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Theladyisaminx
Over 90 days ago
Straight Female, 62
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Quote by kentswingers777
Minxy let me put the record straight here. I am no lover of the yanks at all, in fact I think they are a pretty loud mouthed bunch, and no way would I ever want to live there. Now I hope I have made my sentiments quite clear on the yanks but that does not detract from the fact I think what they and us are doing is just. I believe that others who were being trained in them camps were and still are intent on bombing us into submission, does nobody ever read the news ? The shoe bomber, the 7/7 bombers, and many more all share the same beliefs as those in Afghanistan .
Whilst they plot to kill us then they are an enemy that needs to be eradicated, until such time that threat no longer exists.
There are comparisons with the two great wars in that our way of life wants to be changed by others through violent means.
I am not bothered if others do not agree with me as the powers to be out there hold the same views as me. I care not about them at all, what I care about is we get the job done and get the fuck out of there with as minimal ammount of lives lost as possible.
Kent do you believe to attack a nation that had done us no wrong was ok then?
I would like to conduct my life that I would need proof that I was under threat of someone to warrant me to become deffensive, and prehaps then defend myself. I will not ever believe it is alright to attack someone because I dont believe the way they conduct themselves.
I take this belief in all aspects within my life and you can liken it to any situation we find ourselfs in.
I would always defend, I would never attack.I believe there to be a difference.
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If there are members that regularly post (or did) then by searching them you could get a sense of who they were and what their opinions are, far more relevant than random chatting at times.
That's a good point well made and something I try to tell new members. A well crafted profile page is great, but unless you update it every day (blog style) it really doesn't give too much away about what sort of person you are. On the other hand posts in the forums are far more revealing and can help you to get to know "the person" rather than "the persona". :thumbup:
Awwww shit !!! Is that why nobody wants to talk to me any more ???
They`ve got to know me !!
:shock: I talk to ya!
But i havent read all your prevous posts yet, when I have I might start ignoring ya too. :P
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And to think some of you wonder why people don't bother to post in the forum anymore.
I think it is the british humour, if you don't ask the right question, you might not get the right answer.
Sorry I would normally agree with you, but in this case they left themselves open. I thought the responses were funny for that reason.
I like winter, does anyone else?
A nice steaming bowl of stew on a cold winters evening.
Getting home cold and having a nice hot bath.
I believe we should be grateful, most of us have shelter, warmth and food.
When I see the dismal days I just think about the people that dont have such luxuries and it gets me though winter, feeling I am lucky
A nice steaming bowl of stew on a cold winters evening.
Getting home cold and having a nice hot bath.
I believe we should be grateful, most of us have shelter, warmth and food.
When I see the dismal days I just think about the people that dont have such luxuries and it gets me though winter, feeling I am lucky
Quote by kentswingers777
I pretty much agree with all you say Minxy. I used the General De Gaulle quotation to demonstrate the difference between patriotism and nationalism, it's not how I would define patriotism....the dictionary definition quoted by Kenty "a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it" sounds about right to me.
The trouble is though Max,,,,there ain't many left who would support it when the going gets tough.
There are far too many out there who knock the very people who do defend it, that being the armed forces.
Even the NUT do not want the army in their schools, that is why I understand exactly where Jump is coming from.
As I said many times, we have become far too tolerant in meeting others needs, but have forget the very fundamentals of doing the same with ourselves.
There are far fewer patriotic people here now, and if we had to ask them to defend this country they would not.
Kent you said "they would not" as a statement like you know that to be fact. Have you asked everyone?
As I said tarnish all with the same brush. Who are they anyway?
Kent I don’t need to feel patriotic to defend this country, I just have to believe as in all decisions I make, what is right or wrong. If I felt something is right I would defend it, if I felt someone was doing me wrong I would defend that.
Until I feel I have something to defend I can not say I would defend it not matter what.
I would need to feel I or we, are not the cause.
If I felt we had done something wrong, I would rather put right the wrong, than to try and defend it.
Maybe others might feel this way, but I can't answer that.
THEY are the people who criticize the armed forces when we are at war. THEY are the people who do not integrate into British society, THEY are the Liberals who think there is always an answer to every problem by sitting around a table and talking, when sometimes talking is just not are the people who have no allegiance at all with this country but knock it at every opportunity when we are at war with an aggressor.
I cannot possibly give you a figure and yes as MAX stated, it is different times today than in the war years, when most people pulled together. Their spirit is what won us the war, along with the brave men and women who died for being patriotic and our right to free speech.
I really cannot understand why people find it so hard to be patriotic towards their country. I cannot fathom that one out at all, and yes I have read your comments above but that does not mean I understand them.
I read a book a while ago about the D Day landings and the second world war, and there was a reference which said " the Dunkirk Spirit ". I wonder if the same situation arose today if that same spirit would be there? Certainly not in the numbers it was in years gone by.
Kent why when I write anything in response to your post, do I detect a complete oversight on your part, in the points I have raised.
I have never put down what the people did for us in WW1 or WW2 I lost a great uncle in WW1 who was 16 and forged his documents then to fright for what he believed in.
But would they have fought the same wars we are seeing ourselves in now?
I can not answer that and neither can you.
What is happening now is an invasion caused by us joining with America, I am glad to see you have such faith in them and believe all they say, maybe instead of going to Spain to live you might be better suited there.
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I pretty much agree with all you say Minxy. I used the General De Gaulle quotation to demonstrate the difference between patriotism and nationalism, it's not how I would define patriotism....the dictionary definition quoted by Kenty "a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it" sounds about right to me.
The trouble is though Max,,,,there ain't many left who would support it when the going gets tough.
There are far too many out there who knock the very people who do defend it, that being the armed forces.
Even the NUT do not want the army in their schools, that is why I understand exactly where Jump is coming from.
As I said many times, we have become far too tolerant in meeting others needs, but have forget the very fundamentals of doing the same with ourselves.
There are far fewer patriotic people here now, and if we had to ask them to defend this country they would not.
Kent you said "they would not" as a statement like you know that to be fact. Have you asked everyone?
As I said tarnish all with the same brush. Who are they anyway?
Kent I don’t need to feel patriotic to defend this country, I just have to believe as in all decisions I make, what is right or wrong. If I felt something is right I would defend it, if I felt someone was doing me wrong I would defend that.
Until I feel I have something to defend I can not say I would defend it not matter what.
I would need to feel I or we, are not the cause.
If I felt we had done something wrong, I would rather put right the wrong, than to try and defend it.
Maybe others might feel this way, but I can't answer that.
Quote by Max777
I understand where you are coming from too Minx but I would answer no to your question. I think anyone can feel proud of their own country at any time...I certainly do ( despite its many shortcomings) but have no time for anyone being nationalistic or jingoistic ( as mentioned by Flower).
I think one of the quotes posted by JTS sums it up perfectly
Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.
Charles de Gaulle
Max I do feel proud of this country, in that I feel in general we are accepting of others, and hopefully remains so. I feel as a nation we have come a long way, more so than a lot of other countries, this I feel proud of. To say love of our own people first, I stuggle with that, as I feel that about humans in general, unless of course they personally make me feel different towards them. I think to many times people tarnish all with the same brush, this is what I have real issues with.
So if Patriotic means to always put my own first, I don't always see that as the right thing to do. Of course i would be the first to defend if someone wanted to attack, but unless we understand the reasons we will never find a solution.
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Kent everything have its extreems I am lucky to be British to be who I am. As to be british has given me the freedom luckily to educate myself, maybe this is a wrong thing as that education has taught me, I or my country is not the most important thing in the world.
The whole world is all important to all of us and all that lives in it.
I was simply stating that history is littered with conflicts because groups of people were too patriotic. This lead to beliefs that they were better and superior to all other groups.
Two world wars in history are the result of patriotism gone to far.
What makes us any better than anyone else?
I think you are confusing patriotism and nationalism....
Maybe, but couldn't one lead to the other?
I believe there is a very fine line.
I think there is a very distinct difference. Nationalism was a major contributor to the causes of the two world wars.......patriotism played a major role in defeating it.
Thanks Max I do see your point here, so if Nationalism can be one of the major factors in the cause of conflict. And Patriotism plays a major role in defending it.
Would we only then need to feel Patriotic, if we felt the need to defend something?
Quote by Max777
Kent everything have its extreems I am lucky to be British to be who I am. As to be british has given me the freedom luckily to educate myself, maybe this is a wrong thing as that education has taught me, I or my country is not the most important thing in the world.
The whole world is all important to all of us and all that lives in it.
I was simply stating that history is littered with conflicts because groups of people were too patriotic. This lead to beliefs that they were better and superior to all other groups.
Two world wars in history are the result of patriotism gone to far.
What makes us any better than anyone else?
I think you are confusing patriotism and nationalism....
Maybe, but couldn't one lead to the other?
I believe there is a very fine line.
