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Quote by Kaznkev There is a good discussion to be had about the movement of scots to Ireland in the 17 th century,the history of the tory party in Ireland(most reforms have happened under them).The class structure,lack of cross cutting cleavages and anti catholic hysteria.

Quite frankly i cant be bothered.Find an irrelevant picture to post and a better forum to argue politics on.


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Yup,one of the sexiest women ever,the word smouldering doesnt do her justice!

 

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Quote by flower411 And please don`t start telling me that there is peace in Northern Ireland !!!!!



What would you call it then?

I admit it is fragile but after so many years of hatred and deaths in NI, at least the majority has stopped,plus no bombs going off on the British mainland.

Do not know too much about this subject to be honest, but were Adams and Mcguiness not IRA terrorists?

They were from the political wing of the IRA so I presume they were involved at some point in the NI atrocities.

The British Government had to deal with them in the end for the NI peace process to go ahead.The British Government had to sit around a table with them. Does it make a difference whether it is a priest or anyone else, or is this really a knock a Catholic thread.

I am more concerned that killers like the ones on Saturday, 15 August 1998 at Omagh, killing 29 people.

Nobody was ever convicted of that....Seamus McKenna, Michael McKevitt, Liam Campbell, Colm Murphy and Seamus Daly were only sued...justice eh?


As far as I can make out Father James Chesney's alleged wrongdoings are just that....alleged. Some of the RUC members at the time are now dead, so they cannot give evidence.


A investigation into this priest and a possible conviction, and I use the word possible here,would only ignite NI into another furnace of trouble.

Can you imagine what the Catholics would say if this Priest was convicted, but more importantly what some of the Catholics would do. This may or may not be right, but would pursuing this really leave NI in a better position? Somehow I think the already fragile peace there would not be like that for long, and who really wants to see it all start up again?

Sometimes just like all the killers who have been released from the Maize prison early under the Good Friday agreement, you have to look at the much wider picture in all this.


James Chesney is dead. Even in northern Ireland they don't prosecute dead people. You could have googled that

 



Glad you did....you are so predictable.

 

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Quote by flower411 And please don`t start telling me that there is peace in Northern Ireland !!!!!



What would you call it then?

I admit it is fragile but after so many years of hatred and deaths in NI, at least the majority has stopped,plus no bombs going off on the British mainland.

Do not know too much about this subject to be honest, but were Adams and Mcguiness not IRA terrorists?

They were from the political wing of the IRA so I presume they were involved at some point in the NI atrocities.

The British Government had to deal with them in the end for the NI peace process to go ahead.The British Government had to sit around a table with them. Does it make a difference whether it is a priest or anyone else, or is this really a knock a Catholic thread.

I am more concerned that killers like the ones on Saturday, 15 August 1998 at Omagh, killing 29 people.

Nobody was ever convicted of that....Seamus McKenna, Michael McKevitt, Liam Campbell, Colm Murphy and Seamus Daly were only sued...justice eh?


As far as I can make out Father James Chesney's alleged wrongdoings are just that....alleged. Some of the RUC members at the time are now dead, so they cannot give evidence.

A investigation into this priest and a possible conviction, and I use the word possible here,would only ignite NI into another furnace of trouble.

Can you imagine what the Catholics would say if this Priest was convicted, but more importantly what some of the Catholics would do
. This may or may not be right, but would pursuing this really leave NI in a better position? Somehow I think the already fragile peace there would not be like that for long, and who really wants to see it all start up again?

Sometimes just like all the killers who have been released from the Maize prison early under the Good Friday agreement, you have to look at the much wider picture in all this.


So you are advocating the protection from prosecution of religious leaders on the grounds that it may incite their followers to further violence .

There`s an interesting U turn !!!

 

Quote by flower411 So you are advocating the protection from prosecution of religious leaders on the grounds that it may incite their followers to further violence .

There`s an interesting U turn !!!



I personally do not care to be honest.

All I have said is it will do more harm to the current peace process than good.

The IRA have sat around a table with British politicians, where we know the like of Adams and Mcguiness have taken part in terrorist activities in the past.

Would that not be double standards to then try and convict someone for similar crimes?

For me the difference here is the fact he was/is a priest.

I do not confess to know a huge ammount about NI,what I do know is currently there is peace of a sort, and to convict a Catholic priest when things are so fragile, would possibly ignite huge trouble in the province.

I am sure that most would not want that.

 

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Quote by flower411 So you are advocating the protection from prosecution of religious leaders on the grounds that it may incite their followers to further violence .

There`s an interesting U turn !!!



I personally do not care to be honest.

All I have said is it will do more harm to the current peace process than good.

The IRA have sat around a table with British politicians, where we know the like of Adams and Mcguiness have taken part in terrorist activities in the past.

Would that not be double standards to then try and convict someone for similar crimes?

For me the difference here is the fact he was/is a priest.

I do not confess to know a huge ammount about NI,what I do know is currently there is peace of a sort, and to convict a Catholic priest when things are so fragile, would possibly ignite huge trouble in the province.

I am sure that most would not want that.


My personal views are pretty irrelevent here ..... I`m assuming that you`d be happy for the government to sit down and negotiate with members of Hamas or Al Qaeda if hostilities were reduced .

I`m making this assumption because you appear to be happy that negotiations are going on with factions of the IRA while bombs are still going off .

I mentioned U turns because you have made quite clear on numerous occasions your views of muslim religious leaders "inciting" terrorism but you appear to find it acceptable that a catholic priests alleged involvment in a bombing that killed an 8 year old child cleaning her parents windows should be covered up ...

Me .....I`d shoot the fuckin lot of em ...... I `m trying to work out why you have a problem with muslims but find it ok for catholics

 

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Quote by flower411 So you are advocating the protection from prosecution of religious leaders on the grounds that it may incite their followers to further violence .

There`s an interesting U turn !!!



I personally do not care to be honest.

All I have said is it will do more harm to the current peace process than good.

The IRA have sat around a table with British politicians, where we know the like of Adams and Mcguiness have taken part in terrorist activities in the past.

Would that not be double standards to then try and convict someone for similar crimes?

For me the difference here is the fact he was/is a priest.

I do not confess to know a huge ammount about NI,what I do know is currently there is peace of a sort, and to convict a Catholic priest when things are so fragile, would possibly ignite huge trouble in the province.

I am sure that most would not want that.


My personal views are pretty irrelevent here ..... I`m assuming that you`d be happy for the government to sit down and negotiate with members of Hamas or Al Qaeda if hostilities were reduced .

I`m making this assumption because you appear to be happy that negotiations are going on with factions of the IRA while bombs are still going off .

I mentioned U turns because you have made quite clear on numerous occasions your views of muslim religious leaders "inciting" terrorism but you appear to find it acceptable that a catholic priests alleged involvment in a bombing that killed an 8 year old child cleaning her parents windows should be covered up ...

Me .....I`d shoot the fuckin lot of em ...... I `m trying to work out why you have a problem with muslims but find it ok for catholics



Firstly like most I believe I want to see a peace in NI. There are always two arguements in any war/dispute...call it what you will.

Yes you would be right to assume that whilst I may not be happy with this Government sitting around a table with Al Qaeda or whoever, sometimes dialogue is the only way the fighting and the deaths will hopefully cease....you seem to have this notion that I am happy to be at war, which I am not.

My political views on either NI or Afghanistan is a separate issue here.

For the record I have no problem with Muslims, but I do have a problem with the faith. That does not mean that I do not want to see an end to hostilities in Afghanistan.My one and only concerns there are our troops..........nobody else.

Anyway this is all conjecture is it not?

This is all alleged and until charges are brought against anyone, should we not just sit back and see if there is any truth in all this?

 

I have made my views on negotiation very clear elsewhere....and may I had had them disagreed with by certain parties....If the price of peace (fragile though it may be)is that some go unpunished for their crimes,I for one am quite happy to live with that compromise

 

Quote by Staggerlee_BB I have made my views on negotiation very clear elsewhere....and may I had had them disagreed with by certain parties....If the price of peace (fragile though it may be)is that some go unpunished for their crimes,I for one am quite happy to live with that compromise



Fuck Staggs I actually agree with you.

 

Quote by Staggerlee_BB I have made my views on negotiation very clear elsewhere....and may I had had them disagreed with by certain parties....If the price of peace (fragile though it may be)is that some go unpunished for their crimes,I for one am quite happy to live with that compromise


i have to agree, i think a south African style Truth and Reconciliation set up would be the best route forward.Closure might be a hippy word,but it is a valid concept.

 

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Quote by Staggerlee_BB I have made my views on negotiation very clear elsewhere....and may I had had them disagreed with by certain parties....If the price of peace (fragile though it may be)is that some go unpunished for their crimes,I for one am quite happy to live with that compromise



Fuck Staggs I actually agree with you.


That would be the sound of hell freezing over I hear then

 

 

Quote by Staggerlee_BB I have made my views on negotiation very clear elsewhere....and may I had had them disagreed with by certain parties....If the price of peace (fragile though it may be)is that some go unpunished for their crimes,I for one am quite happy to live with that compromise


I`m assuming that your use of the word fragile is refering to the killings and knee cappings that continue in Northern Ireland .....Unfortunately this thread is discussing a cover up from many years before anybody was negotiating "peace". It`s the fact that a priest was removed from the scene because it was suspected that he was involved in terrorism ....At the time nobody else was afforded this kind of treatment !! We were locking up terrorists (and shooting them) left right and centre.

Why the deal over a priest ?

It appears that he was not tried because he held office within the catholic church ...not as a gesture of reconciliation ....there were no gestures of reconciliation for the ordinary soldiers in the conflict , why the special treatment for the priesthood ??

In my book, a murderer is a murderer. I you want to negotiate with terrorists and let them get away with murder then I can actually see the point but this priest was let off the hook long before "reconcilliation" was part of the process ....

Why does the catholic heirarchy still have such power ? They can get away with murder while lesser mortals are jailed and/or killed !

 

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Quote by Staggerlee_BB I have made my views on negotiation very clear elsewhere....and may I had had them disagreed with by certain parties....If the price of peace (fragile though it may be)is that some go unpunished for their crimes,I for one am quite happy to live with that compromise


I`m assuming that your use of the word fragile is refering to the killings and knee cappings that continue in Northern Ireland .....Unfortunately this thread is discussing a cover up from many years before anybody was negotiating "peace". It`s the fact that a priest was removed from the scene because it was suspected that he was involved in terrorism ....At the time nobody else was afforded this kind of treatment !! We were locking up terrorists (and shooting them) left right and centre.

Why the deal over a priest ?

It appears that he was not tried because he held office within the catholic church ...not as a gesture of reconciliation ....there were no gestures of reconciliation for the ordinary soldiers in the conflict , why the special treatment for the priesthood ??

In my book, a murderer is a murderer. I you want to negotiate with terrorists and let them get away with murder then I can actually see the point but this priest was let off the hook long before "reconcilliation" was part of the process ....

Why does the catholic heirarchy still have such power ? They can get away with murder while lesser mortals are jailed and/or killed !


He has God on his side!

 

why the deal over a priest?.....POWER....don't be so naive

 

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Quote by Staggerlee_BB I have made my views on negotiation very clear elsewhere....and may I had had them disagreed with by certain parties....If the price of peace (fragile though it may be)is that some go unpunished for their crimes,I for one am quite happy to live with that compromise


I`m assuming that your use of the word fragile is refering to the killings and knee cappings that continue in Northern Ireland .....Unfortunately this thread is discussing a cover up from many years before anybody was negotiating "peace". It`s the fact that a priest was removed from the scene because it was suspected that he was involved in terrorism ....At the time nobody else was afforded this kind of treatment !! We were locking up terrorists (and shooting them) left right and centre.

Why the deal over a priest ?

It appears that he was not tried because he held office within the catholic church ...not as a gesture of reconciliation ....there were no gestures of reconciliation for the ordinary soldiers in the conflict , why the special treatment for the priesthood ??

In my book, a murderer is a murderer. I you want to negotiate with terrorists and let them get away with murder then I can actually see the point but this priest was let off the hook long before "reconcilliation" was part of the process ....

Why does the catholic heirarchy still have such power ? They can get away with murder while lesser mortals are jailed and/or killed !


It may have more to do with the peace negotiations that were going on in 1972 (sometimes referred to as Sunningdale talks) than his religion.

I could have googled that, but I knew it anyway.
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