stay in the CA forum.
Bollox !!
It just evolved cos two or three people couldn`t get along ....the "copy and paste a news article from the Sun" or whereever should be deleted out of hand but topical threads that are of interest should be in the cafe ...
I agree that the racist bigot or lefty tree hugger posts should be sent to the shredder.
No bollox
Heres a link to a random date prior to the CA forum being made
Lets play a game like wheres Wally only this time its where are the political threads?
When the site owners made a forum called Current affairs they created what exists now by providing an area for it. If you had a shopping forum or a pets forum people would discuss Shopping and pets in them
Sex God
Quote by Ben_welshminx
These are good points tweeky but if memory serves the cafe did have a regular selection of contentious threads for a year or two before the CA forum was established.
I am not clever enough to retrieve a tardis thingy tho.
Agreed but they did not seem to be politically related or not very often. They were more people falling out or disagreements about munchs etc. We had a whole series of silly threads about Munchs all down to a few things that happened at munchs. The thread about a SH magazine person being allowed to a munch. The thread about what one lady did to another whilst she stood on a table at a munch
What a debate that was. We had people saying that all physical contact like kissing would not be allowed at munchs. People left the site over these issues or threads. I really dont recall hardly any political debates and that link seems to show that. Use the wayback machine for yourself you can go to any point in time on the forum and maybe find some stuff I missed.Link below is the archive for the forum main page. You can skip to the dates shown and check out any period you like.
i still would like to merge the cafe and ca forum
i dont read the fun one or the introduction forums at all now (if im honest ...i find them boring) and i only have a quick look at the others
the forums i read most are the cafe and the ca and (for me) it makes sense to have them together
i have been here since july 2005 so i am aware of how the forums were then
but MY vote in this poll is about MY choice
sometimes the only things of interest here are the arguing threads :)
i dont read the fun one or the introduction forums at all now (if im honest ...i find them boring) and i only have a quick look at the others
the forums i read most are the cafe and the ca and (for me) it makes sense to have them together
i have been here since july 2005 so i am aware of how the forums were then
but MY vote in this poll is about MY choice
sometimes the only things of interest here are the arguing threads :)
Sex God
Quote by tweeky
Heres a link to a random date prior to the CA forum being made
Wow - that brought some memories flooding back!
And some sad ones - at least one of the thread starters is dead now
Sex God
i'm up for a full merge CA too
prefered it the way it was its way too slow these days might be why it doesn't hold my interest
prefered it the way it was its way too slow these days might be why it doesn't hold my interest
Wow tweeky thanks for that link.
It just goes to show how fallible memories can be. You are quite right the CA seems to have established a political soap box for threads that before would have either fallen by the wayside or been widely ignored.
Well, well, well. Do you think just getting rid of it would work? I have always agreed with you that having a CA forum makes as much sense as having a cookery forum or a fishing forum.
It just goes to show how fallible memories can be. You are quite right the CA seems to have established a political soap box for threads that before would have either fallen by the wayside or been widely ignored.
Well, well, well. Do you think just getting rid of it would work? I have always agreed with you that having a CA forum makes as much sense as having a cookery forum or a fishing forum.
Quote by Ben_welshminx
Well, well, well. Do you think just getting rid of it would work? I have always agreed with you that having a CA forum makes as much sense as having a cookery forum or a fishing forum.
The swinging community is a broad church (note the small "c"!!).
In Edit: that should be "please" note the small "c"...
In France, you cook then you fuck so a cookery forum would be quite acceptable from our point of view.
If you were to analyse the subject of postings across the whole spectrum, I think you might find that there is very little sex discussion in The Café - indeed, with some of the discussions in the CA, sex may well feature more prominently :grin:
As for fishing... only sad people fish
Sex God
If it was a sex only forum it would be shite. It's nice for people with similar hobby interests to be able to chat about other stuff as well and if i'm with friends in a cafe then we discuss everything and anything bar our 'hobby' unless we're with swingers. It seems tome the forums here reflect that with the added benefit of being able to drop fisting or anal sex type discussions into the mix - Forum should be diverse and inclusive for all subjects and kept in one place.
Sex God
I'd merge most of it back into the cafe, CA included.
JFF type threads I'm not arsed about any which way. I'd find them as easily ignorable if they were in the Cafe as they are in their own little forum, but they serve a purpose in that they make it easy for new posters to get involved.
The intro forum clearly hasn't worked. I can't remember the last time I looked at it, but I just have now, and most of the posts on page 1 haven't had a single reply. Back in the day I'd generally make some sort of effort to welcome newbies and encourage them to post, as would others, and that's been lost.
The CA forum IMO was created in the first place because certain kinds of posters and certain kinds of topics were deemed to be poisoning the atmosphere of the Cafe, and so they were hived off into their own little ghetto where people could ignore them more easily. In giving those kinds of posters and those kinds of threads a free run, in what is despite some people's contention a very loosely moderated forum indeed, all that's happened I think is that the atmosphere on the forum in general has been poisoned still further, because the combative posting styles displayed in there spill over into other forums. That's not a criticism of anyone in particular cos I'm as guilty of it as anyone. Merge the lot and I suspect there'd be a lot less of it.
N x x x ;)
JFF type threads I'm not arsed about any which way. I'd find them as easily ignorable if they were in the Cafe as they are in their own little forum, but they serve a purpose in that they make it easy for new posters to get involved.
The intro forum clearly hasn't worked. I can't remember the last time I looked at it, but I just have now, and most of the posts on page 1 haven't had a single reply. Back in the day I'd generally make some sort of effort to welcome newbies and encourage them to post, as would others, and that's been lost.
The CA forum IMO was created in the first place because certain kinds of posters and certain kinds of topics were deemed to be poisoning the atmosphere of the Cafe, and so they were hived off into their own little ghetto where people could ignore them more easily. In giving those kinds of posters and those kinds of threads a free run, in what is despite some people's contention a very loosely moderated forum indeed, all that's happened I think is that the atmosphere on the forum in general has been poisoned still further, because the combative posting styles displayed in there spill over into other forums. That's not a criticism of anyone in particular cos I'm as guilty of it as anyone. Merge the lot and I suspect there'd be a lot less of it.
N x x x ;)
Sex God
Quote by GnV
If the CA is merged with The Café, will the 3 strikes and you're out rule apply equally in there too or is everybody in The Café so nice it's no longer required
You've highlighted the problem nicely GnV. It would seem to some extent that CA and the Cafe are moderated differently, at least in many posters' imaginations if not in reality. You can IMO get away with stuff in CA that would never have been previously tolerated, and wouldn't be tolerated still in the Cafe. Trouble is, if you allow certain sorts of behaviour in one area of the site, you then have to allow the same sort of behaviour elsewhere, because otherwise people get confused about what is, and what isn't acceptable, and then bitch and moan endlessly when they get a ban? ;) Just merge the lot and make things simple for users and moderators alike.
N x x x ;)
Sex God
Quote by neilinleeds
I'd merge most of it back into the cafe, CA included.
JFF type threads I'm not arsed about any which way. I'd find them as easily ignorable if they were in the Cafe as they are in their own little forum, but they serve a purpose in that they make it easy for new posters to get involved.
The intro forum clearly hasn't worked. I can't remember the last time I looked at it, but I just have now, and most of the posts on page 1 haven't had a single reply. Back in the day I'd generally make some sort of effort to welcome newbies and encourage them to post, as would others, and that's been lost.
The CA forum IMO was created in the first place because certain kinds of posters and certain kinds of topics were deemed to be poisoning the atmosphere of the Cafe, and so they were hived off into their own little ghetto where people could ignore them more easily. In giving those kinds of posters and those kinds of threads a free run, in what is despite some people's contention a very loosely moderated forum indeed, all that's happened I think is that the atmosphere on the forum in general has been poisoned still further, because the combative posting styles displayed in there spill over into other forums. That's not a criticism of anyone in particular cos I'm as guilty of it as anyone. Merge the lot and I suspect there'd be a lot less of it.
N x x x ;)
This! :thumbup:
Quote by neilinleeds
If the CA is merged with The Café, will the 3 strikes and you're out rule apply equally in there too or is everybody in The Café so nice it's no longer required
You've highlighted the problem nicely GnV. It would seem to some extent that CA and the Cafe are moderated differently, at least in many posters' imaginations if not in reality. You can IMO get away with stuff in CA that would never have been previously tolerated, and wouldn't be tolerated still in the Cafe. Trouble is, if you allow certain sorts of behaviour in one area of the site, you then have to allow the same sort of behaviour elsewhere, because otherwise people get confused about what is, and what isn't acceptable, and then bitch and moan endlessly when they get a ban? ;) Just merge the lot and make things simple for users and moderators alike.
N x x x ;)
Thanks for that neil.
The Café was always in my mind very cliquey and if you were not in the "in" crowd, it was always very difficult to make any worthwhile point without being slapped down or totally blanked.
The CA has a different temperament altogether; interesting that you should say more "fault" tolerant than The Café but it is the CA which has probably generated more "casualties" than any other I think.
I've always felt comfortable in the CA and a bit nervous of The Café to be honest. There is certainly a more spirited and combative style in the CA which is no bad thing but perhaps it just reflects my own style more closely.
If I may say, Dave_Notts seems to have taken the mantle of CA moderator/Agent Provocateur for the CA and is not in any way shy of adding his weight to an argument (or indeed making a few of his own) which I believe adds to the success of the CA overall.
does that wipe my slate clean now Dave?
Sex God
I really like reading the CA though I post rarely as I can't be arsed with the almost at times fanatical research and work that goes into it's discussions/debates/arguments/goading. This is certainly not an indictment on the CA more envy I guess at my lack of willing to put the google footwork in before posting and then arguing the toss ad-nauseum over technicalities but a big up for those who do.
In saying this the CA has taken some of the people who posted interesting stuff away from the cafe leaving the cafe wanting and undermanned. The cafe forum needs the mix of all topics for me as i like to spill over from topic to topic without having to leave the room.
I've come to realise new posters will always have to suffer the feelings of having the proverbial shit kicked out of them but there are those that will support and encourage them as well so maybe it's horses for courses in the end./ Those posters who have been banned in recent times are a loss to SH forums as by enlarge their contributions over time have been great and very worthwhile. Although, I can see that at one point on time things were going awry and moods were not in good places the posts became acrimonious childish and petulant and something had to be done. A shame really as I feel the reprisals were too harsh but hey I wasn't privvy to behind the scenes.
Get the cafe back to full strength lets have lively discussions together with silliness sadness and the lame but necessary welcome and happy whatever day threads.
As for moderation? No one says we cant complain or whinge or applaud how it takes place but its done by people who are just that, people. There are rules which must be adhered to and has to be done by interpreting them with their own ideas and opinions, and as such, the way the moderation tales place can appear, especially to those affected at any given point, to be uneven, whether or not it is matters not. They are moderators and have been chosen, by the administration, based on their willingness and integrity to do what is best.
In saying this the CA has taken some of the people who posted interesting stuff away from the cafe leaving the cafe wanting and undermanned. The cafe forum needs the mix of all topics for me as i like to spill over from topic to topic without having to leave the room.
I've come to realise new posters will always have to suffer the feelings of having the proverbial shit kicked out of them but there are those that will support and encourage them as well so maybe it's horses for courses in the end./ Those posters who have been banned in recent times are a loss to SH forums as by enlarge their contributions over time have been great and very worthwhile. Although, I can see that at one point on time things were going awry and moods were not in good places the posts became acrimonious childish and petulant and something had to be done. A shame really as I feel the reprisals were too harsh but hey I wasn't privvy to behind the scenes.
Get the cafe back to full strength lets have lively discussions together with silliness sadness and the lame but necessary welcome and happy whatever day threads.
As for moderation? No one says we cant complain or whinge or applaud how it takes place but its done by people who are just that, people. There are rules which must be adhered to and has to be done by interpreting them with their own ideas and opinions, and as such, the way the moderation tales place can appear, especially to those affected at any given point, to be uneven, whether or not it is matters not. They are moderators and have been chosen, by the administration, based on their willingness and integrity to do what is best.
Quote by GnV
The Café was always in my mind very cliquey and if you were not in the "in" crowd, it was always very difficult to make any worthwhile point without being slapped down or totally blanked.
The CA has a different temperament altogether; interesting that you should say more "fault" tolerant than The Café but it is the CA which has probably generated more "casualties" than any other I think.
I've always felt comfortable in the CA and a bit nervous of The Café to be honest. There is certainly a more spirited and combative style in the CA which is no bad thing but perhaps it just reflects my own style more closely.
If I may say, Dave_Notts seems to have taken the mantle of CA moderator/Agent Provocateur for the CA and is not in any way shy of adding his weight to an argument (or indeed making a few of his own) which I believe adds to the success of the CA overall.
does that wipe my slate clean now Dave?
I find myself siding with you on this G.
I personally use two parts of the forum. The first is the Cafe and that is to talk bollox, have a bloody good belly laugh, meet new people, and to see general questions on swinging being answered because usually I have wanted to ask them but didn't want to look more of a prat than I usually look.
The other part is the CA. This is because I like a good debate. I love the way that some people do research the topic so deeply because it means that I am learning from it. Why don't I join a forum that debates current affairs? Thats because, in those forums, it is populated by people who I do not have a connection with. In this one, we are all part of the same community and have more in common than differences. In short, I am debating with friends rather than strangers. Some of us have debated with, for and against each other, and I can honestly say that I do not hold any bad feelings against any member.........not even you G
and there never was a slate to wipe clean you daft begger. The CA allows me to see the true person......the member allows me into their innermost thoughts and the processes that lead to those thoughts. It is a priviledge that they have allowed me to share their inner most thoughts about certain topics......even when we do not agree. Thats why I like it. Dave_Notts
Quote by Lost
Those posters who have been banned in recent times are a loss to SH forums as by enlarge their contributions over time have been great and very worthwhile. Although, I can see that at one point on time things were going awry and moods were not in good places the posts became acrimonious childish and petulant and something had to be done. A shame really as I feel the reprisals were too harsh but hey I wasn't privvy to behind the scenes..
And he mods fully understand how these things look to fellow site members. The problem is that moderation is like the proverbial ice burg - site members only see the public piece. Behind the scenes a lot of other stuff goes on, and it would be very wrong for all that to be public. Suffice it to say that the mods and Admin do all we can to moderate people's attitude when it cuts across the AUP, and wherever possible we try to guide them to safe ground. Unfortunately that's not always possible, and further actions need to be taken. However, I'm sure I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said many times before. ;-)
Quote by Lost
As for moderation? No one says we cant complain or whinge or applaud how it takes place but its done by people who are just that, people. There are rules which must be adhered to and has to be done by interpreting them with their own ideas and opinions, and as such, the way the moderation tales place can appear, especially to those affected at any given point, to be uneven, whether or not it is matters not. They are moderators and have been chosen, by the administration, based on their willingness and integrity to do what is best.
I couldn't have put that better myself! :thumbup:
Quote by Lost
In saying this the CA has taken some of the people who posted interesting stuff away from the cafe leaving the cafe wanting and undermanned. The cafe forum needs the mix of all topics for me as i like to spill over from topic to topic without having to leave the room. .
That's what I believe too, which is why I voted to merge the two back together. :-)
Edit: I thought that's how I voted, but it seems I misread the poll!
Sex God
Well so far folks if this were a general election the
Merge both the intro forum & fun forum with the cafe party
Is going to get a huge majority in the house.
Seems to be an outside debate for a new party too though!
Merge both the intro forum & fun forum with the cafe party
Is going to get a huge majority in the house.
Seems to be an outside debate for a new party too though!
