google bristol full wax treatments, seems like a lot of people do it there,
alternatively a trip to Rio...........
There is always the risk of saying something about yourself which is taken quite differently by other people. So it sounds as if this is what happened. The naturists just need to be more careful who they speak to and under what circumstances. Not that they need to feel its wrong to do so,but to avoid having to deal with a tedious and pointless conversation or reactions from other people.
What is probably more questionable is why they should choose to use swingers as an example of people they don't wish to appear to be. Misdirecting? Pointing the finger elsewhere? Easiest way out?
anyway, the point is that if people are fully informed; and subsequently make a decision to join, we can assume they are okay with it?
I thought I was a volunteer?
Actually I think what is happening is no different from a company who puts out a big promotion and giveaways of 'free' stuff, in order to create business. Usually no one questions that, and is happy to pocket a free or cheap product.
In this case there is more of a family/community aspect and therefore the feeling, for some, of a visible equal share. We free punters knew where we stood. But for newbies it comes as an awakening.
But its no different from ordinary life. Our life is what it is because people before us made the houses and transport, the industry etc. It's how progress works, someone does the groundwork and the next lot have it easier. Except they effectively pay their dues.
We all get nobbled somewhere in life like this.
payers want to lower their costs or keep them the same. it is expected that by charging the free members sufficient revenue is raised to do this.
but if free members don't rejoin, then the revenue won't be raised. a costly technical, admin and business exercise will still need to be paid for.
who pays? the existing paid members.
so is it a reasonable risk for paid members to take?
Most of the rising costs have been brought about by IT technical developments, and 'sundry' business costs. Therefore any new ideas are going to incur such costs again to be implemented.
Again the paying members will be hit. But if non paying members leave, you are left with a higher bill to pay, as the hoped for revenue would not be realised.
Its not all that uncommon to find sites that have a similar legacy, so its usually accepted once people find out.
there's some web sites which specialise in detailing such things about web sites by recording their progress and changes.
but does anyone think like that when they see our gorgeous babes and boys having fun?
i don't think there are many examples of where a group of people have a unanimous set of criteria. most groups function on a scale of relative values. so following this idea seems to have an unlikely outcome.
perhaps this free membership is precisely why sh is seen to be a leading site on the net. to undermine that quality seems self destructive.
I think its the nature of success, capitalism etc. those in at the start reap the benefits. check out any thriving business or industry and the same set of things apply.
sometimes the idea of a share out works, fat bankers may forego their bonuses, set up charities etc.
but i think most of the old members would just stop using the site if they had to pay.
but i think its an example of how the internet seems to promise a lot but somehow just makes you pay for your own beliefs.
Well I suppose the point of the thread is there a specific benefit or any in pursuing swinging through the portals of the sh site? because it appears to have a filtering effect on some members of the population. so in some way is either grooming or differentiating between people?
so that our intrepid swingers set off for an evening's sploshing with a quite different headpiece than they would require if the activities were brought about through another site. Would there be a significantly different character to the ensuing clusterfuck?
evidently there appears to be je ne sais quoi to the motivations and inspirations between the varying sites.
Or is it a good example of what the internet does to a community of people who have a similar requirement? Does the internet divide, misdirect and mislead only to create profit making agencies who then reassemble all the various divisions, because the actual thing they do would cease completely?
That's that sex without sex thing isn't it?
We get that here, its called logging in, browsing, using the forums and chat; emailing and time wasting.
never a touch involved, and you do get the feeling that people are doing things with their breath, like cursing under it.
I think what I notice the most is that here people tend to behave themselves and on other sites they are themselves.
also if you read through the 'about us' section, you will find that sh has received a legitimate status. which in all aspects approves of how it goes about its activities.
most web sites work in just the same way. in that you can view most of their contents, without having to be a member.
is the forum being invited into an erotic experience or about to witness the obscene?
i blew an opportunity recently. i had approached an attractive old girl and got into a chat. but i was on my way to something else. after a while i wrote down my mobile number in the hope she might call. i said goodye and turned back to see her throwing the number in a bin.
so at our age that just wasn't good enough.
the point is if an opportunity comes along you need to be in the position to carry something through to a significant point.
i can't imagine that what ensued was conducted in silence, sign language or by text message either.
so however it was communicated the battle lines were drawn up.
the thing is though, when you book into a hotel or even a b/b, you don't normally get asked questions.
so i can't help but think the two gay guys must have gone in there with an attitude, and made it more than obvious.
whereupon the creepy christians went into retaliation mode.
it sounds as if you can show your preference, but you can't show discrimination. although either can produce the equivalent result.
leaving it up to the legal profession to assist those who feel offended.
which i think in the end would simply involve a toss of the coin as to who could be bothered to follow it to a conclusion, and if it was cost effective enough to warrant doing.
they probably used the same actors!
setting aside this situation and others where the word is often misused; prejudice is more to do with having a set of criteria that determines how you make a decision. this can be orders from your boss or peer pressure.
preference is where you have time to consider in your own way how to make a decision.
No I really think we are going to have to go back to Crossroads, on this one.
i think i no longer have sympathy for some 'minority' groups. having achieved a certain amount of legal support and public consideration, they now seem prepared to go on the attack with as much prejudice and discrimination as they felt has been inflicted on them.
i think the charge of 'indirect racism' is also unfair. that seems to have been thrown in for good measure as some kind of acknowledgement to the sensibilities of the situation.
In what way was it proved to be?
I think its Judi Dench or Imelda Staunton. Any one else care to guess?
Thank god crocks have died off!