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dogging in birmingham

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I know by posting this, i'll get loads of men telling me the best places to go and then they'll all turn up but here goes....
I'm going dogging with a couple in birmingham and am looking for the best places to go, anyone who has any ideas or maybe could even accomodate just to watch would be greatful recieved...especially if they are female... lol
I know the usually places such as the lickeys and cannon hill park, even the ackers but they are usually filled with lil scroats in the their cars...not really my scene. We have a van, just need some fun out in the open without the usual farce...
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i can empathize with your circumstance DP. birmingham tends to have its extremes which can be quite offputting. the outskirts of east brum is quite nice ;coleshill etc....if your considering a place i'll be happy to help out , bye