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An Open Letter to the Owners of SH

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Do other customers agree?

Quote by woohoo

Why should anyone praise someone for supplying something they pay for? You really do have a way with words. rolleyes

Well!! the way I was brought up was to have manners and if someone gave me something which I paid for like shopping or even a bus ticket I would say thanks.

The person taking the bus ticket is not supplying the service, the bus company is and I'm assuming you don't write to them with praise every time you make a journey?

I firmly believe that manners cost nothing and help make the world a better place.

I couldn't agree more, but then I'm aware that saying thank you and displaying manners is not the same as praising someone.
Quote by Ian
rolleyes :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Nice to see all the mods/ops are on the same page :roll:
>>>>ian brings the word "some" to the party biggrin
And so you should. My apologies.
Quote by Peanut
rolleyes :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Nice to see all the mods/ops are on the same page :roll:
>>>>ian brings the word "some" to the party biggrin
And so you should. My apologies.
:thumbup:
Quote by Sgt Bilko
Maybe There is something between the lines of my posts that I and others fail to see lol
I wish I was a bit taller - well, a lot taller actually!!
Need to check in case I am writing in invisible ink wink

Hmmm!! Take another look!! :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :wink:
rotflmao
Naughty Sarge!!
Quote by Peanut
The person taking the bus ticket is not supplying the service, the bus company is and I'm assuming you don't write to them with praise every time you make a journey?

I think you will find that you are the one that mentioned praise not me lol and without the person giving you the ticket i.e the bus driver, you wouldn't be making the journey, And I would be the one taking the ticket the driver would be the one giving me it :lol: :lol:
I would say thank you to the driver

Quote by Peanut
Horse dead a flogging springs to mind here :shock:
Quote by woohoo
The person taking the bus ticket is not supplying the service, the bus company is and I'm assuming you don't write to them with praise every time you make a journey?

I think you will find that you are the one that mentioned praise not me lol
You were saying...
Quote by woohoo
And I said, if they complain when they get a bad service do they praise when they get a good service?

You really must get a grip of what you write if you want to be taken seriously.

and without the person giving you the ticket i.e the bus driver, you wouldnt be making the journey, And I would be the one taking the ticket the driver would be the one giving me it :lol: :lol:
I would say thank you to the driver

The only thing the driver is giving you is the time of day. he's paid to drive you where you want to go. You aren't paying him, you are paying the bus company.
Anyway, when was the last time you went on a bus?

But I didn't did I?
Right - that is enough you two!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
Please take it to PM if you wish to continue bickering!!
I have locked the thread temporarily. It will be opened again tomorrow, when hopefully it won't be dominated by verbal ping-pong. confused :? :?
Not nitpicking, but even with a multinational company like for instance BT, they aim to repair faults etc within 3 working days before they will pay compensation,,,, now specicaly here, well having been a memer for a fair few years (not just on this account) then this is by far one of the better sites for the system to continue running, and in one of the replies a comment mentioned server 1 going down, have SH not recently added an additional server ..... not much hassle to set a room up on there really or is that just a waste of software??
Quote by st3v3
In the case of BT in the early days they controlled all of the handsets of their users, after that the handsets have to be certified to certain standards, with the chatroom users we have no control over the configuration of the members PC's and how they are set up, add to that ISP's and problems happen. Whilst many use the chatroom with no issues, others have problems and we spend a lot of time trying to help solve these via support tickets on a case by case basis.
If a server goes down we always try to get it back on line as quickly as possible, the last time this happened we didn't find out until sometime after, despite having all sorts of alert services.
I think you missed what I was trying to say ......... basically nothing gets fixed in a flash and no matter what software is used there are gliches/breakdowns .... even bill gates will admit to flaws in programs ..... people should just be patient, its not like it dosent get sorted for weeks on end and giving people a hard time is not the way to resolve anything. I appreciate the work that goes into hosting interactive websites like this and people here do their best biggrin Good on you guys for doing what you do (even if it does take a couple of days to fix the best things in life are worth waiting for !!
I think........... if you have paid ....... you expect to be able to use what you have paid for!!!
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
p.s. I aint one of them! :giggle:
I think there are two sides to the "the site doesn't work" arguement.
Firstly yes, there are times when the whole chat system falls over. As one of the op's I can assure you that when this happens, there is a great deal of activity going on behind the scenes to try and get the system up and running with a minimal down time. As failures will normally happen during times of peak load, this pretty much ensures that this is outside of normal working hours.
Sometimes however the site isn't working for an individual, or a group of people, but it's working absolutely bang on for everybody else. If this is the case then the fault probably is not site based, but would be more wide ranging. Maybe it's the individual's pc, perhaps their internet connection or ISP. The history of threads in this forum show some people being very vocal in throwing accusations, then after afew hours post an "ooops, somebody must have changed my firewall settings".
How would we all fair if the site set a mandatory minimum for pc hardware and software before access to the site was granted? I personally don't think I'd be able to use the site from the PC I'm on now.
Lets face it, when people are asked the questions about defraging their hard drive, or clearing their cache, or removing temporary internet files, the standard reply seems to be "and now in English please!".
With the poor weather last night, we totally lost digital televison signal here in midsville, and analogue telly was so poor, I was watching the snooker and there were four cue balls on the snooker table. lol
Earlier this year I had to take six domestic flights in a week. Every single one of them arrived late, only not too late that I would have been awarded any compensation. To go on holiday our family went by ferry. Both the outward and inbound crossings were delayed by several hours.
What I'm trying to say by this ramble is that life sometimes doesn't run perfectly smoothly for everybody 100% of the time. And on the times that chat does fall over just remember that there are people trying to get it up and running for you.
Ian
Its broken again!!! :cry:
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Quote by blonde
Its broken again!!! :cry:
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Assume the position innocent
smackbottom
Quote by st3v3
Assume the position

:shock: Flamin' Nora st3v3!
I wondered what you were going to say then :eeek:
:evil2:
Quote by st3v3
Its broken again!!! :cry:
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Assume the position innocent
smackbottom
OK ............ but ............. it did take 4 goes before it would let me in!! promise redface
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Quote by blonde
Its broken again!!! :cry:
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Assume the position innocent
smackbottom
OK ............ but ............. it did take 4 goes before it would let me in!! promise redface
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

You have that problem every time you go back to somewhere you have been before!! confused :? lol :lol: :lol: wink
Quote by Ian
snip...
With the poor weather last night, we totally lost digital televison signal here in midsville, and analogue telly was so poor, I was watching the snooker and there were four cue balls on the snooker table. lol
Ian

You been at the sauce again Ian?
bolt
It is a bit of a long thread and I apologise in advance if these points have already been made.
I have been in the iT industry for 36 years (yes computers really have been around that long)
The pure fact of the matter is that this will be down to one of three problems
1. The software is not fit for purpose. SH has grown and the software capabilities have not or...
2. The Server resources (CPU/memory and or disk space) are massively below par. They are not breaking down, servers don't break that often. But servers do suffer when having workloads thrust upon them that they just can't handle. This is proven by the fact that this is very obviously a workload driven problem. IE everything is fine at the quite times of day...but fri sat nights????...or
3. The iT staff haven't a clue and either or both of the above just gets exacerbated because of this. The answer would be to get a consultant in who specialises in performance/throughput problems (and by the way I am not one so dont ask)
The real reason that encompasses all the above is that SH is owned by a company that runs by the money it can make. They are not interested if you get your leg over or not, they're interested in their bonuses. Not talking about SH now but the parent company that thought there were rich pickings to be had by buying SH.
All except professionally run companies will try to get the most they can for as little outlay as possible. I have seen this time and time again in my job. I have lost count of the number of times I have told a customer " There is no hardware problem. Your performance/throughput problems are purely down to you're trying to get two pints out of a pint pot."
There are guys out there making a living fixing just this sort of problem that Chat is having.
I would lay very high money that this is the real problem with the chat servers at this time
Paul (and Maria)
I thought this had all been dealt with dunno
Everyone seems to be an expert on this..
the fact is, an "ex" is a has been and a "spurt" is a drip under pressure...
With so many variables, as st3v3 has already said, it's nigh impossible to control. In a work environment, the "propeller heads" can control the standard of "clients" logging into the system. In a "public" environment there are so many variables which cannot be controlled by the centre so little wonder that there may be problems from time to time. In fact, I'm surprised there are so few!
The fact of the matter is that SH works wonderfully well in the main.
It's for fun and your life doesn't depend on it!
If you want to have a go at systems where life does depend on it, you don't need to look far! The NHS system and anything the HMG throws money (our money) at are a better target for rants!
If you're not able to get in to chat, spend some time the Forum instead :thumbup:
I am a Senior European Support Specialist for a very large multinational Computer Company, having worked my way up to that position over 36 yrs (28 with the company I am with now)
I am paid a lot of money to know what I am talking about, unlike those that think they are 'experts' because they know how to defrag a drive or install a printer...
Only been here 3 days - can't see us staying much longer to be honest if we are not allowed to contribute constructively because we are 'newbies' and not members of the 'in crowd'. I did apologise at the beginning of my last message if it had been covered before - you only had to ignore it...
I was only after all trying to enlighten and maybe help?
I can't imagine for one moment I'll be contributing again and I know that Maria has seen enough on this site to tell her that we are better doing the 'real life' thing, not driving a PC
Respectfully yours
Paul (and Maria)
PS Your definition of expert is about 26 yrs old, first expounded by Derek 'Blaster' Bates, a life long Demolition 'expert'
Quote by Mariapaul
I am a Senior European Support Specialist for a very large multinational Computer Company, having worked my way up to that position over 36 yrs (28 with the company I am with now)
I am paid a lot of money to know what I am talking about, unlike those that think they are 'experts' because they know how to defrag a drive or install a printer...
Only been here 3 days - can't see us staying much longer to be honest if we are not allowed to contribute constructively because we are 'newbies' and not members of the 'in crowd'. I did apologise at the beginning of my last message if it had been covered before - you only had to ignore it...
I was only after all trying to enlighten and maybe help?
I can't imagine for one moment I'll be contributing again and I know that Maria has seen enough on this site to tell her that we are better doing the 'real life' thing, not driving a PC
Respectfully yours
Paul (and Maria)
PS Your definition of expert is about 26 yrs old, first expounded by Derek 'Blaster' Bates, a life long Demolition 'expert'

Seems we've been around a similar length of time then wink
Quote by Mariapaul
It is a bit of a long thread and I apologise in advance if these points have already been made.
I have been in the iT industry for 36 years (yes computers really have been around that long)
The pure fact of the matter is that this will be down to one of three problems
1. The software is not fit for purpose. SH has grown and the software capabilities have not or...
2. The Server resources (CPU/memory and or disk space) are massively below par. They are not breaking down, servers don't break that often. But servers do suffer when having workloads thrust upon them that they just can't handle. This is proven by the fact that this is very obviously a workload driven problem. IE everything is fine at the quite times of day...but fri sat nights????...or
3. The iT staff haven't a clue and either or both of the above just gets exacerbated because of this. The answer would be to get a consultant in who specialises in performance/throughput problems (and by the way I am not one so dont ask)
The real reason that encompasses all the above is that SH is owned by a company that runs by the money it can make. They are not interested if you get your leg over or not, they're interested in their bonuses. Not talking about SH now but the parent company that thought there were rich pickings to be had by buying SH.
All except professionally run companies will try to get the most they can for as little outlay as possible. I have seen this time and time again in my job. I have lost count of the number of times I have told a customer " There is no hardware problem. Your performance/throughput problems are purely down to you're trying to get two pints out of a pint pot."
There are guys out there making a living fixing just this sort of problem that Chat is having.
I would lay very high money that this is the real problem with the chat servers at this time
Paul (and Maria)

Its pretty easy to jump to conclusions, in fairness you did apologise at the start if things have been covered before, mostly they have but as you made a number of statements about us I thought I would respond;
1. The software is not fit for purpose. SH has grown and the software capabilities have not or...

It works, but not for everybody all of the time, we have covered it elsewhere, ISP's and peoples PC's are the main issue, even the most widely used comparable video chatroom has disconnection issues, I know as I've tested it on busy sites. Chatroom development has been pretty much ongoing continually here for years, the current flash based version has gone as far as we can take it, were looking at a totally different way of doing it for the next update.
2. The Server resources (CPU/memory and or disk space) are massively below par. They are not breaking down, servers don't break that often. But servers do suffer when having workloads thrust upon them that they just can't handle. This is proven by the fact that this is very obviously a workload driven problem. IE everything is fine at the quite times of day...but fri sat nights????...or

There is plenty of overhead on server resources, the servers we use can handle way more than we throw at them, most outages are down to things hanging and this doesn't happen that often.
3. The iT staff haven't a clue and either or both of the above just gets exacerbated because of this. The answer would be to get a consultant in who specialises in performance/throughput problems (and by the way I am not one so dont ask)

You have no idea how far off of mainstream the chatroom is, to state that our staff haven't a clue is on the face of it insulting, its easy to suggest a high level consultant, the thing is we do use them, maybe in the area you work this is a typical issue simple to fix, its not the same here.
The real reason that encompasses all the above is that SH is owned by a company that runs by the money it can make. They are not interested if you get your leg over or not, they're interested in their bonuses. Not talking about SH now but the parent company that thought there were rich pickings to be had by buying SH.

Sure, we need to make a profit, but your take on how things work is total bollox, why would we skimp on making the site better to save a few quid or try to ignore what people want out of the site to stay here, from a business point of view thats mad and also on another level you have no idea what makes us tick or what we care about.
All except professionally run companies will try to get the most they can for as little outlay as possible. I have seen this time and time again in my job. I have lost count of the number of times I have told a customer " There is no hardware problem. Your performance/throughput problems are purely down to you're trying to get two pints out of a pint pot."

True, but thats never been an area we have tried to save money on, quite the opposite, but then in fairness you wouldn't know that the issues haven't been hardware related, its an easy assumption to jump to.
I would lay very high money that this is the real problem with the chat servers at this time

I'd take that bet cool
I know you're new here, I don't make a habit of dissecting posts for the sake of it as I think its bad form, if people seem hostile to you its because you came in with both guns blazing, why I have no idea, for all I know you could be an ex member with an axe to grind, a competitor or just someone that came here, found something was down and tried to post some observations, when you start lacing them with insults its bound to upset people.
Probably not the best way to start, but if you do hang around you will see that this is the best place and that people aren't hostile when you get to know them.
Agrapo the above:
Quote 'Sure, we need to make a profit' unquote.
So you are a financialy viable business then? Then why do you not act as a business?
Listen to your customers, deal with your self invoked IT problems yourselves, keep people informed and refund their fees where appropriate.
Run the systems in parallel and allow people to use the pre-flashy techno bubble one separately. Offer a Choice!
You have ostrasised window mobile users through your IT experts so called use of flash windows for opening pics (for example), just for a cosmetic up-grade and a seemingly flash product. But hey think on this, they do not work on WM5 mobiles. It does not work. I am really t'eed off about this as you can imagine.
So what are you going to do about it?
Time to chip in another two-penneth.....
A number of people have commented in this thread about what is wrong in their opinion(and I'll hold my hand up and say that I've contributed similar comments in the past in other threads).
You can only guess at what it might be, seeing how you don't have access to SH technology and haven't seen the back-end problems first hand. It doesn't matter how experienced you are in the IT industry (and there are plenty of us on here), you won't know for definite unless you see it for yourself. I'd also add that technology is only part of the picture (albeit a large part in this case).
Makes me thing about a particular cartoon (which I had a laugh about when digging it out for this reply, given the inclusion of the swing):

It would be good if things were improved. I have no doubt that the guys behind the scenes are doing what they can and are working hard. For me, the most important thing is regular communication and trying major changes out extensively before putting them into live service.
I think most people would feel at least a little happier if they understood when pilots are happening and what they can expect. And of course, having a watertight rollback plan in case it doesn't go as expected.
Quote by McrM4M-pvtOK
Time to chip in another two-penneth.....
A number of people have commented in this thread about what is wrong in their opinion (and I'll hold my hand up and say that I've contributed similar comments in the past in other threads).
You can only guess at what it might be, seeing how you don't have access to SH technology and haven't seen the back-end problems first hand. It doesn't matter how experienced you are in the IT industry (and there are plenty of us on here), you won't know for definite unless you see it for yourself. I'd also add that technology is only part of the picture (albeit a large part in this case).
Makes me thing about a particular cartoon (which I had a laugh about when digging it out for this reply, given the inclusion of the swing):

It would be good if things were improved. I have no doubt that the guys behind the scenes are doing what they can and are working hard. For me, the most important thing is regular communication and trying major changes out extensively before putting them into live service.
I think most people would feel at least a little happier if they understood when pilots are happening and what they can expect. And of course, having a watertight rollback plan in case it doesn't go as expected.

without being a arse hole wtf is going on here, might get banned for this but how do these guys and girls who run this site explain why most members on here have there private gallery showing !!!!!!! the site must be taken offline until its sorted its the most stupidest thing ever.....get a grip admin ffs and thanks for letting everybody seeing our very private pics
Quote by andymish69
Time to chip in another two-penneth.....
A number of people have commented in this thread about what is wrong in their opinion (and I'll hold my hand up and say that I've contributed similar comments in the past in other threads).
You can only guess at what it might be, seeing how you don't have access to SH technology and haven't seen the back-end problems first hand. It doesn't matter how experienced you are in the IT industry (and there are plenty of us on here), you won't know for definite unless you see it for yourself. I'd also add that technology is only part of the picture (albeit a large part in this case).
Makes me thing about a particular cartoon (which I had a laugh about when digging it out for this reply, given the inclusion of the swing):

It would be good if things were improved. I have no doubt that the guys behind the scenes are doing what they can and are working hard. For me, the most important thing is regular communication and trying major changes out extensively before putting them into live service.
I think most people would feel at least a little happier if they understood when pilots are happening and what they can expect. And of course, having a watertight rollback plan in case it doesn't go as expected.

without being a arse hole wtf is going on here, might get banned for this but how do these guys and girls who run this site explain why most members on here have there private gallery showing !!!!!!! the site must be taken offline until its sorted its the most stupidest thing ever.....get a grip admin ffs and thanks for letting everybody seeing our very private pics
and posted ages ago get it sorted or reply !!!!!!!!
Quote by andymish69
Time to chip in another two-penneth.....
A number of people have commented in this thread about what is wrong in their opinion (and I'll hold my hand up and say that I've contributed similar comments in the past in other threads).
You can only guess at what it might be, seeing how you don't have access to SH technology and haven't seen the back-end problems first hand. It doesn't matter how experienced you are in the IT industry (and there are plenty of us on here), you won't know for definite unless you see it for yourself. I'd also add that technology is only part of the picture (albeit a large part in this case).
Makes me thing about a particular cartoon (which I had a laugh about when digging it out for this reply, given the inclusion of the swing):

It would be good if things were improved. I have no doubt that the guys behind the scenes are doing what they can and are working hard. For me, the most important thing is regular communication and trying major changes out extensively before putting them into live service.
I think most people would feel at least a little happier if they understood when pilots are happening and what they can expect. And of course, having a watertight rollback plan in case it doesn't go as expected.

without being a arse hole wtf is going on here, might get banned for this but how do these guys and girls who run this site explain why most members on here have there private gallery showing !!!!!!! the site must be taken offline until its sorted its the most stupidest thing ever.....get a grip admin ffs and thanks for letting everybody seeing our very private pics
and posted ages ago get it sorted or reply !!!!!!!!
Have been and viewed quite a few profiles and many have private galleries....
And I cant view any of them without an invite .....
Not impressed here.....the damage has been done now. Our pics are pvt for a reason and we do not want to renew our membership if you cannot guarantee our privacy. evil Especially as we are a paying customer. It needs to be sorted ASAP!!!!!!
Quote by Steve
Time to chip in another two-penneth.....
A number of people have commented in this thread about what is wrong in their opinion (and I'll hold my hand up and say that I've contributed similar comments in the past in other threads).
You can only guess at what it might be, seeing how you don't have access to SH technology and haven't seen the back-end problems first hand. It doesn't matter how experienced you are in the IT industry (and there are plenty of us on here), you won't know for definite unless you see it for yourself. I'd also add that technology is only part of the picture (albeit a large part in this case).
Makes me thing about a particular cartoon (which I had a laugh about when digging it out for this reply, given the inclusion of the swing):

It would be good if things were improved. I have no doubt that the guys behind the scenes are doing what they can and are working hard. For me, the most important thing is regular communication and trying major changes out extensively before putting them into live service.
I think most people would feel at least a little happier if they understood when pilots are happening and what they can expect. And of course, having a watertight rollback plan in case it doesn't go as expected.

without being a arse hole wtf is going on here, might get banned for this but how do these guys and girls who run this site explain why most members on here have there private gallery showing !!!!!!! the site must be taken offline until its sorted its the most stupidest thing ever.....get a grip admin ffs and thanks for letting everybody seeing our very private pics
and posted ages ago get it sorted or reply !!!!!!!!
Have been and viewed quite a few profiles and many have private galleries....
And I cant view any of them without an invite .....
Trust us you can. We have looked at some profiles and seen pics and vise versa.