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Can't find the reference now dean, but wasn't there a high court case in times past in Birmingham involving dear Arthur and his Vice President diverting charitable union funds without proper authority and the Judge in the case branded Scargill a lier after he was, ahem, found to be somewhat 'economical' with the truth in his evidence...
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I personally just don't get the hype that surrounds these books. I got to chapter 10 of the first book and was almost put to sleep. Just dire! *Poor written and scripted, not to mention the use of words like 'down there', when referring to a woman's bits. Why not just be direct?! It's supposed to be erotic!
50 shades of yawn for me.
*poorly.
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I'm at the moment size 16 ( have to add I was the same weight at age of only 14!!!)
When in my mid to late 40's I became concerned that I was overweight (I was!) I visited a medical specialist to advise me about recently diagnosed type 2 diabetes.
I was put on a fairly hefty regime and some time later when my excess weight had come off and blood tests confirmed better overall health management, I still thought I was heavier than I should be. The good doctor told me not to be concerned. He asked my what my weight was around my early twenties (much the same as it had become by that consultation) and suggested that was a very good yard stick to work to (he was a military medical advisor), because by then, your body has adjusted itself to your lifestyle and any attempt to take it down much further could itself have more damaging consequences.
Clearly, there are people who are clinically obese and who would benefit from better health management. But that insurance company 'norms' and the eternal pressure on people to conform to statistically weighted (no pun intended) arguments is a nonsense.
We are what we people are naturally 'heavier boned' and more able to carry off more weight. There are others who are also in good health but as thin as a beanstalk not ever putting on weight.
Statistics are all well and good but they can be cumbersome when properly assessing a person's health and well being.
Good luck with your training program :thumbup:
The recent events om serious flooding in the UK (and elsewhere I guess) have left most people to belive it may be the cause of 'climate change' or however you might like to describe it.
The Daily Mail article is a fascinating alternative view.
I can quite see the sense in what is being written. Setting aside the political intonations, is it just possible that this is why the sudden change in serious flooding has taken place? I mean, we've always had significant rain.. haven't we?
The Daily Mail article is a fascinating alternative view.
I can quite see the sense in what is being written. Setting aside the political intonations, is it just possible that this is why the sudden change in serious flooding has taken place? I mean, we've always had significant rain.. haven't we?
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100% totally GNV......but trying to buy a flat didn't loose thousands of people there jobs, it didn't break communities !!!
No, perhaps not, but he is nonetheless holding up the Local Authority renting this much needed accommodation to another worthy family. Hardly worthy of his supposed socialist (or should I say communist) values and may be breaking up a family much in need of being allowed to enjoy the benefits of more comfortable and appropriate living as a family unit...
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With the revelations from the 30 year rule about the 75 Coal Mine list for closure that Maggie always said never existed, but in fact certainly did, should Mrs Thatcher now be officially and legitimately called;
Maggie the Liar ????
John
YES...without a doubt
And since Arthur Scargill has at least twice tried to buy the London flat (owned by the NUM) he occupies (until recetly, rent free!!) under Mrs T's Right to Buy scheme could he not rightly be called a hypocryte?
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Why do nationalised industries have to be profitable?
they don't!! but would that not take much needed monies from other resources, in order for them to be viable surly they must at least break even
and welcome back staggers
That would be breaking even then .. not profitable ... I was just curious
Oh and I believe someone mentioned the N.H.S. (not you) ... The healthn of the nation is NOT a business and should not be treated as such , just saying
Absolutely right and nor are patients 'customers'.
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God forbid we ever get Nationalised industries again. Nationalised industries are rarely, if ever, profitable and the more cash the sitting government has or needs to allocate to the funding of infrastructure improvements to any one industry, the more the opposition will use it as a political tool. Our style of government is not suited to anything being Nationalised. Just look at how NHS, schools, defence and other funding budgets are argued over now... It would be so much worse with Nationalised industries as well. For those with short memories, just go back to the 1970's and read up about our successful Nationalised industries.... Not.
You forgot a more recent example TH, RBS (in all but name).
Wishing you both well for the future Steve.
We've had our spats from time to time over the many years I've been a member and from your previous life as a ChatOp (oh those heady days of the _Mids clan!) but we have still managed to exchange posts nicely in the forums, and I have always respected your take on things.
I for one will miss your occasional contributions but will be glad to see the back of you - for all the rights reasons, of course :lol2:
Nice that someone at long last is making you a priority in their life
Au revoir mon ami...
We've had our spats from time to time over the many years I've been a member and from your previous life as a ChatOp (oh those heady days of the _Mids clan!) but we have still managed to exchange posts nicely in the forums, and I have always respected your take on things.
I for one will miss your occasional contributions but will be glad to see the back of you - for all the rights reasons, of course :lol2:
Nice that someone at long last is making you a priority in their life
Au revoir mon ami...
Cn't help you too much from this distance Mal (unless you can get a cheapo flight to France )
However, have you thought about getting a USB hard disk reader (obtainable from the usual sources on the net and not expensive), taking the offending hard disk out and popping into a friends PC somewhere near you under your direct supervision and writing the files you need to a DVD?
After verification, you can then delete any sensitive data from the drive before handing it over to a computer shop to fix.
Just a first thought...
)However, have you thought about getting a USB hard disk reader (obtainable from the usual sources on the net and not expensive), taking the offending hard disk out and popping into a friends PC somewhere near you under your direct supervision and writing the files you need to a DVD?
After verification, you can then delete any sensitive data from the drive before handing it over to a computer shop to fix.
Just a first thought...
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THAT'S NOT THE MINERS’ FAULT!
I don't think anyone blames the miners, to be honest. As you say, they were in the thick of an industrial revolution which has seen many labour intensive economic activities go into decline.
Farming is another. In the countryside, whole communities have declined as huge tractors and harvesters have replaced them. Here in rural France, it is the same too. I have an old local photograph from not that many years ago which showed, on less than an acre of land, 20 or more workers raking in the hay whereas now, the local farmer does it with a huge tractor and a single farmhand.
That's progress and it hurts but the insatiable thirst for better newer technology and more electricity to fund our modern lifestyles is the driving force. We are the authors of our own misfortune, perhaps.
How much would coal extraction cost today in manpower terms and the ocean of regulation to keep workers safe?
Not that I like or support the idea but will fracking be the new mining industry of the future? I don't understand enough about it to be complimentary about it's future or just how many jobs it will create but for as long as workers demand better pay and more paid time off and the establishment creates barriers to work with the populace demanding even more electrical power, the Industry will seek to achieve it with fewer humans to screw it (and their profits) up.
Nuclear, anyone?
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Well dean, we are obviously at the opposing ends of a great divide on this one so no reason to allow it to descend into a slanging match as I respect your view on so much (but not this one, eh?).
I think we should just agree not to agree on the miners issue.
lol...right I agree to disagree...!!!!
Merci bien :thumbup:
They were loss making pits the Country could no longer afford to subsidise and the workforce were totally out of control under the direct guidance of Scargill who sought to bring the Government down and the Country to it's knees.
20 pits, 70 pits. Would it have made a difference what number was used to control the beast within?
No.
Who is to say that it wasn't 20 initially and that was all that was planned at that stage but that the figure grew when the true extent of the rot became known? People can have very imaginative minds when they seek to justify history with half-statistics and half-truths.
Scargill did do the Country some service however. Like Red Rob to BL, he helped identify an industry that was pulling down the greatness of the Country for his own nefarious purposes.
I expect your next argument will be as to why many of those pits which closed then re-opened under new management and became profitable.
That was because the beast had been controlled and the true and undoubted worth of many fine men and women, management and workers alike, was then unleashed and they able to get on with the task of mining coal without being hidebound by restrictive practices, rather than undermining the State.
It was a tough call and Mrs T, bless her, did the electorate proud. To this day, people remember Mrs T for what she was - the greatest post war PM ever - and a woman to boot! People only remember Mr Scargill for the sad, small minded insignificant cretin he was/is to this day, still hanging on to the past and screwing miners blind by claiming significant amounts of their hard earned cash to fund his miserable existence.
I have no concerns about this 20 over 70 number and I know instinctively who's account account I trust more. To be honest, if it took closing every single one of them in public ownership to achieve the ultimate objective, she would still have had my vote.
The problem is, some miners themselves backed the wrong horse after receiving duff odds from the stable hand and they can't forgive themselves for being so stupid as to listening to one more used to shovelling shit, so blame everyone else instead and cling to insignificant detail by way of justicication.
20 pits, 70 pits. Would it have made a difference what number was used to control the beast within?
No.
Who is to say that it wasn't 20 initially and that was all that was planned at that stage but that the figure grew when the true extent of the rot became known? People can have very imaginative minds when they seek to justify history with half-statistics and half-truths.
Scargill did do the Country some service however. Like Red Rob to BL, he helped identify an industry that was pulling down the greatness of the Country for his own nefarious purposes.
I expect your next argument will be as to why many of those pits which closed then re-opened under new management and became profitable.
That was because the beast had been controlled and the true and undoubted worth of many fine men and women, management and workers alike, was then unleashed and they able to get on with the task of mining coal without being hidebound by restrictive practices, rather than undermining the State.
It was a tough call and Mrs T, bless her, did the electorate proud. To this day, people remember Mrs T for what she was - the greatest post war PM ever - and a woman to boot! People only remember Mr Scargill for the sad, small minded insignificant cretin he was/is to this day, still hanging on to the past and screwing miners blind by claiming significant amounts of their hard earned cash to fund his miserable existence.
I have no concerns about this 20 over 70 number and I know instinctively who's account account I trust more. To be honest, if it took closing every single one of them in public ownership to achieve the ultimate objective, she would still have had my vote.
The problem is, some miners themselves backed the wrong horse after receiving duff odds from the stable hand and they can't forgive themselves for being so stupid as to listening to one more used to shovelling shit, so blame everyone else instead and cling to insignificant detail by way of justicication.
Good luck with your new venture rob.
Will you be calling it 'Sweeny's" in deference to that famous barber who converted his clientele into sausages...
A rather neat way to deal with moaning minnies who, on complaint, are shown the steps to the cellar where Liza awaits in the shadows with a rather sharp gutting knife :lol2:
Gives new meaning to "I was gutted after eating at 'Sweeny's'....
Will you be calling it 'Sweeny's" in deference to that famous barber who converted his clientele into sausages...
A rather neat way to deal with moaning minnies who, on complaint, are shown the steps to the cellar where Liza awaits in the shadows with a rather sharp gutting knife :lol2:
Gives new meaning to "I was gutted after eating at 'Sweeny's'....
Not letting you get away with that one too easily Dean...
Why should the Country allow the Miners to hold them to ransom? What god given right did Scargill have to rule? He was not an elected representative of the people but yet he acted as a demi-god hurting the lives of thousands of people whilst he and his henchmen enjoyed lavish lifestyles.
He had no accountability - indeed he had no shame. That he very nearly brought the Country to its knees but for the determination of Mrs T to break the mob rule in the name of democracy is something that often, even 30 years later, seems to escape those who were brow beaten into submitting to his will for fear of being branded 'scabs' and publicly ridiculed in their own communities.
On the other hand, Mrs T did have accountability and won two further elections to boot. The Electorate certainly gave their verdict on her performance.
Scargill couldn't win; the establishment is omnipotent not unelected load mouthed bullies like Scargill. The electorate in common have the power to remove governments, not evil minded cretins like him with nothing but self interest in mind.
I'm so sorry that you were caught in the midst of this at such a critical stage in your adult development. I might have expected that the passage of time might have now healed those wounded emotions.
Why should the Country allow the Miners to hold them to ransom? What god given right did Scargill have to rule? He was not an elected representative of the people but yet he acted as a demi-god hurting the lives of thousands of people whilst he and his henchmen enjoyed lavish lifestyles.
He had no accountability - indeed he had no shame. That he very nearly brought the Country to its knees but for the determination of Mrs T to break the mob rule in the name of democracy is something that often, even 30 years later, seems to escape those who were brow beaten into submitting to his will for fear of being branded 'scabs' and publicly ridiculed in their own communities.
On the other hand, Mrs T did have accountability and won two further elections to boot. The Electorate certainly gave their verdict on her performance.
Scargill couldn't win; the establishment is omnipotent not unelected load mouthed bullies like Scargill. The electorate in common have the power to remove governments, not evil minded cretins like him with nothing but self interest in mind.
I'm so sorry that you were caught in the midst of this at such a critical stage in your adult development. I might have expected that the passage of time might have now healed those wounded emotions.
