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Quote by Kaznkev
Apparently many American states are repealing simular laws because it has been realised stimgatising people` with Aids helps no one

"Apparently" being the Operative word here I presume?

Thanks for joining in dark and welcome to the SH forums.
It is a tuffie innit.
I'm still pondering.
The mismatch makes me feel uncomfortable, what's good for one life threatener ought to be good for the others.

Quote by darkest_desires
In the west HIV doesnt have a high mortality rate as it goes.
Flu in old folks homes does.

Once you have it, you have it for life, you do not get better! Which you may with flu
Flu is air-born, therefore indiscriminate, HIV need sexual contact
You could say 100% of HIV sufferers die
Purely for arguments sake - you could say 100% of all us die happy
Yes, that bit was supposed to be funny

Quote by darkest_desires
Again what purpose does criminalising this woman serve??....will it cure the hiv of the man she infected??will it prevent the further spread of the disease?? will it help others infected with hiv to be accepted in the world??....there is no positive to prosecuting her why waste the time and money doing so ??

other than it puts out a strong message to anyone else with aids
who may wish to have undisclosed and unprotected sex
and effectivlly shorten anothers life i cant see the point either
You really really honestly think the prosecution of this woman will prevent anyone in her position doing the same thing ??...I doubt it
Apparently many American states are repealing simular laws because it has been realised stimgatising people` with Aids helps no one
Stigmatising people with aids definitely helps no one - however making it illegal to pass it on to other people, with out reasonable consideration for their welfare almost certainly does
How do we legislate for foolishness though? Some on here seem determined to say this girl went out with the intent to spread disease.The fact that the gbh charges and assault charges were found not guilty says the German court agrees.She was only convicted of failure to inform her partners.
in edit ,oh and hello darkxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Quote by Ben_welshminx
Thanks for joining in dark and welcome to the SH forums.
It is a tuffie innit.
I'm still pondering.
The mismatch makes me feel uncomfortable, what's good for one life threatener ought to be good for the others.

Dont agree Ben, to pass on HIV you have to have sexual encounters with some one, it is personal. flu is airborn.

Quote by Kaznkev
Again what purpose does criminalising this woman serve??....will it cure the hiv of the man she infected??will it prevent the further spread of the disease?? will it help others infected with hiv to be accepted in the world??....there is no positive to prosecuting her why waste the time and money doing so ??

other than it puts out a strong message to anyone else with aids
who may wish to have undisclosed and unprotected sex
and effectivlly shorten anothers life i cant see the point either
You really really honestly think the prosecution of this woman will prevent anyone in her position doing the same thing ??...I doubt it
Apparently many American states are repealing simular laws because it has been realised stimgatising people` with Aids helps no one
Stigmatising people with aids definitely helps no one - however making it illegal to pass it on to other people, with out reasonable consideration for their welfare almost certainly does
How do we legislate for foolishness though? Some on here seem determined to say this girl went out with the intent to spread disease.The fact that the gbh charges and assault charges were found not guilty says the German court agrees.She was only convicted of failure to inform her partners.
in edit ,oh and hello darkxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hello happy
Foolishness is fairly easy to legislate around - if you throw a brick at a window, expecting it to bounce back, but it smashes - then you've been foolish, but can still be done for criminal damage as a reasonable person would think it reckless to throw a brick at a window.
Sounds like the German laws are similar to ours in that you need intent for a charge of assault - so with my spitting example - you must be intending to spit in my face, not just spraying when talking !

Fair point blue.
I couldn't work out how a successful prosecution could be brought.
Turns out most accusations don't reach court because of the difficulty in proving that person A infected person B.
As usual the Terence Higgins Trust is a valuable resource.
http://www.tht.org.uk/informationresources/publications/gaymenshealthpromotion/criminalprosecutionofhivtransmissionssr0128802.pdf

Quote by Kaznkev
Again what purpose does criminalising this woman serve??....will it cure the hiv of the man she infected??will it prevent the further spread of the disease?? will it help others infected with hiv to be accepted in the world??....there is no positive to prosecuting her why waste the time and money doing so ??

other than it puts out a strong message to anyone else with aids
who may wish to have undisclosed and unprotected sex
and effectivlly shorten anothers life i cant see the point either
You really really honestly think the prosecution of this woman will prevent anyone in her position doing the same thing ??...I doubt it
Apparently many American states are repealing simular laws because it has been realised stimgatising people` with Aids helps no one
Stigmatising people with aids definitely helps no one - however making it illegal to pass it on to other people, with out reasonable consideration for their welfare almost certainly does
How do we legislate for foolishness though? Some on here seem determined to say this girl went out with the intent to spread disease.The fact that the gbh charges and assault charges were found not guilty says the German court agrees.She was only convicted of failure to inform her partners.
in edit ,oh and hello darkxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Nadja Benaissa, 28, was found guilty on one count of causing grievous bodily harm and two of attempted bodily harm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11097298

Quote by Bluefish2009
Again what purpose does criminalising this woman serve??....will it cure the hiv of the man she infected??will it prevent the further spread of the disease?? will it help others infected with hiv to be accepted in the world??....there is no positive to prosecuting her why waste the time and money doing so ??

other than it puts out a strong message to anyone else with aids
who may wish to have undisclosed and unprotected sex
and effectivlly shorten anothers life i cant see the point either
You really really honestly think the prosecution of this woman will prevent anyone in her position doing the same thing ??...I doubt it
Apparently many American states are repealing simular laws because it has been realised stimgatising people` with Aids helps no one
Stigmatising people with aids definitely helps no one - however making it illegal to pass it on to other people, with out reasonable consideration for their welfare almost certainly does
How do we legislate for foolishness though? Some on here seem determined to say this girl went out with the intent to spread disease.The fact that the gbh charges and assault charges were found not guilty says the German court agrees.She was only convicted of failure to inform her partners.
in edit ,oh and hello darkxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Nadja Benaissa, 28, was found guilty on one count of causing grievous bodily harm and two of attempted bodily harm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11097298
Ty blue,thats what comes of reading things in the mmorning,,it only mentioned her failure to inform.

According to Wiki, up to 21st April 2006, there had been 7 convictions in England and Wales for the sexual transmission of HIV and a further one in Scotland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_transmission_of_HIV

Well, that's settled then

Quote by Bluefish2009
Well, that's settled then

laughabovelaughabovelaughabovelaughabovelaughabovelaughabove

All done and dusted......the courts decided she was guilty as charged.
Rightly so too.

Well, well, well.
I've been out most of the afternoon and have come back to read an absolutely fabulous thread in CA conducted in the very best traditions of SH with very valuable contributions from all sides of the divide (including a newbie who hasn't been slapped down but welcomed) and not a hint of venom!
I shall sleep a very happy man tonight!
and I've been educated along the way...
It really feels like the effort I made on my morning post was well and truly worth it!
Thanks all!

Quote by GnV
Well, well, well.
I've been out most of the afternoon and have come back to read an absolutely fabulous thread in CA conducted in the very best traditions of SH with very valuable contributions from all sides of the divide (including a newbie who hasn't been slapped down but welcomed) and not a hint of venom!
I shall sleep a very happy man tonight!
and I've been educated along the way...
It really feels like the effort I made on my morning post was well and truly worth it!
Thanks all!

na just too much vino today for you gnv
so when you wake up in the morning with a sore head it all look like shit again
gigglegiggle
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