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9/11 and WT7 your thoughts on this please

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Quote by JTS
Oh please !
They blow-up a building, killing thousands, and rely on the secrecy laws to protect them from the criminal laws ?
SNIP....

Not really sure what your talking about JTS, the building I am referring to, was not hit by a plane and no one was killed within it
That referred to the belief (by about 16% of the US population) that the whole 9/11 attack was led by the CIA (delete as wanted, insert your own organisation afterwards) etc.
As for the 7WTC building....it was hit by large amounts of debris after the north tower building collapsed....so it was "hit" by plane/s, albeit by proxy. The resultant fires that started after being hit by debris caused sufficient degradation of the structure that collapse occurred.
Read the report....or maybe they were all paid by the cia as well ?

Still not sure, dont think I have said any of what you think I have dunno
The only thing I have a problem with is that falling debris and the very small fires can make any building fall as perfect as this one does, something demolition experts spend weeks preparing to do.
Quote by Bluefish2009
Oh please !
They blow-up a building, killing thousands
SNIP...

Off coarse they would never dream of doing such a thing, Operation Northwoods

Quote by kentswingers777
Bluefish....sorry but you cannot really be serious with your THEORIES .... can you?

If you are referring to Opration Northwoods, its not my theory, in fact it is not a theory at all, it is fact
Quote by Kaznkev
I have also heard that Israel were aware that something was going to happen in advance and had called it's top people to make sure they were not there that day.

please tell me this is a wind up. please!
Brucie welcome to the wonderful world of misinformation that is the current affairs forum,and yes anti semitism is alive and well here,
You could actually have fun,without the mods complaining here,but the facts at yur disposal wont change anyones opinions
So any criticism of Israel is antisemitism? So, what about all those anti Zionist Jews, are they antisemitic too?
The rumours that MOSAD knew what was going to happen before anyone else is believable enough, they are after all regarded as the most ruthless and efficient secret service in the world. If the rumour that they did know and didn't tell their loyal benefactors in Washington is true, then the reason would be that the war on terror wasn't a bad thing for them.
Antisemitism my big hairy bum!
The only thing I have a problem with is that falling debris and the very small fires can make any building fall as perfect as this one does, something demolition experts spend weeks preparing to do.

First, the building is not solid; it is 95 percent air and, hence, can implode onto itself. Second, there is no lateral load, even the impact of a speeding aircraft, which is sufficient to move the center of gravity one hundred feet to the side such that it is not within the base footprint of the structure. Third, given the near free-fall collapse, there was insufficient time for portions to attain significant lateral velocity. To summarize all of these points, a 500,000 ton structure has too much inertia to fall in any direction other than nearly straight down.
Quote by JTS

The only thing I have a problem with is that falling debris and the very small fires can make any building fall as perfect as this one does, something demolition experts spend weeks preparing to do.

First, the building is not solid; it is 95 percent air and, hence, can implode onto itself. Second, there is no lateral load, even the impact of a speeding aircraft, which is sufficient to move the center of gravity one hundred feet to the side such that it is not within the base footprint of the structure. Third, given the near free-fall collapse, there was insufficient time for portions to attain significant lateral velocity. To summarize all of these points, a 500,000 ton structure has too much inertia to fall in any direction other than nearly straight down.

I am going to give up here, as I think I may have said so many times now, the building was not hit by an aircraft, It had a small fires, and some damage from falling bebris add did several other surrunding buildings which never fell.
All I am looking for is some one to explain why WT7 came down as if demolished by a profesional demolition team, only one person has had an explanation which to me might be feesable.
As below
Quote by duncanlondon
well possibly such buildings that hold secret information are already prefitted with explosives, in the event of such an attack. It would have taken a few hours to get in there check that it was still possible to blow the building successfully and prepare it for the explosion.
Further to above I have searched high and low to find other buildings which have fallen directly down,into their own footprint (WT7) due to fire, or any other reason. I have found building collapsing for lots of reasons but none so far have fallen 100% straight down like WT7 did and turned to dust as they did it. Only theses which were demolished professionally.
I am not agreeing with any conspires theory's, I hate the idea, I just want to hear/see a reasonable explanation for what happened to WT7, not the twin towers
Small fires ?
After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts. A massive fire burned into the afternoon on the 11th and 12th floors of 7 World Trade Center, the flames visible on the east side of the building. During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30. In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon. At approximately 2:00 p.m., firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse. During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building. Around 3:30 pm FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel. At 5:20:33 p.m. EDT on September 11, 2001, 7 World Trade Center started to collapse, with the crumble of the east mechanical penthouse, while at 5:21:10 p.m. EDT the entire building collapsed completely



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Small fires ?
After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts. A massive fire burned into the afternoon on the 11th and 12th floors of 7 World Trade Center, the flames visible on the east side of the building. During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6â€"10, 13â€"14, 19â€"22, and 29â€"30. In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon. At approximately 2:00 p.m., firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse. During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building. Around 3:30 pm FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel. At 5:20:33 p.m. EDT on September 11, 2001, 7 World Trade Center started to collapse, with the crumble of the east mechanical penthouse, while at 5:21:10 p.m. EDT the entire building collapsed completely




The wall of Building 7 closest to the WTC complex was more than 300 feet from the nearest wall of the North Tower. It appears that most of the heavy fallout from the destruction of the North Tower landed short of Building 7. Building 6 stood between the North Tower and Building 7. As your picture above shows building 7 is the only building outside of the complex which suffered any more than superficial damage. No pictures or video show any raging fires in this building at all only pockets of fire which are presumed to have been ignited by falling debris. FEMA blame the fires, NIST suggest structural damage, neither account for such a perfect demolition of a steel framed, concrete structure. The lack of water pressure is a red herring as not less than two blocks away lies the Hudson.
Show me another steel framed, concrete sky-scrapper which has come down in this method and you may be on your way to convince me
Quote by Kaznkev
I have also heard that Israel were aware that something was going to happen in advance and had called it's top people to make sure they were not there that day.

please tell me this is a wind up. please!
Brucie welcome to the wonderful world of misinformation that is the current affairs forum,and yes anti semitism is alive and well here,
You could actually have fun,without the mods complaining here,but the facts at yur disposal wont change anyones opinions
Where exactly? dunno
You cannot just pump water over several hundred metres without LARGE diameter hoses and LARGE pumps....through streets blocked by vehicles and debris...and even then it takes time to damp the fires and has to have men go into the building....and they were withdrawn because of the risk.
What risk ?
Here's a video of the building burning...and the damage you say was not done to it when parts of the other wt building collapsed onto it (yes, over 400 feet away....but wtc1 was over 1300 feet tall...and the perimeter columns struck wt7 as they fell)


And as for there being no other towers that have collapsed that way...there are not too many buildings that have LARGE fires raging UNFOUGHT for over 6 hours and which have had severe structural damage from debris falling from another building.
Note that wt7 was not built as it was when it fell....it was initially a much smaller building built large on the same foundations as the small one.
Note the video/s show the collapse was in three sections.
Quote by JTS
You cannot just pump water over several hundred metres without LARGE diameter hoses and LARGE pumps....through streets blocked by vehicles and debris...and even then it takes time to damp the fires and has to have men go into the building....and they were withdrawn because of the risk.
What risk ?
Here's a video of the building burning...and the damage you say was not done to it when parts of the other wt building collapsed onto it (yes, over 400 feet away....but wtc1 was over 1300 feet tall...and the perimeter columns struck wt7 as they fell)


And as for there being no other towers that have collapsed that way...there are not too many buildings that have LARGE fires raging UNFOUGHT for over 6 hours and which have had severe structural damage from debris falling from another building.
Note that wt7 was not built as it was when it fell....it was initially a much smaller building built large on the same foundations as the small one.
Note the video/s show the collapse was in three sections.

Even from your links, no large fires and we all know lots of smoke denotes poor flame combustion.
Below is a picture of what I call a large fire, as it consumed all 34 floors of a skyscraper in Beijing, this fire would also have caused major structural damage due to its aggressiveness, but guess what, it does not collapse. I have looked high and low for steel framed sky-scrapper that falls in the exact way that a professionally demolished building does, I can find them damaged by massive fires, earth quake, earth quake and fire but nothing falls like WT7 except professional demolition.

I think at the end of the day we will have to agree to disagree, as nothing you put forward or any one else for that matter, is 100% convincing, I do not say I fully hold the conspiracy theorist views with this one, as much of what they have said, and written, is clearly very wide of the mark, but some thing with this building does not ring true.
We will just have to agree to disagree.
Perhaps a read of the below magazine article may be more informative.
JTS 's links and his arguements I have to commend.
I as a mere layman do not know anything about structures, and what happens to them.
But being hit by a plane with a building that high, is something that has probably never happened before, so nobody could really be that sure.
The way both buildings collapsed like packs of cards, I cannot understand that one.
Saying that I still do not think any conspiracy took place on that day.
On Saturday, July 28 1945, the empire state building was struck by a B25 bomber.

The building survived. The fuel capacity of said bomber was 670 US gallons (about 500 UK gallons). The maximum weight of the B25 at take-off was 41800 pounds.
The aircraft that was flown into the WT building had a capacity of 23980 US gallons. The maximum take-off weight is 395000 pounds.
If you really want conspiracy theory website contains it all.
Have fun.
The buildings collapsed because of catastrophic structural failure caused by sustained heat from fires (just a personal belief)
Quote by JTS
On Saturday, July 28 1945, the empire state building was struck by a B25 bomber.

The building survived. The fuel capacity of said bomber was 670 US gallons (about 500 UK gallons). The maximum weight of the B25 at take-off was 41800 pounds.
The aircraft that was flown into the WT building had a capacity of 23980 US gallons. The maximum take-off weight is 395000 pounds.
If you really want conspiracy theory THIS website contains it all.
Have fun.
The buildings collapsed because of catastrophic structural failure caused by sustained heat from fires (just a personal belief)

I think youir probably right, hope you are any way
I know many here think I am mad for following this one, but still can not help but think that some thing is wrong here, as do many other mad people
:giveup:

Quote by Bluefish2009
I know many here think I am mad for following this one, but still can not help but think that some thing is wrong here, as do many other mad people

Madbeing the very operative word of anyone who believes a word of 911 'truthers' Sheesh!
Quote by curvynjackb
I know many here think I am mad for following this one, but still can not help but think that some thing is wrong here, as do many other mad people

Madbeing the very operative word of anyone who believes a word of 911 'truthers' Sheesh!
Not noticed you guys in the CA part of the forum before :welcome:
Label them as you will, I am never keen on such labels, they are all too often used to belittle people.
I do not believe or have any elegance with either side of this story, I have however seen and read things which I have taken a view on.
Quote by Bluefish2009
I know many here think I am mad for following this one, but still can not help but think that some thing is wrong here, as do many other mad people

Madbeing the very operative word of anyone who believes a word of 911 'truthers' Sheesh!
Not noticed you guys in the CA part of the forum before :welcome:
Label them as you will, I am never keen on such labels, they are all too often used to belittle people.
I do not believe or have any elegance with either side of this story, I have however seen and read things which I have taken a view on.
thank you for the welcome, it's jack here. I pop in fairly irregularly over the years lol.
Maybe mad is a bit strong, naive? unwilling? gullible?
Me too, and based those opinions on logic, facts and hard scientific truths.
And I'm very sceptical in nature, never truly believe anything government or corporations tell me but the facts are there for this one. can't really deny them, as much as some people would wish.
And anyway, governments just aren't clever enough or efficient enough to pull off anything like this lol
Quote by curvynjackb
I know many here think I am mad for following this one, but still can not help but think that some thing is wrong here, as do many other mad people

Madbeing the very operative word of anyone who believes a word of 911 'truthers' Sheesh!
Not noticed you guys in the CA part of the forum before :welcome:
Label them as you will, I am never keen on such labels, they are all too often used to belittle people.
I do not believe or have any elegance with either side of this story, I have however seen and read things which I have taken a view on.
thank you for the welcome, it's jack here. I pop in fairly irregularly over the years lol.
Maybe mad is a bit strong, naive? unwilling? gullible?
Me too, and based those opinions on logic, facts and hard scientific truths.
And I'm very sceptical in nature, never truly believe anything government or corporations tell me but the facts are there for this one. can't really deny them, as much as some people would wish.
And anyway, governments just aren't clever enough or efficient enough to pull off anything like this lol

I agree, I only have a problem with the way/why WT7 fell
I have no trouble with the hijackers, planes crashing and building 1 & 2 falling, but Building 7 fell just like a controled demolition.
Many here have given me facts, figures and logic to persuade me otherwise, some will not listen to reason though
:giggle:
Take a look at the add below, lots on google about it
Got to go now....nurse he's out of bed again.....
i must be as max777 say's, a conspiracy theorist, because i know absolutely that the burning of the german parliament building in the 1930's was an inside job cos i was told at school. the gulf of tonkin incident that took america into the vietnam war never took place (freedom of information u.s. archive), kennedy's head first is thrown forward and then sidewards (film from the grassy knoll) proving the warren commision report that l.h. was the sole gunman to be bollox and mohammed attah's green saudi passport found unsinged at ground zero implicating him as the lead suspect in the 9/11 atrocity is bollox (cbnc, fox news and cnn)
the b.b.c. interviewed john towers, security adviser to hmg and employed by a israeli security company said on the day of 7/7 that he was conducting an exercise at exactly the same time at exactly the same locations on the same day and that he had to go from "exercise to real time and that made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up" b.b.c. 7th july that year ! fukin coincidental or what ?
but hey, i gotta give proof for everything i say and when i do no fuker believes me. this economic collapse is the inevitable consequence of lies, fraud and corruption and i dont need to qualify it or my qualifications to anyone. you will experience the consequences.
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i must be as max777 say's, a conspiracy theorist, because i know absolutely that the burning of the german parliament building in the 1930's was an inside job cos i was told at school. the gulf of tonkin incident that took america into the vietnam war never took place (freedom of information u.s. archive), kennedy's head first is thrown forward and then sidewards (film from the grassy knoll) proving the warren commision report that l.h. was the sole gunman to be bollox and mohammed attah's green saudi passport found unsinged at ground zero implicating him as the lead suspect in the 9/11 atrocity is bollox (cbnc, fox news and cnn)
the b.b.c. interviewed john towers, security adviser to hmg and employed by a israeli security company said on the day of 7/7 that he was conducting an exercise at exactly the same time at exactly the same locations on the same day and that he had to go from "exercise to real time and that made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up" b.b.c. 7th july that year ! fukin coincidental or what ?
but hey, i gotta give proof for everything i say and when i do no fuker believes me. this economic collapse is the inevitable consequence of lies, fraud and corruption and i dont need to qualify it or my qualifications to anyone. you will experience the consequences.

Guls, do you have proof of this? dunno lol :giggle:
Don't be silly Blue, conspiracy theorists don't need proof, in fact they don't even need their "facts" to be true. dunno
I feel sorry for people who subscribe to this sort of garbage. I would say that anyone who believes it is stupid, but I cannot make such a wide ranging and sweeping statement. I know quite a few people who geniunely believe that the moon landings were faked, I wouldn't refer to them as stupid though - just guillable and easily misled. I also know people who do not believe there are sattelites in space and that think the Titanic was an insurance job.
I suppose it is not to dissimilar from Holocaust denial - despite all the overwhelming evidence that something is true, there will always be someone who can "prove" that it is not.
As for the WTC - it was hit by a plane and collapsed as a result... or then again was it aliens that did it, I can never remember.