I have just be observing the forums of late, rather then being a contributor as I thought I would step out for a while, as some might know I use to have a lot to say.
What I have been doing is observed the forums, it is fascinating to watch and just observe as you are not drawn in and lost just responded to a few threads, but get to see all the threads and take more of an overall view.
Peoples interpretation of words is fascinating to watch, I said in another thread words here are like art or music. Each person will a have a different view of what someone else has posted. Others will try and analyse there meaning and attack.
As like art and music you will never be able to analyse what the poster has posted or always understand their motive.
Only the poster knows how they feel at that time and what was intended with what they posted.
I think too many people here are trying to analysis others and that is where the art of debate falls on its feet, the only way to understand anyone and there motives is to question, to question then causes a good debate as the person then responses with an answer.
It is no good in my opinion to analyse and tell the person what they are thinking, as thinking changes from day to day as does mood etc.
But then I could be talking a load of bollox as I normally do!
Analytic thought provoking responses welcome!
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Interpretation of words!
I have been looking in at the forum on and off for about three weeks now. I find it a refreshing change from the predictable comments that are oh so frequent in the chat rooms!!
However, over the past week the posts that I have been reading, are full of folk sniping at each other, and people changing the original context of a post, by posting replies that really should be sent by private message, some postings are reading more like private messages to one another!
This is intended as a personal general observation from me, as I do not know most of the contributers on here, so I am not having a pop!!!!
Lucy.
However, over the past week the posts that I have been reading, are full of folk sniping at each other, and people changing the original context of a post, by posting replies that really should be sent by private message, some postings are reading more like private messages to one another!
This is intended as a personal general observation from me, as I do not know most of the contributers on here, so I am not having a pop!!!!
Lucy.
Sex God
Ah, the English language, so many word, each with it's own subtle shade of meaning. Such a shame we are all colour blind...and become so fixed on our own understanding of the word, we forget others have a different view.
Quote by GnV
I used to have a sticker on my filing cabinet which said..
Control the conversation - ask questions
I picked up on this point as indeed it is true.
But to control a conversation is not the same as being in control.
To me to have control there has to be some kind of logic.
To also have control you have to listen to others and respond with a logical questions.
Control to me is a strong word.
But to see it in the contents as you put I understand it. Some might feel that as having control or needing it.
So I can see where you are coming from.
Thank you hope you can.
who, what, why, when are the favoured words here I believe
Such easy words to use as take little thought.
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Ah, the English language, so many word, each with it's own subtle shade of meaning. Such a shame we are all colour blind...and become so fixed on our own understanding of the word, we forget others have a different view.
I agree with you!
We all have meaning of what we write as we are thinking as we write the words. Some words are easy to understand as they are direct and to the point. But others can add a word or two so you are never quite sure entirely what is meant by them.
Fascinating stuff!
Quote by varca
I too love our colourful language. And you are correct, so much of the written word is open to an individuals understanding and perception of words
Usually if that person is familiar with anothers posting style then the use of particular words will nearly always be taken in context.
I dont totally agree with you here.
People can change moods which then could lead them to write something that is then taken out of context.
I see it happen frequently here.
I believe it has happened to yourself.
What was written was taken out of context!
Also I have seen it happen to overs too, as people generally pigeon hole people into a boxes, this I feel is unfair and unjustifed.
As people change moods change.
If unfamiliar, then the interpretation and context perceived could be way off the mark unless the post is littered with smileys etc and even then things can be totally misconstrued :lol2:
To question I believe is the only way to understand someones intent, even then it is hard as we all have a different style in writting.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Ah, the English language, so many word, each with it's own subtle shade of meaning. Such a shame we are all colour blind...and become so fixed on our own understanding of the word, we forget others have a different view.
I agree with you!
We all have meaning of what we write as we are thinking as we write the words. Some words are easy to understand as they are direct and to the point. But others can add a word or two so you are never quite sure entirely what is meant by them.
Fascinating stuff!
its good isn't it...:wink:
but then again i like to be blunt.....its just a shame that by doing either and speaking the truth (as one sees it), you often get the most outrageous reactions from some.....me included sometimes!
Sex God
Quote by DeeCee
Ah, the English language, so many word, each with it's own subtle shade of meaning. Such a shame we are all colour blind...and become so fixed on our own understanding of the word, we forget others have a different view.
I agree with you!
We all have meaning of what we write as we are thinking as we write the words. Some words are easy to understand as they are direct and to the point. But others can add a word or two so you are never quite sure entirely what is meant by them.
Fascinating stuff!
its good isn't it...:wink:
but then again i like to be blunt.....its just a shame that by doing either and speaking the truth (as one sees it), you often get the most outrageous reactions from some.....me included sometimes!Even the impact of something blunt like lead piping can be damaging. :wink:
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Ah, the English language, so many word, each with it's own subtle shade of meaning. Such a shame we are all colour blind...and become so fixed on our own understanding of the word, we forget others have a different view.
I agree with you!
We all have meaning of what we write as we are thinking as we write the words. Some words are easy to understand as they are direct and to the point. But others can add a word or two so you are never quite sure entirely what is meant by them.
Fascinating stuff!
its good isn't it...:wink:
but then again i like to be blunt.....its just a shame that by doing either and speaking the truth (as one sees it), you often get the most outrageous reactions from some.....me included sometimes!Even the impact of something blunt like lead piping can be damaging. :wink:
exactly.........
i guess it depends on the thickness of ones skin, so to speak.
but sometimes you feel the urge to beat an idiot round the head with an idea until they see the sense in it!!
Quote by DeeCee
Ah, the English language, so many word, each with it's own subtle shade of meaning. Such a shame we are all colour blind...and become so fixed on our own understanding of the word, we forget others have a different view.
I agree with you!
We all have meaning of what we write as we are thinking as we write the words. Some words are easy to understand as they are direct and to the point. But others can add a word or two so you are never quite sure entirely what is meant by them.
Fascinating stuff!
its good isn't it...:wink:
but then again i like to be blunt.....its just a shame that by doing either and speaking the truth (as one sees it), you often get the most outrageous reactions from some.....me included sometimes!
I can do blunt! :twisted:
what I find a shame is to see people having to defend themselves as then you have lost the conversation we should stick to the main points of debate and ignore the snipes as it is only someone’s misreading what is written.
We don't all see things with the same view. Wouldn’t life just be boring then
I have enjoyed many a debate with strong views from different people if I am unsure of a post I wouldn’t jump to conclusions I would ask for classification.
Isn't it the understanding of a post the thing that makes us wiser even though we might disagree :dunno:
Quote by DeeCee
Ah, the English language, so many word, each with it's own subtle shade of meaning. Such a shame we are all colour blind...and become so fixed on our own understanding of the word, we forget others have a different view.
I agree with you!
We all have meaning of what we write as we are thinking as we write the words. Some words are easy to understand as they are direct and to the point. But others can add a word or two so you are never quite sure entirely what is meant by them.
Fascinating stuff!
its good isn't it...:wink:
but then again i like to be blunt.....its just a shame that by doing either and speaking the truth (as one sees it), you often get the most outrageous reactions from some.....me included sometimes!Even the impact of something blunt like lead piping can be damaging. :wink:
exactly.........
i guess it depends on the thickness of ones skin, so to speak.
but sometimes you feel the urge to beat an idiot round the head with an idea until they see the sense in it!!
But some people heads are to thick to feel the impact!
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Ah, the English language, so many word, each with it's own subtle shade of meaning. Such a shame we are all colour blind...and become so fixed on our own understanding of the word, we forget others have a different view.
I agree with you!
We all have meaning of what we write as we are thinking as we write the words. Some words are easy to understand as they are direct and to the point. But others can add a word or two so you are never quite sure entirely what is meant by them.
Fascinating stuff!
its good isn't it...:wink:
but then again i like to be blunt.....its just a shame that by doing either and speaking the truth (as one sees it), you often get the most outrageous reactions from some.....me included sometimes!Even the impact of something blunt like lead piping can be damaging. :wink:
exactly.........
i guess it depends on the thickness of ones skin, so to speak.
but sometimes you feel the urge to beat an idiot round the head with an idea until they see the sense in it!!
But some people heads are to thick to feel the impact!
whoops sorry that was a bit blunt!
Sex God
There is no doubt that language is a jugaught, with is own momentum, but there are some words that really should keep their meaning, like 'no'.
Most words that come into English from other languages have their meaning changed, just a bit, but they carve out a place for themselves. English, just because it is spoken by so many, will keep growing.
Most words that come into English from other languages have their meaning changed, just a bit, but they carve out a place for themselves. English, just because it is spoken by so many, will keep growing.
Quote by flower411
It`s just a way that some people use to try to draw attention away from what they were saying in the first place.
Or what they were saying in the first place was based on the literal definition of the words used then along come other people who give the words a newer 'evolved' definition and get it totally wrong requiring the first person to have to explain. An unnecessary process if people kept to the written down definitions. That's what standards are for, to prevent misunderstandings.
Quote by flower411
It`s just a way that some people use to try to draw attention away from what they were saying in the first place.
Or what they were saying in the first place was based on the literal definition of the words used then along come other people who give the words a newer 'evolved' definition and get it totally wrong requiring the first person to have to explain. An unnecessary process if people kept to the written down definitions. That's what standards are for, to prevent misunderstandings.
I`m sorry ... I have no idea what you mean ..
Apology accepted.
Quote by flower411
It`s just a way that some people use to try to draw attention away from what they were saying in the first place.
Or what they were saying in the first place was based on the literal definition of the words used then along come other people who give the words a newer 'evolved' definition and get it totally wrong requiring the first person to have to explain. An unnecessary process if people kept to the written down definitions. That's what standards are for, to prevent misunderstandings.
Your friend ...The Oxford English dictionary is actually updated on occassion.
The reason it has to be updated is that language has evolved. The dictionary would not have to be updated if we all kept to the written down definitions.
But even those that write down the definitions understand that the meanings of some words and phrases can change. It is part of the richness of English that allows "common use" to change the meanings of words.
One of the most annoying changes in recent years has to be "Institutionalised Racism" .....The phrase is a nonsense but has been taken into the English language in an extremely short space of time and appears to have been accepted, mainly because everybody thinks they know what it means because it "sounds" right.
Please note I did say "written down", I didn't say written down when. Contrary to the conclusion you seem to be jumping to, I wasn't referring to Samuel Johnson's original version.
Quote by Peanut
It`s just a way that some people use to try to draw attention away from what they were saying in the first place.
Or what they were saying in the first place was based on the literal definition of the words used then along come other people who give the words a newer 'evolved' definition and get it totally wrong requiring the first person to have to explain. An unnecessary process if people kept to the written down definitions. That's what standards are for, to prevent misunderstandings.
Aah yes, but we are humans. We evolve, we make mistakes, we move on, the coversation flows.
If someone has to explain, so be it. We don't want to have to be referring to dictionaries for fear of being corrected.
If we know the correct word/spelling/definition, fine. If we don't, it's no biggie, as my 16 year old students say.
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An unnecessary process if people kept to the written down definitions. That's what standards are for, to prevent misunderstandings.
I fail to see how flags bearing regimental colours can prevent misunderstandings on a swingers forum
SI
(sigh for those that didn't get the joke!)
Sex God
Quote by DeeCee
Ah, the English language, so many word, each with it's own subtle shade of meaning. Such a shame we are all colour blind...and become so fixed on our own understanding of the word, we forget others have a different view.
I agree with you!
We all have meaning of what we write as we are thinking as we write the words. Some words are easy to understand as they are direct and to the point. But others can add a word or two so you are never quite sure entirely what is meant by them.
Fascinating stuff!
its good isn't it...:wink:
but then again i like to be blunt.....its just a shame that by doing either and speaking the truth (as one sees it), you often get the most outrageous reactions from some.....me included sometimes!Even the impact of something blunt like lead piping can be damaging. :wink:
exactly.........
i guess it depends on the thickness of ones skin, so to speak.
but sometimes you feel the urge to beat an idiot round the head with an idea until they see the sense in it!!Now we have more than one mean to some many words. They are all the more powerful for that.
I love the English language.
Master of Sex
Language,by its very nature is primarily verbal and as such,written representation of that language will always lag behind changing uses of words
Sex God
Quote by annejohn
Language,by its very nature is primarily verbal and as such,written representation of that language will always lag behind changing uses of words
I'm sure this is true. I've heard it said that when someone gives a presentation about sixty percent of the meaning acquired by the audience is due to body language, 30 percent by verbal intonation and 10 percent by what is actually on the screen. (not sure about the %s but it's roughly right - why do I feel the need to say that??
)Many people, including me, sometimes fail to get their meaning across by either being careless or by not using the right words. But I am sure there are people here who deliberately use ambiguity or use perversity without indicating that it is humorous just to see if others will bite and then take great pleasure in playing it the 'other' way for a bit of sport. That's trolling because without the body language or verbal intonation the reader hasn't got a chance. It is probably the most pernicious sort of behaviour on a forum like this.
Good thread Minxy!! :thumbup:
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Sex God
As Tune said....
All too often we all know what was meant by a certain comment but the poster will use the fact that it can be taken both ways as an invitation to say it means the opposite to the way it is taken....
And certain emoticons like ;-) can be used to disguise the true meanings behind words/comments....
All too often we all know what was meant by a certain comment but the poster will use the fact that it can be taken both ways as an invitation to say it means the opposite to the way it is taken....
And certain emoticons like ;-) can be used to disguise the true meanings behind words/comments....
Quote by Steve
As Tune said....
All too often we all know what was meant by a certain comment but the poster will use the fact that it can be taken both ways as an invitation to say it means the opposite to the way it is taken....
And certain emoticons like ;-) can be used to disguise the true meanings behind words/comments....
Yep, but it can also be used in a good way to soften a point which might seem harsh - I've seen mods use this when they need to admonish without wanting to hurt someone.
The one that bugs me is
when it's used to put someone down. 
Quote by Steve
All too often we all know what was meant by a certain comment but the poster will use the fact that it can be taken both ways as an invitation to say it means the opposite to the way it is taken....
No you can't ever "know". Invariably your conclusion will depend on what side of an argument/debate you're coming from.
Just because you think you know what the person actually meant does not mean either that you're correct or that he/she's changed the meaning of what they initially said.
Sometimes it just suits one's purpose to try to read something into what was said when all the time there wasn't actually anything there other that what was actually said. It does no good to use your own values as an aid in understanding someone else's words.
