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Quote by Trevaunance
Windows 8 was designed for touch screen desktops and laptops. If you don't have one but you are operating the system, then I'm afraid you are the wrong side of cash street.

Then why do MS insist on supplying the OS on all new desktops and laptops dunno
Quote by deancannock
What is the biggest disgrace, is this is a back door way, that this government can do mass sackings. They are saying the fire fighters can not draw a pension until 60.....but most importantly they are introducing a fitness test, and if you fail, they can say you are not fit to work and therefore out of a job. Most fire fighters by the age of 40 plus will be struggling with this test. Those over 50 have no chance, unless you super fit !! They know there are not enough office, paperwork jobs to go round, and so this will simply allow them to sack them, without having to pay any redundancy or compensation payments. If you have been a fire fighter since you were 20 years old.....what other job are you going to be able to do when sacked at 50 !!

Rare for us to agree dean :thumbup:
Quote by herts
but every government since the end of the second world war who have fuelled expectations beyond there power to deliver.

But in earlier days, it was affordable and Governments of all persuasions needed to attract men into the job given it's nature.
Only power crazy governments since the demise of Thatcher (notably Bliar and Brown) have caused the problems we are now faced with economically. Britain trying to keep up with the Jones's in a corrupt Dubbya Administration they could never hope to match but which cost the Country dear.
Every new government postulates the idea about small government. I remember George Osborne waxing lyrical about it at the Cons conference a couple of years before they were elected.
Maybe they blame the inaction on this front to their coalition partners who have for as long as I can remember been somewhat prolific with tax payers money.
Interesting that now, Ed (!ulrabrite) Megaband is making similar noises in the lead up to the next election.
But don't hold your breath if they get elected...
Quote by GnV
It's good to see you have such faith and confidence in the modern fire service.

You don't?
Sorry if I misread the intention behind your brief response to that part of my post. It just seemed a tad cynical in context, that's all, which is why I queried it.
Quote by Trev
It's good to see you have such faith and confidence in the modern fire service.

You don't?
Quote by Trev
I'm sure many people wish they could retire and still take home 90% of their working wage.

I'll bet.
But would they be willing or even able to do the work these brave men and women do?
Have you ever smelt burning human flesh? It lingers on your nostrils for days/weeks. It's sickening.
Seen a completely charred body? It's gut wrenching and It has you heaving and looking for the nearest hedge but sadly you can't just leave your assigned task as you might in an office environment. You have to deal with it.
How about pulling a decapitated mutilated cadaver out of a burned out car wreck moments after you've eaten your supper?
Someone has to do it and these brave guys/gals do. They are worth every penny in their pension receipts. If those people who wish they could get such a deal they would first have to earn it.
Quote by Trev
But there is another way: promotion and a less physically arduous role.

Not everyone can or wishes to climb the promotional ladder in an organisatIon like the FB, Paramedics or Police. These services need 'doers' and the role of the FB front line manager is an extremely technical one requiring high levels of scientific expertise. Pumping water on to a fire needs technical skills involving pressure levels and heights. Pumping water on to the 'wrong' sort of fire could have explosive results.
It's called the Peter Principle. There are some people that are very good at climbing ladders and acting under orders but promote them beyond their comfort zone and disaster awaits so that option is not always available. Doing that job requires dedication and skill levels all of their own. Not everyone can cope with the mental agility required.
I don't normally support the taking of industrial action but today, I support the firefighters stance on their retirement age absolutely.
Firefighting is an incredibly heavy duty job. That the likes of the Cabinet - sissy boys like Cameron and IDS - think that firefighters just sit around all day doing nothing is self evident in their demand that frontline firefighters should not retire at 55 but should still be expected to scale ladders climb into burning buildings and carry a 12stone dead weight over their shoulders down a ladder in intense heat whilst wearing very heavy fireproof clothing and helmets at the age of 60.
Is it possible that this cynical, morally corrupt government, thinks that by asking firefighters to do this work until they are 60 will mean that, in actuarial terms, many more will die before they are able to draw their pension?
It's an absolute disgrace. Firefighting is a job for young fit men. 55 is an absolute maximum on the front line. Not only does it place the firefighter at risk but also his/her colleagues and the wider public who they do so well to protect.
Perhaps if they more than halved the generous and undeserved package they provide to too many politicians, they may be able to continue to fund firefighters pensions in a correct and sensible way.
I really don't know what to say Toots.
Life is really a crock of shit for so many people at the moment and, like with a troubled child, if you feed the terror you can only expect to get more of it.
Take Syria as a case in point. Without the west intervening in something they really have little understanding of, the so called opposition forces would have nothing to feed on perhaps and people might not die. If that is true, then the western press is as much to blame for the loss of life because they feed the terror. I really don't put Assad - an intelligent man, not a warlord - as a mass murderer content to use toxic weapons on his own people but I do think that is perfectly feasible at the hands of the evil factions that abound in the region funded and supported by corrupt western interests like the CIA with its own agenda.
Pakistan; Christians slaughtered by their fellow countrymen/women in a meaningless (to us) suicide bomb attack where peaceful people gather to worship. Horrendous and incomprehensible even for an agnostic like me.
The list can go on but decent society needs decent people like you to continue to express their horror at such outrages without feeding the troll and to implore those charged in our society with our interests not to equal the terror by warmongering to suit their own political ends.
It won't go away if you just bury your head in the sand.
And so you have herts.
I don't see a need for an apology; you've acted quite correctly IMHO by constructing the thread the way you have and then offering your take on it.
:thumbup:
But no, the BBC is not fit for purpose and the extortion of the masses in a tax by any other name is disgraceful.
The Charter should be revoked, Lord Patten put out to grass and the BBC should fight for its funding in exactly the same way that all the other operators do - on a level playing field.
Quote by Max
Or maybe they are just using the benefit of hindsight!

If IDS has anything to do with it, they'll lose all their other benefits so they may as well keep the hindsight lol
Quote by Gerty
It should be acceptable for anyone to make money and big money at that.

Of course it should.
But that's the title of the thread - hypocrite.
It's hypocritical to belong to a sect that keeps the class system alive whilst at the same time reaping the benefits of it.
Quote by dean
he brought peace to Northern island.

No, No, No!
It was honest John Major who you speak so unkindly of who began the peace process in Northern Ireland - even acknowledged by TB himself who was conveniently in office at the time it finally came to pass.
Quote by dean
...having said that is there anyone that really would have preferred Saddam Hussain to still be in power there ??

Mostly, the people of Iraq!
Just look at the mess the place is now following illegal regime change after intervention by the west. Then look at Egypt which is going the same way. Is Libya any different after the demise of Gaddafi? Look what the west is doing to Syria. Try as they may to blame the use of chemical weapons on Assad, it is backfiring on them big time.
Quote by dean
People voted Mr Blair in three times.

Just shows how thick the nation is. He sent our soldiers off to war in the desert with no boots. They had to buy their own from Army surplus shops. His chancellor, GB lied about the amount of money that had been provided to the armed forces to 'support our boys'. Absolute crap. Of course GB was never elected as PM, TB left the sinking ship when the writing was already on the wall.
Quote by dean
To me a good leader that lost his way towards the end.

As they all do dean. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Quote by Lizaleanrob
Don't think any one ever said that Blair was a Socialist,

blair did :doh:
He lied.
Quote by Lizaleanrob
If we all went back to walking to local shops buying local produce, we might just not need all the extra energy they keep telling us we need.

:laughabove::laughabove:
when was the last time you was in the uk
Earlier this year in the beautiful City of Hull.
Local shops that you can easily walk to. Granted, there is a huge superstore in the centre open 24/7 burning electric like its going out of fashion but if we didn't demand it, commercial interests would soon close it down.
If we didn't demand all our purchases wrapped in polythene or gave the shops back all the packaging at the counter, perhaps they might rethink the need for it.
Convenience shopping is convenient so long as you can afford it. When, as a nation, you can no longer afford it, it's time to start some radical rethinking.
If we all went back to walking to local shops buying local produce, we might just not need all the extra energy they keep telling us we need.
Quote by sandy
and now deserves his just rewards

Aye... Death by firing squad in Iraq for war crimes...
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Quote by Too Hot
Aye, its a good use of free energy. Though the best method of harnessing the energy from the sea is tidal.

It still baffles me how tidal energy has not yet been fully harnessed. We are an island surrounded by a sea that has significant tidal ranges and which is constantly on the move. You only have to look at "the swellies" in the Menai Straight or watch the Seven bore to get an idea of the energy involved.
Vested interests by government ministers dunno
Perhaps SH should publish their percentage of big black cock on the site to make a few blondes drool dunno
Personally, I don't give a shit Jed.
Somehow, a flimsy blonde clothes horse dressed in a Bet Lynch leopard skin leotard just doesn't do it for me but big back and buxom wench...
NURSE, NURSE.....
A good news story for once...

Forget the blots on the seascape... Wave technology for an island like the UK has to be the way to go...

I'd lve to read star777's take on this :grin:
Why do the English do this? Just tell her to take it off or accept the consequences. Everyone should just protest, if required to attend court, by wearing some sort of mask to disguise their true identity.
What's good for the goose....
Quote by Jools
sometimes there is more to a job than money.

:thumbup:
Yes, herts.
Those wilth longer memories will remember the use of chemical weapons by the USA in living memory so it seems a bit rich that they are all for war war with Syria.
The UK doesn't escape such attention either as they have blood on their hands too.
And you have to pay how much just because you have a television - even though yo don't want to wach such rubbish?
Outrageous.
Quote by Happy-Cat
Major rant....just got back off holiday. We went away last minute to a little villa in Spain and it was lovely. BUT...the Car Hire Companies are total pissing taking wankers.
We hired a car and it was 80 Euros. It was only a small car as there was only me and Mr Tigs. We then got told that we had to pay another 4 euros for additional insurance. We both had an idea that this might happen. They then proceeded to charge us 101 Euros for a tank of diesel...This was a fecking joke, especially as we only used half a tank and you dont get a refund for the unused half....No the cheeky fecking piss taking wankers then charge the next person 101 Euros for a full tank but in actual fact they are only putting in half a tank, cause Ive just paid for the other half.....grrrrr. OH and the car was bloody filthy...Grrrr RANT OVER

I'm just back from France and had this too (60 euros), the thieving bastards! Its near impossible to leave an empty tank, I did consider parking up and putting a brick on the accelerator or a brick through the Hertz window.
Car hire companies we have used in the past in Uk, France and Spain usually require you leave it full of fuel, so you effectively only pay for what you have used :confused::confused:
I'll have tho think about it...
So....
"I'll be back"
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Like st3v3, I have only a few pairs.
Curious thing though.
When I buy a new pair, I tend not to start using them until about a year after purchase :undecided:
I am currently wearing out a pair of loafers I bought in France about 15 years ago. I guess they cost around the equivalent of £10 then and have been incredibly good value!
Controversially, I subscribe to the notion that giving women shoes only encourages them to go wandering off so best to restrict the number of pairs they have :grin:
Quote by Trevaunance
...and a no fly zone worked in
Where?
Iraq?
Iran?
Afghanistan?
Libya?

Th only UN authorised no fly zones were in Bosnia in the 90's, Northern and southern Iraq from the mid 90's and Libya in 2011.
There has never been a no fly zone enforced against Iran or Afghanistan.
Well, ok Trev.
It didn't (couldn't) work in those places then lol
...and a no fly zone worked in
Where?
Iraq?
Iran?
Afghanistan?
Libya?
Jeez, we have more problems with a no fly zone over Spain into Gibraltar! And there's no civil war going on there. We can't even control the skies over our own territory let alone over someone else's rolleyes
And who is going to enforce this? The US?
And after regime change has been enforced under the legalities of the UN (as it supposedly was in Libya, Iraq etc etc) will the position change?
Will it fuck. It will be worse.
There are more deaths now in Iraq, Libya and other places since the west's involvement in affairs it does not understand! Oh, yes dean. Beating the shit out of people in the streets then becomes somehow legal, doesn't it. And, as in the case of Egypt, if the home military team don't like the legally installed western style influenced elected regime, it just deposes it and installs one it likes.
I think the UK should stick to dealing with cruelty to kids and solving the appalling treatment of the elderly and vulnerable in it's institutions first before it takes the moral high ground and teaches the Arab community how to live its life.
As has been said, life to an Arab is cheap. People are dispensable. Something to trade in for a sheeps head or a goat. That this is abhorrent to westerners is legendary but what gives the westerner the right to dictate what happens in a foreign land?
The US with it's own appalling record on human rights?
Dean, I respect your view that going to the aid of someone on the streets of Britain might be the right thing to do although becoming more and more risky in itself but doing this on the streets of Syria - if indeed you were foolish enough to be there in the first place - would be suicidal. They would slit your throat without a moments thought.
Best to stay on the other side of the road. Indeed, best not to be there in the first place.
Quote by dean
In the end can we just stand on by and watch a bully, inflict his will, with sheer brute force on others.

Who are you referring to here dean?
Bashar al Assad or the faceless opposition forces (whoever and whatever nationality they are)?
In reality both may be as bad as each other in the blame game but that makes all the more reason not to get involved.
I remember an advert I think for Police recruitment years ago. The scenario was simple. What appeared to be a youth barging through the crowd (presumably with bad intent) was actually a young person returning a purse to a little old lady who had dropped it (or something on those lines).
What we see on our TV screens is what the opposition forces in Syria want us to believe. It may just not be the truth. What reporters want us to see on our TV screens is what they too want us to believe (because there is fuck all else happening in the world and they need the income).
Ulterior motives? You bet your life on it.
And by the way dean. Your interference in a street fight against the apparent attacker may just turn out to be an off duty or plain clothes policeman attempting to make a lawful arrest of some resisting armed terrorist or other law breaker. You might just let the criminal escape...
Think about it. It's not our fight and we have no right to interfere.
It's election year next year IIRC. Cameron is looking for the 'Thatcher Factor' in the run up to the election like it was with the Falklands (different situation for sure) but the same scenario as used by Tony Bliar to further his career...
I'm dismayed at William Hague to be honest. I thought he was made of sterner stuff but in the end, all politicians have a price when it comes to selling their soul. Cameron, I wouldn't trust with my (measly) pocket money.
Francois Hollande the same.