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Quote by jdwxxx
so, cos i is a bit daft and dont believe the story we've bin told so far, what is the truth then? did saddam hussein really av weapons of mass deception or wos ee a member of al quaeder? could he hit cyprus in 45 minuets? did the vietnamese really attack the americans in the gulf of tonkin? did doctor david kelly really commit suicide? do we really need a carbon tax cos the earth is warmin? did lee harvey oswald really shoot the president in the head throwing his head forward in the car, then run round the front and shoot im making his head go the other way? is osama bin liner still alive and is he and all his followers really that cleva? did sum burke try to blow his socks off by litin his shoelace? did an even bigger burke try to blow his balls off? is sum siren tryin to kill us all wiv explodin bras and knickers? i know wot your gonna say, i'm sum kinda conspiracy anorak and i should believe all this stuff and not question official government explanations cos they wud neva lie to us. everyfin we are told must be true and we should neva question anyfin and keep payin our sweat and blood.

You should always question everything, I don't blindly believe everything i've been told, however you need to look at all sides of a story, not just the opposite side of the story that the government tells mean i should apply critical thought then? reason?
Quote by kentswingers777
Come on you guys....are you really implying that the American Administration took down the twin towers themselves, just so as to have an excuse to go into Iraq?
Listen to what Blair " apparently " said about WMD....even if they did not exist he would still have gone to war.
I believe the Yanks would have taken exactly the same stance, regardless of the twin towers or not.
I cannot believe that people can even consider this.
Still plenty of people are still convinced Diana was " bumped off " by some insider working for HMG.
Jeeze.....I do love a good conspiralist story but...........really.

It is, as you say, too horrific to imagine the Americans could sit back and allow there follow country man to be murdered in this was but...there clearly is more to this storey than first meets the eye.
I was so pleased to read some of the debunking storeys, but I have to be honest, they are not terribly convincing or clear.
I am going to sit on the fence for a while with this one
Quote by Bluefish2009
It is, as you say, too horrific to imagine the Americans could sit back and allow there follow country man to be murdered in this was but...there clearly is more to this story than first meets the eye.
I was so pleased to read some of the debunking stories, but I have to be honest, they are not terribly convincing or clear.
I am going to sit on the fence for a while with this one

People from 90 separate nations were killed in the aircraft and buildings attacked on 9/11.
For the con_theorists to be right the government would have to keep the operation/s totally secret> In the USA this has no chance of happening.
Anyway: Did men walk on the moon (con_theory V2)
Quote by Bluefish2009
well possibly such buildings that hold secret information are already prefitted with explosives, in the event of such an attack.

Yes, this holds some logic
Thank you
I have had some indirect experience of this type of demolition and I think it is highly unlikely that the building could have been got ready in a few hours without some form of preset charges - quite frightening really, makes you wonder if there are any buildings like this in the UK?
Plim :sad:
Quote by gulsonroad30664
so, cos i is a bit daft and dont believe the story we've bin told so far, what is the truth then? did saddam hussein really av weapons of mass deception or wos ee a member of al quaeder? could he hit cyprus in 45 minuets? did the vietnamese really attack the americans in the gulf of tonkin? did doctor david kelly really commit suicide? do we really need a carbon tax cos the earth is warmin? did lee harvey oswald really shoot the president in the head throwing his head forward in the car, then run round the front and shoot im making his head go the other way? is osama bin liner still alive and is he and all his followers really that cleva? did sum burke try to blow his socks off by litin his shoelace? did an even bigger burke try to blow his balls off? is sum siren tryin to kill us all wiv explodin bras and knickers? i know wot your gonna say, i'm sum kinda conspiracy anorak and i should believe all this stuff and not question official government explanations cos they wud neva lie to us. everyfin we are told must be true and we should neva question anyfin and keep payin our sweat and blood.

You should always question everything, I don't blindly believe everything i've been told, however you need to look at all sides of a story, not just the opposite side of the story that the government tells mean i should apply critical thought then? reason?
Punctuation and a spell check would be a start....
Quote by awayman
so, cos i is a bit daft and dont believe the story we've bin told so far, what is the truth then? did saddam hussein really av weapons of mass deception or wos ee a member of al quaeder? could he hit cyprus in 45 minuets? did the vietnamese really attack the americans in the gulf of tonkin? did doctor david kelly really commit suicide? do we really need a carbon tax cos the earth is warmin? did lee harvey oswald really shoot the president in the head throwing his head forward in the car, then run round the front and shoot im making his head go the other way? is osama bin liner still alive and is he and all his followers really that cleva? did sum burke try to blow his socks off by litin his shoelace? did an even bigger burke try to blow his balls off? is sum siren tryin to kill us all wiv explodin bras and knickers? i know wot your gonna say, i'm sum kinda conspiracy anorak and i should believe all this stuff and not question official government explanations cos they wud neva lie to us. everyfin we are told must be true and we should neva question anyfin and keep payin our sweat and blood.

You should always question everything, I don't blindly believe everything i've been told, however you need to look at all sides of a story, not just the opposite side of the story that the government tells mean i should apply critical thought then? reason?
Punctuation and a spell check would be a start....
Taking the pee out of peoples poor spelling or punctuation on here, has always been met with scorn.
I thought you would have been above that kind of comment though?
I think a lot of thought is spent on the classic conspiracy theories, and a lot still goes into designing them; whenever a new event occurs. Conspiracy theorists still seem to be looking for a huge fantastic lie.
But actually there is a lot of just plain lies and deceit which go into the events immediately after the main event, which are often ignored or overlooked. because in some ways these actions resemble more of a conspiracy than the big unproven idea. So in investigating those I think there is more likely to be revealed the cover ups and the conspiring to achieve them.
Quote by kentswingers777
so, cos i is a bit daft and dont believe the story we've bin told so far, what is the truth then? did saddam hussein really av weapons of mass deception or wos ee a member of al quaeder? could he hit cyprus in 45 minuets? did the vietnamese really attack the americans in the gulf of tonkin? did doctor david kelly really commit suicide? do we really need a carbon tax cos the earth is warmin? did lee harvey oswald really shoot the president in the head throwing his head forward in the car, then run round the front and shoot im making his head go the other way? is osama bin liner still alive and is he and all his followers really that cleva? did sum burke try to blow his socks off by litin his shoelace? did an even bigger burke try to blow his balls off? is sum siren tryin to kill us all wiv explodin bras and knickers? i know wot your gonna say, i'm sum kinda conspiracy anorak and i should believe all this stuff and not question official government explanations cos they wud neva lie to us. everyfin we are told must be true and we should neva question anyfin and keep payin our sweat and blood.

You should always question everything, I don't blindly believe everything i've been told, however you need to look at all sides of a story, not just the opposite side of the story that the government tells mean i should apply critical thought then? reason?
Punctuation and a spell check would be a start....
Taking the pee out of peoples poor spelling or punctuation on here, has always been met with scorn.
I thought you would have been above that kind of comment though?
Gulsonroad was the one taking the pee, his poor spelling etc was deliberate in order to emphasise the fact that (in his own words) "i is a bit daft"
oh Max....sorry I saw it as something different. :sad:
I like this for debunking conspiracy theories biggrin
Jas
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Quote by kentswingers777
so, cos i is a bit daft and dont believe the story we've bin told so far, what is the truth then? did saddam hussein really av weapons of mass deception or wos ee a member of al quaeder? could he hit cyprus in 45 minuets? did the vietnamese really attack the americans in the gulf of tonkin? did doctor david kelly really commit suicide? do we really need a carbon tax cos the earth is warmin? did lee harvey oswald really shoot the president in the head throwing his head forward in the car, then run round the front and shoot im making his head go the other way? is osama bin liner still alive and is he and all his followers really that cleva? did sum burke try to blow his socks off by litin his shoelace? did an even bigger burke try to blow his balls off? is sum siren tryin to kill us all wiv explodin bras and knickers? i know wot your gonna say, i'm sum kinda conspiracy anorak and i should believe all this stuff and not question official government explanations cos they wud neva lie to us. everyfin we are told must be true and we should neva question anyfin and keep payin our sweat and blood.

You should always question everything, I don't blindly believe everything i've been told, however you need to look at all sides of a story, not just the opposite side of the story that the government tells mean i should apply critical thought then? reason?
Punctuation and a spell check would be a start....
Taking the pee out of peoples poor spelling or punctuation on here, has always been met with scorn.
I thought you would have been above that kind of comment though?
You don't do irony either then? This is hard work...
Humour is not some peoples strong point.
I thort takin the piss out of the illiterate was a long standing tradition----innit.
There is a very simple way to work out if the buildings were brought down using controlled demolition, and that is to work things backwards.
If you were a demolition company and had been asked by the owners of the two towers wtc1 and wtc2 to demolish them, what would you have done.
1) Wired them up for weeks before hand and charged a fortune.
2) Pumped a few hunderd gallons of aviation fuel to the top and set it alight.
Which one is going to work and which one isn't.
If simply setting light to a few hundred gallons of aviation fuel will bring down a building, at freefall speed, into it's own footprint, then I'm off to get a job demolishing buildings.
On a more serious note, if the buildings were brought down by fire, in a pancake fashion (As per the official story), then the 48 huge centre colums would have still been left standing.
Not a few hundred gallons, several thousand gallons. The total fuel capacity of a 767 is over 90,000 litres.
First, the building is not solid; it is 95 percent air and, hence, can implode onto itself. Second, there is no lateral load, even the impact of a speeding aircraft, which is sufficient to move the center of gravity one hundred feet to the side such that it is not within the base footprint of the structure. Third, given the near free-fall collapse, there was insufficient time for portions to attain significant lateral velocity. To summarize all of these points, a 500,000 t structure has too much inertia to fall in any direction other than nearly straight down.
The heat from the fire (800C) was not enough to melt the steel structure but it was enough to soften it, which led to the central columns buckling under the load, which led to even further stresses when the floors pancaked upon themselves.
Quote by gulsonroad30664
9/11 was an inside job...don henley

Not heard that tune lol
Quote by Andy33Yorks
There is a very simple way to work out if the buildings were brought down using controlled demolition, and that is to work things backwards.
If you were a demolition company and had been asked by the owners of the two towers wtc1 and wtc2 to demolish them, what would you have done.
1) Wired them up for weeks before hand and charged a fortune.
2) Pumped a few hunderd gallons of aviation fuel to the top and set it alight.
Which one is going to work and which one isn't.
If simply setting light to a few hundred gallons of aviation fuel will bring down a building, at freefall speed, into it's own footprint, then I'm off to get a job demolishing buildings.
On a more serious note, if the buildings were brought down by fire, in a pancake fashion (As per the official story), then the 48 huge centre colums would have still been left standing.

WTC7 was not brought down by fire but by structural failure.
If you were a demolition company, and someone had paid you to demolish wtc1 and wtc2, would you have sold your story to NBC by now?
Quote by awayman
There is a very simple way to work out if the buildings were brought down using controlled demolition, and that is to work things backwards.
If you were a demolition company and had been asked by the owners of the two towers wtc1 and wtc2 to demolish them, what would you have done.
1) Wired them up for weeks before hand and charged a fortune.
2) Pumped a few hunderd gallons of aviation fuel to the top and set it alight.
Which one is going to work and which one isn't.
If simply setting light to a few hundred gallons of aviation fuel will bring down a building, at freefall speed, into it's own footprint, then I'm off to get a job demolishing buildings.
On a more serious note, if the buildings were brought down by fire, in a pancake fashion (As per the official story), then the 48 huge centre colums would have still been left standing.

WTC7 was not brought down by fire but by structural failure.
If you were a demolition company, and someone had paid you to demolish wtc1 and wtc2, would you have sold your story to NBC by now?
I do not imagine a demolition company would be used at all, it would be military or American secret service who would be bound to secrecy by there laws
Oh please !
They blow-up a building, killing thousands, and rely on the secrecy laws to protect them from the criminal laws ?
Hey...this is a country where they cannot even keep secret that:
1. A president knows of, and covers-up, a burglary on political rivals
2. A president gets a blow-job and stains a dress !
A Boeing 767-200 is 48.5 m (160 ft) long and has a wingspan of 48 m (156 ft), with a capacity of up to 62.2 (-200) or 91 (-200ER) m³ of jet fuel (16,700 or 24,000 US gallons).
The planes hit the towers at very high speeds. Flight 11 was traveling roughly 700 km/h (440 mph) when it crashed into the 1 WTC, the north tower; flight 175 hit 2 WTC, the south tower, at about 870 km/h (540 mph). In addition to severing a number of load-bearing columns, the resulting explosions in each tower ignited 38 m³ (10,000 gallons) of jet fuel and immediately spread the fire to several different floors while consuming paper, furniture, carpeting, computers, books, walls, framing, and other items in all the affected floors. The force of the explosion from the initial impact in 1 WTC traveled through at least one express elevator shaft all the way down to the lobby floor, blowing out all of the windows and leaving a number of people injured

The fires were hot enough to weaken the columns and cause floors to sag, pulling perimeter columns inward and reducing their ability to support the mass of the building above

As for WTC7....it got hit by falling debris...and had tanks of diesel fuel in the basement as well...
And for anyone who knows about structural steel.....here is a pic of a small piece of the debris.....
Never mind the possibilities that the official story "could" be true, that in itself is not evidence that it is. MOSAD admitted that they knew that the WTC was going to be attacked before the event, and we are expected to believe that they didn't inform the CIA? Israel has never denied that she called her top people there and warned them not to go in that day to work. Not one but two buildings came down in an unusual "controlled demolition" fashion. Add to all this the convenience of a fantastic reason (or excuse) for the Yanks to attack Afghanistan, unilaterally if need be and without awaiting a UN resolution? The fact that good ol GW had been on about waging a war on terror for some time, all the while bending over backwards to find a "peaceful solution" to the problems caused by the terrorists of the IRA in Northern Ireland, too convenient and blatantly biased.
And there is still no explanation as to why someone was actually filming the buildings at the time of the crash. Why would anyone film a building, it is static, you film moving objects and photograph those that don't move.
So yes the "official story" is plausible, but the way the events of that day panned out it is too fantastic to be the most logical explanation. I believe the Yanks knew the planes were coming and made sure that the following catastrophe would give them a green light to start yet another war, and force another countries people to accept their so called "democracy", in other words enforced global capitalism under a puppet regime.
Just like Sadam's WMD, this was just another case of the US manipulating events in order to get their own way.
Bush and Blair are war criminals, but don't expect to see them brought to book, the same applies to Obama and Brown for their continuation of this madness. We, the people of Britain and the people of the US are guilty of blind ignorance. We are allowing them to send our children thousands of miles away from home to fight a war that we have no business to be fighting and will never win. We are allowing them to send yet another generation to die for nothing. :0(
Quote by JTS
Oh please !
They blow-up a building, killing thousands, and rely on the secrecy laws to protect them from the criminal laws ?
SNIP....

Not really sure what your talking about JTS, the building I am referring to, was not hit by a plane and no one was killed within it
I am loving these conspiracy theories....that are without doubt....making my day.
I have heard some tales in my time, but I think I will keep with the Hobbit. lol :lol:...it is much more serious.
No actually what really happened was this.
David Copperfield, the magician, was practising his newest trick, but unfortunately it all went very badly wrong......................
Quote by JTS
Oh please !
They blow-up a building, killing thousands
SNIP...

Off coarse they would never dream of doing such a thing, Operation Northwoods
Bluefish....sorry but you cannot really be serious with your THEORIES .... can you?
Quote by kentswingers777
Bluefish....sorry but you cannot really be serious with your THEORIES .... can you?

No, not really, and, they are not mine, but I will not discard them out of hand either
Quote by Bluefish2009
Oh please !
They blow-up a building, killing thousands, and rely on the secrecy laws to protect them from the criminal laws ?
SNIP....

Not really sure what your talking about JTS, the building I am referring to, was not hit by a plane and no one was killed within it
That referred to the belief (by about 16% of the US population) that the whole 9/11 attack was led by the CIA (delete as wanted, insert your own organisation afterwards) etc.
As for the 7WTC building....it was hit by large amounts of debris after the north tower building collapsed....so it was "hit" by plane/s, albeit by proxy. The resultant fires that started after being hit by debris caused sufficient degradation of the structure that collapse occurred.
Read the report....or maybe they were all paid by the cia as well ?
Quote by brucie
I have also heard that Israel were aware that something was going to happen in advance and had called it's top people to make sure they were not there that day.

please tell me this is a wind up. please!
its a myth.... never happened
Quote by Kaznkev
I have also heard that Israel were aware that something was going to happen in advance and had called it's top people to make sure they were not there that day.

please tell me this is a wind up. please!
Brucie welcome to the wonderful world of misinformation that is the current affairs forum,and yes anti semitism is alive and well here,
You could actually have fun,without the mods complaining here,but the facts at yur disposal wont change anyones opinions
this forum is a lulz factory!
a troll could have a lot of fun here!