A cple caught dogging in Ayrshire Scotland have been placed on the register, so be very careful out there, having fun is one thing getting put on this can seriously effect the rest of your life Fran & Ian
Far too general a post! Dogging, as such, is not against the law. Neither is female nudity, while male nudity may be an offence if someone takes umbrage and decides to complain. Likewise, as I understand things, a public sex act (hetrosexual) is only against the law if in such a location as to give offense (ie. someone complains). This couple obviously have commited some offence, but it is not much use to know they have been placed on the sex offenders register without knowing what they were convicted of. Having spoken to a friend of mine who is a criminal solicitor, he tells me that without involving children or animals, it is almost impossible, in this country, for a woman to be placed on the register! What exactly were they doing?
Ah! ...... Usual local press bullshit. They quote the couple denied a charge of "dogging", which is unsurprising as there is no such offence under Uk, Scottish or EU law. Again......the full story and the actual charges would be much more informative!
NOt being a laywer or reporter or present at the incident or trial ----- I can only report on what has been published in the national and local press My thoughts in posting were to advise of the possible consequences---but obviously you KNOW better!!!
Hey! Each to their own......I would never accept something at face value just because it was in some newspaper....especially when the reporter has no clue what he is writing about.... By the way, it's CARPE DIEM
The relevant section of the 2003 Sex Act to doggers is Section 66 Exposure and Section 67 Voyeurism. Under Section 66, doggers are at risk of the law if it is their intention to cause alarm or distress to members of the public. So, if you take reasonable precautions to make sure that you are well out of public view, you should be fine. Essentially, this means only go dogging at night, away from residential areas and well away from the major carparks where anyone could turn up. If you use the carparks as a general meeting area, then move on to a more discreet location to play, you're taking steps to ensure no one is offended. Under Section 67, doggers are only at risk if they approach couples having sex in cars that are not doggers, and therefore not consenting, but are just simply courting couples. A large number of dogging locations have grown from well established lovers lanes and gay cruising areas, so there is a potential risk of being in breach of section 67. Luckily, the signals used in dogging establish the consent of the couple wanting people to watch them have sex, and therefore section 67 no longer applies as long as you only approach cars that have signalled to you. 2003 Sexual Offences Act - Section 66 : Exposure (1) A person commits an offence if- (a) he intentionally exposes his genitals, and (b) he intends that someone will see them and be caused alarm or distress. (2) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable- (a) on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or both; (b) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years. 2003 Sex Act - Section 67 : Voyeurism (1) A person commits an offence if- (a) for the purpose of obtaining sexual gratification, he observes another person doing a private act, and (b) he knows that the other person does not consent to being observed for his sexual gratification. (2) A person commits an offence if- (a) he operates equipment with the intention of enabling another person to observe, for the purpose of obtaining sexual gratification, a third person (B) doing a private act, and (b) he knows that B does not consent to his operating equipment with that intention. (3) A person commits an offence if- (a) he records another person (B) doing a private act, (b) he does so with the intention that he or a third person will, for the purpose of obtaining sexual gratification, look at an image of B doing the act, and (c) he knows that B does not consent to his recording the act with that intention. (4) A person commits an offence if he instals equipment, or constructs or adapts a structure or part of a structure, with the intention of enabling himself or another person to commit an offence under subsection (1). (5) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable- (a) on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or both; (b) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years.
The law was changed some time ago, relating to police witnessing a sex act> Prior to the change police officers were considered to be unlikely to be offended or distressed by witnessing an even. Since the change (sic) you can be prosecuted by a police officer shining a light upon the parties involved. The consent part of the voyeurism legislation will not be proceeded with, but the exposure part will be....if your luck is bad ! Who cares ? Not me....If I'm stupid enough to not notice a uniformed policeperson wandering about then I deserve all I get. Out-of-uniform and they have a problem anyway....again, stupidity comes into it..
At the end of the day you pick your location & take your chances!!!!! Some police forces are more disruptive to our chosen pastime than others its down to the individual to be warry....
I had to laugh at this bit (Speaking later at home in Irvine, McDougall, who appeared to have suffered an injury near his eye, said: "I'm really sorry it happened but I don't want to talk about it. My wife knows about it.")
Quote by bomber I had to laugh at this bit (Speaking later at home in Irvine, McDougall, who appeared to have suffered an injury near his eye, said: "I'm really sorry it happened but I don't want to talk about it. My wife knows about it.")
well I dont think people should be doing it in public places, I know there is a place where we go and after 10pm the only people who would be going in that area is doggers, through the day its a place where walkers and families go so I think its out of order when they go through the day, even as I dogger I would be fumming if when on a family day out I came across some doggers in a fairly public place
Excellent post again JTS mate, and at the risk of repeating myself........does anyone here (possibly the single biggest group of information swapping dogging couples on the internet) KNOW anyone that has been arrested/chargedfor dogging ??
hello all well in my experience the only offence that is being committed is that of outraging public decency (sorry for the spelling lol). this is complete if there are atleast two other persons present but they do not have to see the act. With this offence if you are at a well known dogging spot the chances are there will be others there so the offence is complete. Statements do not need to be taken to see if those persons were upset by the actions of others. Saying that police are more concerned that it is not someone kerb crawling, the likely hood is that you would get a warning and laughed at by police. indecent exposure does not just relate to males it also includes females. any genitals showing in a public place is in play it does not include breasts however. also you have to think outside the box as law can be bent shall we say. You may be committing a public order offence as you may likely cause someone harrassment alarm or distress. in regards to voyerism. with dogging the offence is not complete as genrally the person being watched has given some consent. If police went down this line you may be arrested but in interview state that lights were flashed etc doggers code. This gives implied permission to watch thus not making the offence complete as you need to watch without permission. And exposure again the offence will not be complete if you did not intend to alarm or distrees anyone when in fact you do it for the opposite. In most occasion you can be arrested but if you say the right things in interview you should be ok and not recieve a charge etc. but as i stated you will more likely get a warning and laughed at but if you go dogging in the day in a area which is not out of the way then hey what to you expect. anyway i have went on abit. i am on the the side off the doggers. i am a uniformed guy (read into it as you will LOL) and know a little about the law and hope this helps
Quote by caveman81 hello all well in my experience the only offence that is being committed is that of outraging public decency (sorry for the spelling lol). this is complete if there are atleast two other persons present but they do not have to see the act. With this offence if you are at a well known dogging spot the chances are there will be others there so the offence is complete
The act has to be witnessed by at least ONE person, otherwise there is no evidence that any act took place at all. Then there have to be other people somewhere about that MAY have witnessed it if they looked
The act was of such a lewd character as to outrage public decency; this element constituted the *nature* of the act which *had* to be proved before the offence could be established. ii) It took place in a public place and must have been capable of being seen by two or more persons who were actually present, even if they had not actually seen it. This constituted the public element of the offence which had to be proved. As the cases to which we will refer show, there was still some uncertainty as to what was required. In all the cases the act had in fact been seen by one person, but Elliot and White left open the point summarised by Weightman J which we have set out
LORD JUSTICE THOMAS, giving the judgment of the court, said that the relevant common-law offence involved two key elements: First, it had to be proved that the act was of such a lewd, obscene or disgusting character that it outraged public decency; and in the instant case it was clear that the act was one which was capable of being adjudged by a jury to be such an act; and the jury had been entitled to find that it was such an act even if no one saw the defendant carrying it out
But that guy had a camera in a bag to film up skirts, sorta shot himself in the foot...
in regards to voyerism. with dogging the offence is not complete as genrally the person being watched has given some consent. If police went down this line you may be arrested but in interview state that lights were flashed etc doggers code. This gives implied permission to watch thus not making the offence complete as you need to watch without permission
Quite. I await with glee the arrested persons protestations about it being consensual when the couple deny it ! And there has been one case that I remember. A couple where in the car, with the interior light on, talking. Mr ***** arrived, took it to be a couple dogging, and whipped his todger out and started to have some fun. Unfortunately, the couple were talking, only. And not into weird sex games. Convicted. But, he wasn't a dogger. Just an idiot. No_meat_in: No_meat_out (golden rule)
And exposure again the offence will not be complete if you did not intend to alarm or distrees anyone when in fact you do it for the opposite. In most occasion you can be arrested but if you say the right things in interview you should be ok and not recieve a charge etc
Do not say anything. Anything you say will be used in evidence, never mind about cautions....money in the bank for the law. Say NOTHING, just name, address and DOB. Then ask for the duty solicitor and keep quiet anyway.
but as i stated you will more likely get a warning and laughed at but if you go dogging in the day in a area which is not out of the way then hey what to you expect
You're not out dogging, you're just tired:waiting:getting_a_breath_of_fresh_air. Never, ever, admit anything, ever.
anyway i have went on abit. i am on the the side off the doggers. i am a uniformed guy (read into it as you will LOL) and know a little about the law and hope this helps
Read the link to Gloucestershire police, they give the law. All you give is your name, address and date of birth.
We where caught by local constablary at 1am in local forest mmf naked in car dialect went. officer asked what we where doing, hubby replied having a picnic, officer says dont be funny, hubby says well dont ask stupid questions. Officer then says it is illegal to play in a public place, hubby says middle of forest at 1am is hardly public place, officer says well we found you, hubby says well you where looking for us. Hubby goes on to say if ya gonna do us then do it, officer replied, i am sure you know we cant !! he then asked us to dress and move on. We did, to a spot round the corner.
Quote by caveman81 If police went down this line you may be arrested but in interview state that lights were flashed etc doggers code. This gives implied permission to watch thus not making the offence complete as you need to watch without permission.
Hi Caveman! Just a question about this, if you're able to answer it - the "doggers code" isn't something that can be wholly defined, by law, so I'm curious as to how the conclusion of implied permission is reached when it's only anecdotal? Most of us will have seen various lights flashing of course (including the blue ones :shock: ) and view it as a visual message, I don't dispute that, but the doggers code isn't written down anywhere that can be used as evidence or defence legally. Is that not a bit like saying that someone who leaves a £20 note on their doorstep is giving implied consent for someone to take it? Not that I am complaining about it mind, purely curious about whether there's a legal basis for it or it's just leeway!
Quote by Silk and Big G Excellent post again JTS mate, and at the risk of repeating myself........does anyone here (possibly the single biggest group of information swapping dogging couples on the internet) KNOW anyone that has been arrested/charged for dogging ??
A bit like the flying dutchman legend then G ? Except substitute "the nicked dogger" for "the flying dutchman" ? Put about as a portent of doom.
"OOoAAHHH lad, you don't want to do that...that be where old Jim got his collar felt....there 'e were...wiv his dick 'angin' ahhhttt w'en in came orl dese cops...that were the last we saw of Jim...we 'eard 'is missus got rid of 'im"....
I got stopped by the police as I left a dogging spot. 2 coppers, one male, one female, the male asked what I had been up to and I told him, 'ive just had a blow job of a bloke officer'. The look on his face was priceless! Whilst he searched my car, the female officer was asking me all about dogging and seemed right up for it!
What particular reason were you given for the search ? And did you get the relevant documentation afterwards ?
I did Norfolk law this time...spread-it-around week ! You realise that your "encounter" will have been recorded ? And may show-up on a future crb check ?
Quote by Silk and Big G Excellent post again JTS mate, and at the risk of repeating myself........does anyone here (possibly the single biggest group of information swapping dogging couples on the internet) KNOW anyone that has been arrested/charged for dogging ??
Yup. Jon and I know a guy through the dogging circuit, who was arrested, charged and is now on the sex offenders register for two years after being caught dogging - not with us btw :lol2: He was arrested whilst dogging on a well known Dorset naturist beach around 18 months ago and it was featured in the local newspapers, including photo's of him :shock: Also, as he has three previous convictions for same, he has also been served with an ASBO, which bans him from visiting the beach and the dunes for three years. He was told in Court, that if he is arrested for this again, he will receive a prison sentence. I might add, that just because not many members of this site do not know - personally - someone who has been charged with these offences - does not mean it doesn't go on It does - and we must all remain vigilant - for our own protection, if nothing else. Jon and I have been given the third degree by the Police on more than one occasion - but luckily have never been arrested/charged with anything TJ
Quote by dorset2 We where caught by local constablary at 1am in local forest mmf naked in car dialect went. officer asked what we where doing, hubby replied having a picnic, officer says dont be funny, hubby says well dont ask stupid questions. Officer then says it is illegal to play in a public place, hubby says middle of forest at 1am is hardly public place, officer says well we found you, hubby says well you where looking for us. Hubby goes on to say if ya gonna do us then do it, officer replied, i am sure you know we cant !! he then asked us to dress and move on. We did, to a spot round the corner.
Quote by browning I got stopped by the police as I left a dogging spot. 2 coppers, one male, one female, the male asked what I had been up to and I told him, 'ive just had a blow job of a bloke officer'. The look on his face was priceless! Whilst he searched my car, the female officer was asking me all about dogging and seemed right up for it!
You would think the Police would have something better to do? Yet due to this advice am never trying Dogging. Was thinking about maybe doing it one day but now with this information in this excellent thread, am not. Great quotes from both dorset2 & browning.
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