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I was cucked by my ex wife for some years, it was all mutually agreed and I helped her choose her meets. It was a thrilling experience before during and after her meets. Our split was not due to swinging. I miss being cucked. Would love to meet a new partner into the scene.
I am cucked and love it. Gets me so very hard.
The most annoying thing about all this for me, I used to enjoy going on cam sometimes, it was fun, just can't do that anymore, within a minute or two of turning on my camera, the entire page grinds to a halt, completely unworkable. It took 12 seconds for the popup to appear for me to turn my camera off!!!
Quote by AdminSarah
Hi,
Are the unknown users showing in your chat block list settings?
As we can see your main block list is loading usernames - https://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/privacy/settings
This is where you were being directed for the delete (remove) option
The technical team currently have an issue raised to paginate the chat blocks in the chatroom.
Thanks,
Sarah
Yes, it's the block list in the chat settings, the delete button does nothing.
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The delete might be only for mods and admin.
Really? So I can block people, but I can't unblock them, but there's a button to unblock them? If that's the case, that would be the most guaranteed candidate for the "User Interface Hall of Shame" I've ever seen.
Interestingly, clicking on the delete button for those three blocks does nothing. Also, clicking on any image shows "Unknown User" still.
Quote by DanAdmin
We have just pushed a fix to Chat that should resolve the speed issues people were previously experiencing. The issue was related to blocks, the more blocks a user had, the slower chat would run.
I have 3, and they are all showing as "Unknown User", so I'd be surprised if that's the cause of the extreme slowdowns I'm experiencing, but I'll give it a shot and see.
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Well reasoned questions always deserve at least an attempted answer in my view, so here goes:
1. I think generally speaking its common for customers to be involved in beta testing, that's exactly the point, which is why the dev team ran a beta test from May this year all the way through to October, before deploying the production version last week. To comment that the current version is a beta test isn't true, that's already happened and to characterise it as borderline alpha certainly stretches credulity.
2. Communicating effectively- I completely agree this should be the case, the issue here is HOW to do that? I have seen so many people comment and ask questions about something that the team have pushed message out about to know that most people just flat out don't read them, even when its on the main site landing page or forum and and everyone's feed- how do I know- it's because the mods get to answer the questions about it! If you have suggestions about how to engage members with this, I'm sure the team would be glad to hear them.
3. Why did chat need changing? several reasons that I know about and I'm sure some that I don't, so I'll give you my view:
The existing system was starting to struggle to keep up with the available technology that we all use day to day, a great example of this is the picture and sound quality on the cams- anyone who has used them recently will note how much better the picture and sound quality is, compared to the old version. With the new room able to take advantage of all those HD webcams that are out there, don't believe me? Try taking a cam and opening it up to full frame- I did and it held up very well, even on a 27" QHD monitor, that just wasn't even possible before, let alone with the kind of resolution we're now getting. The old chatroom was also starting to show its age in a number of other ways behind the scenes, its fundamentally been the same on the surface for a long time now, so like everything software related, needed a refresh to keep up with the times and remain current and updatable. It had also started to develop a number of issues which the tech team have successfully managed to patch up and work around over time. After a while a new one, instead of an old one with lots of bolt-ons and plasters stuck on things becomes the right choice. There was also an issue of consistency, you may not have noticed it (which speaks well for the implementation) but the various areas of the site have been updated one at a time, to ensure they all have consistency of use and feel, the chatroom was the last area needing the update. It was also left until last as we all knew it would be the most complicated and time consuming to deliver. I think you'll also agree that more people are familiar with the current chatroom/site structure of functionality, such as the three dots menu system, now common to google and MS based platforms as well as Apple devices, such that new users would have had to learn an outdated menu driven system to make best use of the site, which is clearly a bit backwards.
Now the controversial bit from me- some other sites don't do this kind of thing, they don't invest in improvements to the site and functionality- and lets be honest, it really shows after a while, there is at least one that I can think of still active that reminds me of an old MSN chat group from the early 2000's, which would spoil my enjoyment of it immensely. There is only so long you can maintain systems like that on legacy architecture without it keeling over and dying, let alone the security risk of running something that old. And as you rightly point out elsewhere, paying customers have expectations and a number of those are (rightly or wrongly in anyone's opinion) about look and feel as well as functionality.
4. Interestingly I'd noted the opposite trend in the number of people in the UK landing rooms, such as the pool over the weekend, with over a hundred people in there most of the busy times over the weekend which is significantly more than were in prior to the change. I'd suggest both of our observations on numbers are therefore anecdotal at best and only time will tell in the long term what the effect will be, but I'm willing to bet in a couple of months time, the overall impact will have been significantly positive.
Thanks for taking some time to respond, it is appreciated.
1. I know there was a beta, I took part in it, my point wasn't that you didn't do one, but rather that I didn't see any changes through the beta that addressed the issues that were raised. My impression is that the version launched in the last week or so to production is not materially different to the one in beta, at least in terms of the major failings that make it all but unusable for me, and others. In terms of alpha, vs beta, vs production, I noticed yesterday that if I click on a photo posted in any of the rooms it shows as from an "anonymous user", this is the sort of failing I'm referring to that puts in question it's production readiness.
2. One thing you could have done that would seem pretty obvious to me would be to put an announcement page between clicking the "Chat" link and getting to the chats, something that required the user click another button, therefore increasing the likelihood that they'd see it. Some will, of course, just click through, but at least you'd have done the right thing in communicating to the users that a change is coming.
3. Again, this is all impression, but again, "impression is everything", I don't really notice that the cameras are higher quality, because I can't use them. If I dare to open a camera, the whole system grinds to a virtual halt, clicking on any of the popups takes between 4-10 seconds to popup, if it pops up at all. Switching rooms takes seconds. If I dare to move away from the Chrome tab and return, I return to a black screen for at least 8 seconds while it thinks about redrawing. So, no, I'm not seeing the advantage of the "higher quality cams". As for actually broadcasting, I've tried that once, I won't be doing it again, it was ridiculous, even worse than watching a camera in all the same ways, the tab became so unresponsive that Chrome itself suggested I force kill it.
4. The numbers don't lie, the "Chat (nnn)" link in the toolbar has rarely gotten over 800 since switching. Perhaps one reason you're seeing "more" in Pool is because it dumps you in Pool and Lagoon by default, where the old system used to drop you into other rooms first. The number of rooms has dropped, and the total number of people has dropped dramatically.
I'm happy to provide any additional information that could possibly help in solving these issues, I'm reasonably adept with the Chrome developer tools, and can run any tests you require that might point at the cause of the problems. But from my perspective, this is not fit for purpose as it stands.
One more small observation. You say "the rooms as perfectly usable for nearly everyone", however, since the switch, I've noticed the member count (in brackets at the top after the "Chat" link) has dropped consistently from 1200+ every time I login, to around 700-800 at the same times of day.
Just saying, some people might be just silently abandoning it rather than complain.
I'll admit, I'm one of the complainers, but I've also attempted to be constructive, providing Chrome developer tools information to help identify what is wrong. I don't disagree that software can have "teething" problems, my issue is that during the "beta" a lot of these issues were raised, by me and others, and seem to be no different when going live, so the impression is that nothing was materially changed during beta. That may well be wrong, because obviously I don't have access to the data, but as a good friend of mine once said, "in marketing, impression is everything".
I have three main issues with the way this has been handled, and as a paying customer, I feel it's my right to raise these issues, please do explain if you disagree.
1. You should never use your paying customers as beta testers for something that is so fragile and unstable. I would hesitate to call what is currently live beta, perhaps alpha. I get that some things won't show up until production, but this appears to be a bit too much for that, as if automated stress testing were never done.
2. You should communicate effectively to your paying customers, not just dump a huge update on them with no explanation or warning. In a provider/customer relationship, communication is everything, especially if you want to retain those customer's subscriptions.
3. I've asked this question multiple times and it has gone unanswered, maybe you feel the paying customers don't deserve an answer to this, which is your prerogative, but even a "mind your own business" would be better than nothing.
"Why did the chat system need changing? It feels like the new system is worse in many respects than the old one, and I have yet to see a single feature that is better presented or implemented in the new one vs the old one, so I find myself utterly confused as to why the change was necessary".
I get that you're going to be in possession of lots of information that I'm clearly not, so I fully understand there may well be a technical or business reason for the switch, but again, as paying customers, it's not unreasonable to ask the question, IMHO.
There's usually a few guys parked up outside Southey, with occasional couples turning up too. Daytime's are busy with "normal" dog walkers etc, so be careful!
Maybe I am, I also now get off more from watching guys wanking and cumming and gay porn, feel i might have missed out a bit over the years, so would like to test the waters and see how if feels playing with a guy for a change
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I’m straight and married, but certainly if the circumstances arose would at least try and either hold and wank another off guy or maybe suck him to completion. He would have to be smooth and slim / medium as not into large bear type guys. Does that make me gay or just wanting to experience sex from a difference perspective?
Ha, that sounds like I'm your match lol. I agree, a guy has to be hairless and smooth!
I had an encounter this summer, totally unexpected though.
I went to Studland bay for the day. It was really hot, so I had the factor 50 on. Burnt in the midfle of my back though. I spent the day reading. Every hour or so I went for a swim, it was just so hot.
I was thinking about packing up when this guy, quite a bit older than me appeared straight in front, only a couple of yards away but wearing shorts and a jumper. I was still nude. He was just staring. It felt like forever.
Then he said that I had a nice body and would I give him a blow job! I was stunned, nodded and then his flacid cock was in my mouth. He didn't get hard, maybe he had a bit of an issue 🤔. After a couple of minutes he came down on me, I hadn't noticed, but I was rigid lol. He had a really weird rhymical motion, possibly his teeth?? Who knows.
Then he sat behind me and finished me quickly with his hand. I came all over his sandel! He stood up, said he thought I was saving myself for someone better that him, said thank you and wandered off.
I didn't really say a word during the entire encounter. So, yeah, it happens
I’m straight and married, but certainly if the circumstances arose would at least try and either hold and wank another off guy or maybe suck him to completion. He would have to be smooth and slim / medium as not into large bear type guys. Does that make me gay or just wanting to experience sex from a difference perspective?
On a nudist beach, we hardly spoke, just a blow job each. I came on his shoe!
Completely unusable, locks up every 5 minutes, heaven forbid you ever put a camera on, let alone broadcast!
What an utter mess, wish I hadn't slapped down lifetime membership for this shit show.
So you would throughly recommend it?
Is it always fancy dress or just the Halloween one?
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You've been running beta on Lush for months now and its fairly smooth - so no excuses for it not to work properly here now we are all having to use it. Yet its slow, emoji's not loading up correctly slow to display messages once typed, seems like the system can't cope with the volume of chatters using it
Agree, in Lagoon for example, I can type twice as fast as the text box can keep up with, and clicking on anything feels like a trip back to the 90's.
You guys really should have stress tested this system before going live, it's not able to cope with volume at all.
Thank you Lounmac. Good advice. Will look to getting invoved in chat groups before hand.
Looking to attend one at some stage. May I ask those who're been to one before the etiquette at these events?
