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A Scottish council has confirmed it may consider introducing a four-day week in its primary and secondary schools to cope with planned funding cuts.
North Ayrshire Council said it was one of a number of future options being considered
Carol Kirk, the council's education director, said, "The option to deliver the statutory 25 hours of education per week over four rather than five days is also being explored by other local authorities in Scotland."
If implemented it could save the council more than £2m.
The council may also consider starting primary education a year later, when pupils are six-years-old, although no decisions have been taken on the proposals.
Bloody awful idea for those parents who have to pay for childcare. That whole day would cost as much as the other 4 afternoons put together. And I don't know that many people could even negotiate the 4 day week for themselves let alone afford it.
My feeling is that if they can get the current schooling into 4 days surely they can do that and give the kids 20% more teaching.
I can't imagine teachers being too keen on losing 20% of their salary either. Or will they be paid and do non-teaching work?
Overall I simply can't see it being capable of beng applied. Not without huge cost implications - inlcuding for the very councils that want to save money.
Foxy, surely the school can provide reasonably priced child care in return for a fee on the 5th day.
Wealthier parents can afford to pay if they wish, the less wealthy can claim tax credits for the professional care provided.
Sound strategic thinking I would suggest.
Sound like the best idea for years.
The state provides education for 25 hours for free, over 4 days.
Imagine how much saving on fuel there would be.
A massive 20% reduction on heating & lighting straight off.
A 20% reduction on car fuel emmisions for the school run.
Sounds like a "WIN WIN" idea to me.
Quote by Ben_welshminx
Foxy, surely the school can provide reasonably priced child care in return for a fee on the 5th day.
Wealthier parents can afford to pay if they wish, the less wealthy can claim tax credits for the professional care provided.
Sound strategic thinking I would suggest.

I agree with the first point - but if the school is going to babysit the kids - they could be teaching them since they have them there anyway. Otherwise what would they be doing - watching TV?
Teaching is way more expensive than child minding tho. And an additional advantage wot I just thought of, some kids might benefit from having "fun" in an environmental they might otherwise fear or despise.
Actually thinking about it schools arent used for 16 hours a day maybe there is an argument for shifts.
Quote by HnS
A Scottish council has confirmed it may consider introducing a four-day week in its primary and secondary schools to cope with planned funding cuts.
North Ayrshire Council said it was one of a number of future options being considered
Carol Kirk, the council's education director, said, "The option to deliver the statutory 25 hours of education per week over four rather than five days is also being explored by other local authorities in Scotland."
If implemented it could save the council more than £2m.
The council may also consider starting primary education a year later, when pupils are six-years-old, although no decisions have been taken on the proposals.

And what do you think about that, HnS?
Freckle,
No kids, so don't care on that score lol
Though looking at it from another stand point the idea may well have merit if schooling was M/T/W/T with Fridays off, be a bonus to all those parents who could then 'legally' take their kids out of school on a Friday when they are heading away on holidays, etc.
However some benefit for T/W/T/F and having Monday's off, this would mean that those schools that still have playing fields etc. wouldn't have to close a school then open up again on Saturday for their football, rugby, hockey, netball, etc. teams.
Also don't see why the current school day is 9 (ish) until just after 3 (ish), especially the secondary schools where trying to get them prepared for working could well now include a longer school day so as to reflect the longer working day.
Will probably alter the evening rush hour as well.
As for a 4 day week for students, presumably it will remain a 5 day week for the teachers then that way they'll have a guaranteed day for course preparation, planning, marking, staff meetings, etc. that they've long been crying out for.
Quote by robbo-bi1
Sound like the best idea for years.
The state provides education for 25 hours for free, over 4 days.
Imagine how much saving on fuel there would be.
A massive 20% reduction on heating & lighting straight off.
A 20% reduction on car fuel emmisions for the school run.
Sounds like a "WIN WIN" idea to me.

If its so great just apply it EVERYWHERE. I work in Education, I'll take a Friday off lol Ohh and a Friday too not a Monday as someone else mentioned cus if its a Friday you get a three day week when its a Bank holiday :twisted: Two problems though sad Its simply not practical and secondly I can already see 4-5 ways to milk this for everything its worth at everyone else's expense of course. Thats only referring to my personal situation add on everyone else's personal situations and there are probably 100's of ways to milk it.
Of course we could just work non stop for 2 days staying in our places of work and having sleep breaks. We could all then go home and turn the lights off :lol: We work five days and go to school five days because its practical tried and tested. Suddenly we have bunch of clever Scots who want to cause a lot of disruption debate and generally be a pain in the arse. Wait and see if they do do it though, I am guessing its not a vote winner so if they do do it probably wont last long when the next lot reverse it.
i think that reducing the number of days worked just makes the problem worse we all work 24/7 so why not schools then you could put your child on the school shift that suited your work pattern and if you increased the school working week surely all the kids that need more could get more oh and then teachers would have proper jobs and have to earn there great saleries that sounds like value for money to me
Kids have far more energy than adults so I've never subscribed to the idea that they 'need' a shorter day than us. Get the school to take them from (start of my day) and let them out at 4 (end of my day - just as an example) and give them the same lunch time - 45 minutes. That will give ample time for plenty of teaching and other activities and prepare them for the real world. Provide sufficient staff to allow all staff to have one of two periods each day for 'preparation' and that should be everyone satisfied.
Quote by foxylady2209
Kids have far more energy than adults so I've never subscribed to the idea that they 'need' a shorter day than us. Get the school to take them from (start of my day) and let them out at 4 (end of my day - just as an example) and give them the same lunch time - 45 minutes. That will give ample time for plenty of teaching and other activities and prepare them for the real world. Provide sufficient staff to allow all staff to have one of two periods each day for 'preparation' and that should be everyone satisfied.

Damn good idea :thumbup: Get the teachers on a level playing field with other professionals. 37 hour week 4 - 6 weeks holidays and no doing this out of school preperation stuff, do it in the student free periods. I think that would be fair on teachers as then they wouldn't have to do all that extra hours work that other professionals aren't expected to do.
Just wondering ....at what time during this rigorous 24/7 preparation for real life school week do the kids get to be kids?.....you know play and learn how to relate to each other all that pointless stuff they'll never use in adult life
Or more importantly polish my boots and clean my chimneys.
or better still as some could sugest here, just let them stay at home all day doing what kids want to do. how mad is that?
funny there is another thred going about pensions. i wonder how the pension would be for a teecher now only working for days a week or are some saying they should be paid for five when they only work for for?
i have wondered why we are in all this debt now i understand that some of the peeple runnign this country are also writing in this forum.
:doh:
shall we let kids do as they pleese then ben? what about all the public service teechers then ben what happens to there jobs? no doubt you would want to carry on paying them and keep giving them there hard erned pensions as well.:doh:
cup of tee anyone?
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or better still as some could sugest here, just let them stay at home all day doing what kids want to do. how mad is that?
funny there is another thred going about pensions. i wonder how the pension would be for a teecher now only working for days a week or are some saying they should be paid for five when they only work for for?
i have wondered why we are in all this debt now i understand that some of the peeple runnign this country are also writing in this forum.
:doh:
shall we let kids do as they pleese then ben? what about all the public service teechers then ben what happens to there jobs? no doubt you would want to carry on paying them and keep giving them there hard erned pensions as well.:doh:
cup of tee anyone?

Who on earth could possibly have suggested such a thing ???or who on earth could have read that into any of the above posts ??
sorry but i canot understand much of what was writen above myself. most is just gobblygook as my gran used to that is why i am getting confused it must be listening to all the gobblygook writen on here.
the chimney and boots coment above would suggest to many that to send children to school is being very hard on the poor kids bymaking them go to the very nasty grown ups who force them too go.
maybe i have read that wrong maybe and if so i must then give my self some extra lines to do and appologixe hugely for making any coment at all on here.
Nah Starlight I think your OK, what some seem to be alluding to is the idea of taking the kids back into the Dickensian are of shoving them up chimneys and having them in cloth caps and rags in front of Lyons tea houses buffing shoes for a "ha'penny please sir". Typically taking the idea to the unfounded extreme. It's more the idea is that the school week should be what it says...a school week.
Most of us realise that teachers do a lot of work, unseen and unappreciated behind the scenes and out of the public eye, which go unrecognised by many not involved in the industry. What is being suggested is that teachers should be fairly treated and work to the same parameters that others do within the workplace. Such as having the same set working hours and holidays etc. This way the teachers needn't do unpaid and unseen work out of hours they can leave work at work. This would also provide an easier and more constructive system for working parents too manage childcare provision in a more sensible way.
Hyperbole with humourous intent.
Quote by Lost
Nah Starlight I think your OK, what some seem to be alluding to is the idea of taking the kids back into the Dickensian are of shoving them up chimneys and having them in cloth caps and rags in front of Lyons tea houses buffing shoes for a "ha'penny please sir". Typically taking the idea to the unfounded extreme. It's more the idea is that the school week should be what it says...a school week.
Most of us realise that teachers do a lot of work, unseen and unappreciated behind the scenes and out of the public eye, which go unrecognised by many not involved in the industry. What is being suggested is that teachers should be fairly treated and work to the same parameters that others do within the workplace. Such as having the same set working hours and holidays etc. This way the teachers needn't do unpaid and unseen work out of hours they can leave work at work. This would also provide an easier and more constructive system for working parents too manage childcare provision in a more sensible way.

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with lost on this one
Quote by Lost
Nah Starlight I think your OK, what some seem to be alluding to is the idea of taking the kids back into the Dickensian are of shoving them up chimneys and having them in cloth caps and rags in front of Lyons tea houses buffing shoes for a "ha'penny please sir". Typically taking the idea to the unfounded extreme. It's more the idea is that the school week should be what it says...a school week.
Most of us realise that teachers do a lot of work, unseen and unappreciated behind the scenes and out of the public eye, which go unrecognised by many not involved in the industry. What is being suggested is that teachers should be fairly treated and work to the same parameters that others do within the workplace. Such as having the same set working hours and holidays etc. This way the teachers needn't do unpaid and unseen work out of hours they can leave work at work. This would also provide an easier and more constructive system for working parents too manage childcare provision in a more sensible way.

I am well aware of the work load of teachers lost..my niece has just got her first job as a maths teacher...my point was aimed elsewhere ..Bens was as he said a joke...crossed purposes is the phrase I think we're looking for
still most of it.
humor is only good when others can under stand it. a lot of cryptic non sence on here it seems.
Quote by bouncy332
i think that reducing the number of days worked just makes the problem worse we all work 24/7 so why not schools then you could put your child on the school shift that suited your work pattern and if you increased the school working week surely all the kids that need more could get more oh and then teachers would have proper jobs and have to earn there great saleries that sounds like value for money to me

:shock: I'd like to think that was posted tongue in cheek.
Quote by Lizaleanrob
Nah Starlight I think your OK, what some seem to be alluding to is the idea of taking the kids back into the Dickensian are of shoving them up chimneys and having them in cloth caps and rags in front of Lyons tea houses buffing shoes for a "ha'penny please sir". Typically taking the idea to the unfounded extreme. It's more the idea is that the school week should be what it says...a school week.
Most of us realise that teachers do a lot of work, unseen and unappreciated behind the scenes and out of the public eye, which go unrecognised by many not involved in the industry. What is being suggested is that teachers should be fairly treated and work to the same parameters that others do within the workplace. Such as having the same set working hours and holidays etc. This way the teachers needn't do unpaid and unseen work out of hours they can leave work at work. This would also provide an easier and more constructive system for working parents too manage childcare provision in a more sensible way.

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with lost on this one
As am I. :thumbup:
Quote by starlightcouple
still most of it.
humor is only good when others can under stand it. a lot of cryptic non sence on here it seems.

Made perfect sense to me - and I saw the humour too. Nothing cryptic about it! You mean you didn't know it was humorous because there were no lol ?
There's an awful lot of rubbish English on here too.
Quote by Freckledbird
i think that reducing the number of days worked just makes the problem worse we all work 24/7 so why not schools then you could put your child on the school shift that suited your work pattern and if you increased the school working week surely all the kids that need more could get more oh and then teachers would have proper jobs and have to earn there great saleries that sounds like value for money to me

:shock: I'd like to think that was posted tongue in cheek.
Quote by Lizaleanrob
Nah Starlight I think your OK, what some seem to be alluding to is the idea of taking the kids back into the Dickensian are of shoving them up chimneys and having them in cloth caps and rags in front of Lyons tea houses buffing shoes for a "ha'penny please sir". Typically taking the idea to the unfounded extreme. It's more the idea is that the school week should be what it says...a school week.
Most of us realise that teachers do a lot of work, unseen and unappreciated behind the scenes and out of the public eye, which go unrecognised by many not involved in the industry. What is being suggested is that teachers should be fairly treated and work to the same parameters that others do within the workplace. Such as having the same set working hours and holidays etc. This way the teachers needn't do unpaid and unseen work out of hours they can leave work at work. This would also provide an easier and more constructive system for working parents too manage childcare provision in a more sensible way.

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with lost on this one
As am I. :thumbup:
Quote by starlightcouple
still most of it.
humor is only good when others can under stand it. a lot of cryptic non sence on here it seems.

Made perfect sense to me - and I saw the humour too. Nothing cryptic about it! You mean you didn't know it was humorous because there were no lol ?
There's an awful lot of rubbish English on here too.
maybe i am foreign ??
just for you :lol: :lol:
Quote by starlightcouple
maybe i am foreign ??
just for you lol :lol:

And maybe it wasn't directed at you. But hey, if the cap fits...
Quote by Freckledbird

maybe i am foreign ??
just for you lol :lol:

And maybe it wasn't directed at you. But hey, if the cap fits...
sorry but have the balls to tell the truth when cornered eh>?
i am dyslexic and as a teacher i hope you do not treat your pupils in the same way you treat people with spelling problems on here eh? i have read past posts to know you are.
But i am sure you do and yes you was talking about me so at least treat me like a idiot because of my spelling but do not treat me an idiot just because of your own ignorance of someone who is dyslexic eh?
Oh and as you can spot being a clever smart arse that you are i have used the spell checker just so as to please you.
a teacher? i would hate to be one of your pupils with your attitudes, and if the cap fits eh?
i may be a knew poster on here but i will not be bullied by people like you. i have seen many people on this forum shut down by longf standing members like you where new members are concerned. the trouble is that there are many others like you on here and no doubt one of them will run to your help at the first opportunity.
now go and take the rise out of someone else that you can bully like one of your pupils.
Quote by flower411
There's an awful lot of rubbish English on here too.

Yeah !! I reckon somebody should make a point of correcting all the rubbish spelling and stuff by hilighting the mistakes in red lol
i didn't see any spelling conditions in the aup on the site
nor did i see any rules stating dyslexics where banned from posting
sorry but i thought being a swinging site conciderationfor others was paramount
rudeness is so unattractive
what do they say .....oh yea "there is no such thing as a bad dog just bad owners"
Quote by starlightcouple

maybe i am foreign ??
just for you lol :lol:

And maybe it wasn't directed at you. But hey, if the cap fits...
sorry but have the balls to tell the truth when cornered eh>?
i am dyslexic and as a teacher i hope you do not treat your pupils in the same way you treat people with spelling problems on here eh? i have read past posts to know you are.
But i am sure you do and yes you was talking about me so at least treat me like a idiot because of my spelling but do not treat me an idiot just because of your own ignorance of someone who is dyslexic eh?
Oh and as you can spot being a clever smart arse that you are i have used the spell checker just so as to please you.
a teacher? i would hate to be one of your pupils with your attitudes, and if the cap fits eh?
i may be a knew poster on here but i will not be bullied by people like you. i have seen many people on this forum shut down by longf standing members like you where new members are concerned. the trouble is that there are many others like you on here and no doubt one of them will run to your help at the first opportunity.
now go and take the rise out of someone else that you can bully like one of your pupils.
I actually wasn't aiming that comment at you. My comments to you were based on the fact that you missed the point of a joke, which seemed quite clear to others and to me. If you've read that many of my posts, you will also know that I do have the balls to tell the truth. I don't need any help from anyone to stand my corner thanks, but I'm most certainly not a bully. Post away, knock yourself out. I'm just as free to comment on anything I like as you are.
Quote by Lizaleanrob
There's an awful lot of rubbish English on here too.

Yeah !! I reckon somebody should make a point of correcting all the rubbish spelling and stuff by hilighting the mistakes in red lol
i didn't see any spelling conditions in the aup on the site
nor did i see any rules stating dyslexics where banned from posting
sorry but i thought being a swinging site conciderationfor others was paramount
rudeness is so unattractive
what do they say .....oh yea "there is no such thing as a bad dog just bad owners"
Rudeness like calling someone a smart arse? That's acceptable, is it? Or saying that something is gobbledygook/nonsense because they don't understand it?
There are no rules about spelling or dyslexics posting. Just as there are no rules about commenting on poor spelling. I haven't ever said that dyslexics should not post. Nor have I called anyone rude names because of something they said that I didn't agree with or didn't understand.
Quote by starlightcouple

maybe i am foreign ??
just for you :lol: :lol:

And maybe it wasn't directed at you. But hey, if the cap fits...
sorry but have the balls to tell the truth when cornered eh>?
i am dyslexic and as a teacher i hope you do not treat your pupils in the same way you treat people with spelling problems on here eh? i have read past posts to know you are.
But i am sure you do and yes you was talking about me so at least treat me like a idiot because of my spelling but do not treat me an idiot just because of your own ignorance of someone who is dyslexic eh?
Oh and as you can spot being a clever smart arsethat you are i have used the spell checker just so as to please you.
a teacher? i would hate to be one of your pupils with your attitudes, and if the cap fits eh?
i may be a knew poster on here but i will not be bullied by people like you. i have seen many people on this forum shut down by longf standing members like you where new members are concerned. the trouble is that there are many others like you on here and no doubt one of them will run to your help at the first opportunity.
now go and take the rise out of someone else that you can bully like one of your pupils.