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What are your thoughts, my fear is the minister is softening us up for more cuts in school dinners. If this is the case, despite my allegiances with the Tories I think that is a mistake on their part.
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What are your thoughts, my fear is the minister is softening us up for more cuts in school dinners. If this is the case, despite my allegiances with the Tories I think that is a mistake on their part.
Sex God
I think you're probably right and that school dinners will added to the list of cuts...and with school dinners the only decent meal thousands of children receive lets look forward to rickets and scurvy returning to a sink estate near you soon
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I think you're probably right and that school dinners will added to the list of cuts...and with school dinners the only decent meal thousands of children receive lets look forward to rickets and scurvy returning to a sink estate near you soon
Hang on Staggers, could you possibly be suggetsing tyhat five a day co-ordinators who work at egtting kids to eat fruit might be engaged in public health work? Oooh the thought of it, that the state might try to eradicate disease and ill health by encouraging people to eat better.....
Coming soon to a street near you, the return of the black death as a way of encouraging people not to tolerate rats...
Sex God
Quote by Kaznkev
What are your thoughts, my fear is the minister is softening us up for more cuts in school dinners. If this is the case, despite my allegiances with the Tories I think that is a mistake on their part.
The problem is that some fail to understand that a school dinner might be the only meal a child gets in a day,therefore it is vital it be i am not surprised the tories will cut this,after all they removed the nutritional standards from school dinners last time they were in power.
When we lived in Bolton we lived in what was described as a deprived of the mums had never cooked ,but joined a cookery class ran by sure start .I still remember a mum of 4 coming up to me in the cafe full of excitement as she discovered that Morrisons sold fourth child was breast fed,weaned on fresh fruit and veg,and her joy at changing her families diet was contagious.
Public health is unsexy,but the cost to the nation will be massive when it is cut.
Well I for one will fight tooth and nail to do my bit to prevent such things.
One thing I heard today, that despite Labour poring money into this the gap between the well of living longer and the poorer living shorter actually widened.
I was so lucky to have been brought up on fresh veg from a massive kitchen garden my parents and grandparents had. We have a small garden but a small area is designated for veg, most of which the kids planted, watered and nurtured, that way they are eager to try it once its grown
Jamie Oliver's plan fit well into Labour's plan for creating a nanny state but once Labour lost power it brought his project under closer scrutiny. The reality is Jamie Oliver's plan failed miserably. School lunches may have become healthier, but the number of children opting to eat at school dropped significantly. Worse yet it put the schools in the unenviable task of monitoring what children brought to school to eat thereby causing an increase in children opting to eat off of campus for lunch. By children opting to bring their lunch or eat off campus, means the cost of providing lunch becomes more expensive through the decrease in demand. In addition it means a source of revenue for the school source decreases thereby becoming more dependent on the State for support. It therefore can be said that Jamie Oliver's plan has contributed, in a very small way, to the increase of government spending and by cutting his program hopefully it will encourage more children to eat at school, which means schools are less dependent on the State for support.
School dinners nowadays round here really do taste like shit. I would not voluntarily eat them. Mashed potato with no salt or butter or cream or anything else is bloody horrible for example.
That said, I think making sure very child gets a decent meal every day should be a priority for a civilised society. The main problem is the meals on offer are not decent. They are institutionally healthy and are foul.
That said, I think making sure very child gets a decent meal every day should be a priority for a civilised society. The main problem is the meals on offer are not decent. They are institutionally healthy and are foul.
Sex God
Quote by Ben_welshminx
School dinners nowadays round here really do taste like shit. I would not voluntarily eat them. Mashed potato with no salt or butter or cream or anything else is bloody horrible for example.
That said, I think making sure very child gets a decent meal every day should be a priority for a civilised society. The main problem is the meals on offer are not decent. They are institutionally healthy and are foul.
i blame the parents for not feeding the kids mcdees regularly and ben i didnt know you went to school and ate school dinners
there`s me i thought 18 was the legal age for sh and 16 was the school leaving age unless you was doing 6 form
Sex God
Quote by Kaznkev
School dinners nowadays round here really do taste like shit. I would not voluntarily eat them. Mashed potato with no salt or butter or cream or anything else is bloody horrible for example.
That said, I think making sure very child gets a decent meal every day should be a priority for a civilised society. The main problem is the meals on offer are not decent. They are institutionally healthy and are foul.
i blame the parents for not feeding the kids mcdees regularly and ben i didnt know you went to school and ate school dinners
there`s me i thought 18 was the legal age for sh and 16 was the school leaving age unless you was doing 6 form
Our school has an open lunch time once a term for parents to go and eat,Ben may have been to one of those.
Our school meals are also very good, we have all tried them, all food is fresh, even the baked beans are home made and not from a tin. I believe the company behind them has some connection to Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall, who is a bit of a local seleb
Sex God
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School dinners nowadays round here really do taste like shit. I would not voluntarily eat them. Mashed potato with no salt or butter or cream or anything else is bloody horrible for example.
That said, I think making sure very child gets a decent meal every day should be a priority for a civilised society. The main problem is the meals on offer are not decent. They are institutionally healthy and are foul.
i blame the parents for not feeding the kids mcdees regularly and ben i didnt know you went to school and ate school dinners
there`s me i thought 18 was the legal age for sh and 16 was the school leaving age unless you was doing 6 form
Our school has an open lunch time once a term for parents to go and eat,Ben may have been to one of those.
Our school meals are also very good, we have all tried them, all food is fresh, even the baked beans are home made and not from a tin. I believe the company behind them has some connection to Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall, who is a bit of a local seleb
i recently spent sometime with a school chef from a school in wales and took many of his recipes that are cooked in his kitchen
all of which where good home cooked food nothing from tins and all very healthy
Sex God
Quote by yorkiesmurf
Jamie Oliver's plan fit well into Labour's plan for creating a nanny state but once Labour lost power it brought his project under closer scrutiny. The reality is Jamie Oliver's plan failed miserably. School lunches may have become healthier, but the number of children opting to eat at school dropped significantly. Worse yet it put the schools in the unenviable task of monitoring what children brought to school to eat thereby causing an increase in children opting to eat off of campus for lunch. By children opting to bring their lunch or eat off campus, means the cost of providing lunch becomes more expensive through the decrease in demand. In addition it means a source of revenue for the school source decreases thereby becoming more dependent on the State for support. It therefore can be said that Jamie Oliver's plan has contributed, in a very small way, to the increase of government spending and by cutting his program hopefully it will encourage more children to eat at school, which means schools are less dependent on the State for support.
I feel what Jamie Oliver attempted was a good idea, where it really falls down in my opinion is the poor choices and judgements of parents who are happy with, in fact actively encourage in some cases, there children to eat a poor quality diet.
I agree with the nanny state line to a point but not whole heartily.
As regard government spending, I would sooner pay extra for quality every time.
How could I have eaten school dinners.
Hers a few ideas, choose one.
I am a dinner lady.
I am a teacher.
I give meringue lessons at a local school on a voluntary basis and they give me lunch.
I am a lollipop man and sneak to the pig bins to steal food.
I am a school dinner inspector.
I work for the service provision department of a local authority.
All or some of the above.
And there was I thinking it may have sunk in that refuting an opinion by challenging an individuals right to hold it may have gone out of fashion.
Hers a few ideas, choose one.
I am a dinner lady.
I am a teacher.
I give meringue lessons at a local school on a voluntary basis and they give me lunch.
I am a lollipop man and sneak to the pig bins to steal food.
I am a school dinner inspector.
I work for the service provision department of a local authority.
All or some of the above.
And there was I thinking it may have sunk in that refuting an opinion by challenging an individuals right to hold it may have gone out of fashion.
Sex God
Quote by Ben_welshminx
How could I have eaten school dinners.
Hers a few ideas, choose one.
I am a dinner lady.
I am a teacher.
I give meringue lessons at a local school on a voluntary basis and they give me lunch.
I am a lollipop man and sneak to the pig bins to steal food.
I am a school dinner inspector.
I work for the service provision department of a local authority.
All or some of the above.
And there was I thinking it may have sunk in that refuting an opinion by challenging an individuals right to hold it may have gone out of fashion.
so glad you found your true Vocation in life ben
my honest advice to you would be if you feel that the dinners are not up to scratch then challenge the school / governors you would be amazed what you can achieve i must say round here the dinners are very good
and any parent who does not produce a well balanced meal for their children then shame on them
if you was to ask any of our children on choice of dinner the likes of rabbit pie and hare stew would come top of the list with burgers macdees and any other takeaway coming dog last
Avoiding personal comments would serve well.
The governors have little authority here sadly. They didnt when I was involved in school management for a while either.
If you look around it pretty easy to see that the kids who are getting the worst food at home are probably going to schools with the worst governance and are probably suffering as a result. That is both sad and wrong.
And serving hare or even rabbit stew isnt gonna get little tommy to eat and surely the whole idea of school dinners is to serve food the kids will actually eat.
I would like to try food mass prepared prepared by a professional using the limited budget and salt sugar and fat contents currently enforced round here. Maybe a competent chef can manage to produce palatable food, I know our local school catering service cant.
The governors have little authority here sadly. They didnt when I was involved in school management for a while either.
If you look around it pretty easy to see that the kids who are getting the worst food at home are probably going to schools with the worst governance and are probably suffering as a result. That is both sad and wrong.
And serving hare or even rabbit stew isnt gonna get little tommy to eat and surely the whole idea of school dinners is to serve food the kids will actually eat.
I would like to try food mass prepared prepared by a professional using the limited budget and salt sugar and fat contents currently enforced round here. Maybe a competent chef can manage to produce palatable food, I know our local school catering service cant.
Sex God
Quote by Ben_welshminx
Avoiding personal comments would serve well.
The governors have little authority here sadly. They didnt when I was involved in school management for a while either.
If you look around it pretty easy to see that the kids who are getting the worst food at home are probably going to schools with the worst governance and are probably suffering as a result. That is both sad and wrong.
And serving hare or even rabbit stew isnt gonna get little tommy to eat and surely the whole idea of school dinners is to serve food the kids will actually eat.
why ben ??? my sister in law is single, strugles and finds it easier and cheaper to feed her kids properly the problem is with lazy parenting not where their from
ffs look with your eyes and not your heart or political views
Sex God
oh have we gone back to your schools mash potato ??
then like i said do something about it !!
also ben try a little cream if your talking proper mash potato with texture as well as taste
then like i said do something about it !!
also ben try a little cream if your talking proper mash potato with texture as well as taste
Sex God
Quote by Ben_welshminx
I cant do anything to help the hundreds of thousands of kids who are served poor school meals every day. I can be concerned about it and voice those concerns. I could of course choose not to give a flying fuck so long as my kids are well fed which I choose not to do.
and you have irrefutable proof of this or just another of your own expert analysis as from what i considerably know about school dinners and even just whats been said on here yours is based on "no salt or pepper or butter in mash "
its like saying your timex is poor time keeper because you haven`t changed the batteries so everyone else`s is crap too
god give me an adult debate at least
Master of Sex
Perhaps we should ban the Burgah?
Sex God
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Perhaps we should ban the Burgah?
or is that burger :giggle::giggle:
Sex God
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Perhaps we should ban the Burgah?
Is there not a thread already along those lines?
But yes it should.
Cant say I had noticed it
I could dig out the number of kids getting school meals lets say a quarter of the is it what 15 million school kids. So thats millions of kids voting with their feet. That leaves us with an additional proportion who dont have good school cooking and thats a fair proprotion so hundreds of thousands is a reasonable claim. Dont ya think?
I very rarely post in the forums more of an observer but Ben I must say at times you really do not help yourself.
To grosly over exagerate numbers leaves you wide open to ridicule my friend.
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I cant do anything to help the hundreds of thousands of kids who are served poor school meals every day. I can be concerned about it and voice those concerns. I could of course choose not to give a flying fuck so long as my kids are well fed which I choose not to do.
I very rarely post in the forums more of an observer but Ben I must say at times you really do not help yourself.
To grosly over exagerate numbers leaves you wide open to ridicule my friend.
The whole point of debate is to share experience. I have shared mine. Before this thread was dragged down to personal abuse and accusations once again it was gonna be interesting. Sadly here we go again.
and you have irrefutable proof of this or just another of your own expert analysis as from what i considerably know about school dinners and even just whats been said on here yours is based on "no salt or pepper or butter in mash "
its like saying your timex is poor time keeper because you haven`t changed the batteries so everyone else`s is crap too
god give me an adult debate at least
Quote by Lizaleanrob
I cant do anything to help the hundreds of thousands of kids who are served poor school meals every day. I can be concerned about it and voice those concerns. I could of course choose not to give a flying fuck so long as my kids are well fed which I choose not to do.
and you have irrefutable proof of this or just another of your own expert analysis as from what i considerably know about school dinners and even just whats been said on here yours is based on "no salt or pepper or butter in mash "
its like saying your timex is poor time keeper because you haven`t changed the batteries so everyone else`s is crap too
god give me an adult debate at least
But logically if school meals were "good" as in good food at good prices folk wouldn't feel the need to pack lunches would they?
There is a great game u can play guessing numbers. You decide how many piano tuners there are in your local yellow pagers simply by knowing what area is covered and then making informed guesses, you need a group really to make sure the guesses are well informed. Whenever I have played it the figure achieved has been within 5% of the actual figure. Give it a go some time. Its a good example of how sharing experience works and how effective informed guessing can be.
The problem with quoting stats or sources on here is that we dont end up sharing experience we just end up with wars about stat sources. Its a well known fact that 47.6 % of statistics are made up on the spot.
There is a great game u can play guessing numbers. You decide how many piano tuners there are in your local yellow pagers simply by knowing what area is covered and then making informed guesses, you need a group really to make sure the guesses are well informed. Whenever I have played it the figure achieved has been within 5% of the actual figure. Give it a go some time. Its a good example of how sharing experience works and how effective informed guessing can be.
The problem with quoting stats or sources on here is that we dont end up sharing experience we just end up with wars about stat sources. Its a well known fact that 47.6 % of statistics are made up on the spot.
Sex God
Quote by Kaznkev
I could dig out the number of kids getting school meals lets say a quarter of the is it what 15 million school kids. So thats millions of kids voting with their feet. That leaves us with an additional proportion who dont have good school cooking and thats a fair proprotion so hundreds of thousands is a reasonable claim. Dont ya think?
I cant do anything to help the hundreds of thousands of kids who are served poor school meals every day. I can be concerned about it and voice those concerns. I could of course choose not to give a flying fuck so long as my kids are well fed which I choose not to do.
I very rarely post in the forums more of an observer but Ben I must say at times you really do not help yourself.
To grosly over exagerate numbers leaves you wide open to ridicule my friend.
No sorry Ben I do not.
There are a lot of children who have packed lunches too.
Sorry you are guessing with numbers, and I could not possibly say what the figures are as I am not a guesser but rely on factual evidence, which sadly is lacking a lot in these forums.
What do you define as factual evidence,surveys,stats,anecdotes,since as Hume proved we cannot know as a fact that the sun will rise in the morning i think you ought to consider what debate really is before you start criticising others for their lack of facts.
come on kaz, ben is the first to ask for facts
but has none of his own :doh:
his schools bad dinners are based on unseasoned mash
so guesstimating can be considered fact when done by ben based on a game with the yellow pages .
so as you ask others for facts repeatedly ben. then you your self must come up with facts to prove your statement or be ridiculed by those who don`t have either piano tuners in their area or a yellow pages
if that`s the basis for an adult forum debate then my schools better than your school
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Quote by Ben_welshminx
I cant do anything to help the hundreds of thousands of kids who are served poor school meals every day. I can be concerned about it and voice those concerns. I could of course choose not to give a flying fuck so long as my kids are well fed which I choose not to do.
:shock::shock::shock:
Why would you choose not to give a flying fuck that your kids are well fed?
Sex God
and for those who don`t have a yellow pages
some facts
some facts
