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Anglo Saxons - can we look in the mirror and be honest?

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I have had the fortune to have travelled extensively throughout my adult life and indeed still do.
Over the years I have crystallised an opinion, based on passive observations, that we Anglo saxons and our cousins across the big pond are still empire builders at heart. We have certain traits as nations that are really quite distasteful and are not really anything to be proud of:
1) We have an inability to live and let live and have an overwhelming urge to have to categorise others according to opinion and not facts.
2) As a result of the above other nations and groups feel ostracised by the Anglo Saxons.
3) Also as a result of the above we have had our armed forces serve in armed conflicts somewhere in the world virtually every year since the end of WW2.
Why do we have to label others? Why do we have to pigeonhole them? Why do we have to take such offence at other nations who chose to live their lives differently to us - and why should it be so wrong to have different standards and expectations than we Englanders?
DISCLAIMER - I am talking very broadly here and of course there are many hundreds of thousands of individuals who are not little Englanders - but as a nation - personally - I think we could do much better by losing our historical baggage and viewing the world with a much more liberal and tolerant attitude.
I actually think this this underlying racial trait is one of the reasons that we are so violent as a nation, why we have to be trying to constantly prove ourselves (and failing) and why we are the road rage capitol of the world. We simply can't allow others to appear to have a different opinion to our own and then when they show a failing (eg - bad driving) we have to ram our opinion down their throat resulting in violent vehicular stand offs - as an example.
Again, a very broad generalisation but I am sure there is something in this.
Interesting points.
I have often thought the UK carried a legacy of its old empire to explain our national megalomania.
But that wouldn't explain the yanks would it.
Perhaps there is a conquistador gene specific to European peoples. It would explain the facts. The problem is finding somebody interested enough to pay for the research. I cant see any profit in it.
Another explanation could be cultural. Perhaps those who migrated from the cradles of civilisation to the cold north were the most warlike.
As it stands I think the warlike intentions of the rich westerner are currently prompted by the greed for oil. In evidence I would cite the enormous amount of war being conducted in oil producing areas compared to the tiny amount conducted in areas not rich in such resources.
No more blood for oil say I.
Frankly I find it offensive that you are pigeon holing me.
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I have had the fortune to have travelled extensively throughout my adult life and indeed still do.
Over the years I have crystallised an opinion, based on passive observations, that we Anglo saxons and our cousins across the big pond are still empire builders at heart. We have certain traits as nations that are really quite distasteful and are not really anything to be proud of:
1) We have an inability to live and let live and have an overwhelming urge to have to categorise others according to opinion and not facts.
2) As a result of the above other nations and groups feel ostracised by the Anglo Saxons.
3) Also as a result of the above we have had our armed forces serve in armed conflicts somewhere in the world virtually every year since the end of WW2.
Why do we have to label others? Why do we have to pigeonhole them? Why do we have to take such offence at other nations who chose to live their lives differently to us - and why should it be so wrong to have different standards and expectations than we Englanders?
DISCLAIMER - I am talking very broadly here and of course there are many hundreds of thousands of individuals who are not little Englanders - but as a nation - personally - I think we could do much better by losing our historical baggage and viewing the world with a much more liberal and tolerant attitude.
I actually think this this underlying racial trait is one of the reasons that we are so violent as a nation, why we have to be trying to constantly prove ourselves (and failing) and why we are the road rage capitol of the world. We simply can't allow others to appear to have a different opinion to our own and then when they show a failing (eg - bad driving) we have to ram our opinion down their throat resulting in violent vehicular stand offs - as an example.
Again, a very broad generalisation but I am sure there is something in this.

Am a bit confused as to what you mean by that. confused:
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I have often thought the UK carried a legacy of its old empire to explain our national megalomania.
But that wouldn't explain the yanks would it.

Yeah it would. All Protestant Anglo Saxon empire builders at heart on the Mayflower, yeah? Had summat to do with religious freedom apparently. lol ;) Everything follows from that point on Ben. It's all about the Empire, and they took that empire building mentality with them, till they chucked us out in bloody revolution cos of the price of teabags, and started to build an empire themselves, obviously? confused
Quote by Too Hot
Why do we have to label others? Why do we have to pigeonhole them?

You nailed it in the second sentence fella. It's Empire mate. You do of course understand that t'was us what lifted half the world outta their mud huts and gave 'em civilisation 'n' everything, yeah? ;) Engerland . . . . best country in the world! Bleedin' wogs coming over 'ere and stealing all our jobs don't know they're born! rolleyes :? We've had that attitude for a few hundred years, and yer 21st century ain't no better so far? :? ;)
Quote by Too Hot
Why do we have to take such offence at other nations who chose to live their lives differently to us

Because too many people in this country have no understanding whatsoever of the history of their own country! :roll: They don't understand that people gave their lives in their 100s and 1000s and millions, over centuries, so that the 'different' ((( Catholics / Jews / Protestants / Atheists / Anyone who claims the right to think for themselves independently of the State? ))) could lead their lives as they see fit. And then you have absolute fucking idiots ((( and I use that phrase advisedly, and I won't apologise for it! ))) voting BNP in the mistaken belief that Fascist Nazi scumbags are in some way defending 'British values?' :roll: banghead
I think the kind of thinking you describe is for some a remnant of Empire. It's ethnocentrism. It's the belief that those of us who live in England ((( Sorry Wales, Scotland, Ireland, etc. ;) ))) live in the best of all possible worlds. In some ways we do, but at the risk of being called a Cultural Relativist ((( a.k.a. Useful Idiot / Appeaser / etc? :? ))) we do need to move on, sharpish, from the Little Englander mentality that is becoming increasingly prominent in our media, and allow for the fact that not everyone thinks like us!?
As for losing our historical baggage? No! We need to cling to it hard. Our proper history that is, our real history. It is in some ways what seperates us from the tyrants out there. We ain't perfect by a long chalk, but we are much better than some, and I do think it's valid to criticise other cultures / governments. I *think* I understand what it took us in this country to get where we are, and I *don't* expect nations that didn't even exist 50 years ago to be better than us, and I *do* expect that quite a few of them will go through the same birth pangs we experienced as an emerging democracy ((( You know, civil war, terrorism , chopping people's 'ead's off, and what have you? ))) and while I think an appreciation of other cultures / belief systems is valid, we should also feel free to criticise others where they don't meet properly human standards of behaviour.
N x x x ;)
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I have had the fortune to have travelled extensively throughout my adult life and indeed still do.
Over the years I have crystallised an opinion, based on passive observations, that we Anglo saxons and our cousins across the big pond are still empire builders at heart. We have certain traits as nations that are really quite distasteful and are not really anything to be proud of:
1) We have an inability to live and let live and have an overwhelming urge to have to categorise others according to opinion and not facts.
2) As a result of the above other nations and groups feel ostracised by the Anglo Saxons.
3) Also as a result of the above we have had our armed forces serve in armed conflicts somewhere in the world virtually every year since the end of WW2.
Why do we have to label others? Why do we have to pigeonhole them? Why do we have to take such offence at other nations who chose to live their lives differently to us - and why should it be so wrong to have different standards and expectations than we Englanders?
DISCLAIMER - I am talking very broadly here and of course there are many hundreds of thousands of individuals who are not little Englanders - but as a nation - personally - I think we could do much better by losing our historical baggage and viewing the world with a much more liberal and tolerant attitude.
I actually think this this underlying racial trait is one of the reasons that we are so violent as a nation, why we have to be trying to constantly prove ourselves (and failing) and why we are the road rage capitol of the world. We simply can't allow others to appear to have a different opinion to our own and then when they show a failing (eg - bad driving) we have to ram our opinion down their throat resulting in violent vehicular stand offs - as an example.
Again, a very broad generalisation but I am sure there is something in this.

Am a bit confused as to what you mean by that. confused:
Only that we should be prepared to accept that not everyone wants be like us and live like us and simply accept them for who they are and what they are. We dont have to involve ourselves in armed conflicts all over the world because more than half of the conflicts that the armed forces have been involved in since the end of WW2 were both unnecessary and in some cases (Iraq for example) unjust and illegal.
A large proprtion of the world resents our attitude of feeling the need to impose a different set of values upon them and we do it all the time.
Our " historical baggage " is not what I would call it. It is our history for which we should be proud of. Yes not all of it but what country anywhere can say all their history is something to be proud of?
I think this country is one of, maybe even the most , tolerant country in the world.
Our cultures and our way of life I would never change. I am proud to be English, am proud of our heritage, I am proud of our history. Anyone who is not is not living in the right country.
Plane ticket to Afganistan anyone?
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Our " historical baggage " is not what I would call it. It is our history for which we should be proud of. Yes not all of it but what country anywhere can say all their history is something to be proud of?
I think this country is one of, maybe even the most , tolerant country in the world.
Our cultures and our way of life I would never change. I am proud to be English, am proud of our heritage, I am proud of our history. Anyone who is not is not living in the right country.
Plane ticket to Afganistan anyone?

I can't get my head around being "proud" of something I had no part in. However, I know that if I could, there are bloody great swathes of our history I'm actually pretty damn ashamed of.
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Our " historical baggage " is not what I would call it. It is our history for which we should be proud of. Yes not all of it but what country anywhere can say all their history is something to be proud of?
I think this country is one of, maybe even the most , tolerant country in the world.
Our cultures and our way of life I would never change. I am proud to be English, am proud of our heritage, I am proud of our history. Anyone who is not is not living in the right country.
Plane ticket to Afganistan anyone?

I can't get my head around being "proud" of something I had no part in. However, I know that if I could, there are bloody great swathes of our history I'm actually pretty damn ashamed of.
Quite possibly the same ones 777 is proud of wink
:kissmyarse:
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Our " historical baggage " is not what I would call it. It is our history for which we should be proud of. Yes not all of it but what country anywhere can say all their history is something to be proud of?
I think this country is one of, maybe even the most , tolerant country in the world.
Our cultures and our way of life I would never change. I am proud to be English, am proud of our heritage, I am proud of our history. Anyone who is not is not living in the right country.
Plane ticket to Afganistan anyone?

I can't get my head around being "proud" of something I had no part in. However, I know that if I could, there are bloody great swathes of our history I'm actually pretty damn ashamed of.
Care to elaborate at all?
So your obviously proud to be English/British then?
Quote by kentswingers777
Our " historical baggage " is not what I would call it. It is our history for which we should be proud of. Yes not all of it but what country anywhere can say all their history is something to be proud of?
I think this country is one of, maybe even the most , tolerant country in the world.
Our cultures and our way of life I would never change. I am proud to be English, am proud of our heritage, I am proud of our history. Anyone who is not is not living in the right country.
Plane ticket to Afganistan anyone?

I can't get my head around being "proud" of something I had no part in. However, I know that if I could, there are bloody great swathes of our history I'm actually pretty damn ashamed of.
Care to elaborate at all?
So your obviously proud to be English/British then?
No. My nationality is an accident of birth.
Yes, there's good in our chequered past. However, if I could feel pride in something I had no part in/no influence over, then I can't help think it would be outweighed by the shame I'd feel over the whole "Empire building" stage.
For example, when looking over the Normandy beaches, and walking round the war graves, I feel a deep sense of thankfulness- but not pride.
I deplore the attitude of thinking that the natives should be dragged from their mud huts & "made civilised." Why try to make everyone like us? Why foist upon them all the crap that goes with a "civilised" society?
I'm gabbling as I've just had puncture wounds made behind the knee by a kitten. Anyone got a puncture repair kit? evil
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Our " historical baggage " is not what I would call it. It is our history for which we should be proud of. Yes not all of it but what country anywhere can say all their history is something to be proud of?
I think this country is one of, maybe even the most , tolerant country in the world.
Our cultures and our way of life I would never change. I am proud to be English, am proud of our heritage, I am proud of our history. Anyone who is not is not living in the right country.
Plane ticket to Afganistan anyone?

I can't get my head around being "proud" of something I had no part in. However, I know that if I could, there are bloody great swathes of our history I'm actually pretty damn ashamed of.
Care to elaborate at all?
So your obviously proud to be English/British then?
No. My nationality is an accident of birth.
Yes, there's good in our chequered past. However, if I could feel pride in something I had no part in/no influence over, then I can't help think it would be outweighed by the shame I'd feel over the whole "Empire building" stage.
For example, when looking over the Normandy beaches, and walking round the war graves, I feel a deep sense of thankfulness- but not pride.
I deplore the attitude of thinking that the natives should be dragged from their mud huts & "made civilised." Why try to make everyone like us? Why foist upon them all the crap that goes with a "civilised" society?
I'm gabbling as I've just had puncture wounds made behind the knee by a kitten. Anyone got a puncture repair kit? evil
A strange answer, but your entitled to that.
Erm, thank you. Very kind I'm sure.
If you figure out how a foetus can telepathically influence where their mum goes into labour & registers the birth- please let me know. I quite fancy having New Zealand born grandkids- it'd be great for holidays. biggrin
Ones nationality is determined mainly by ones accident is not how I would view it.
It is not just about nationalities but culture.
Yes there is a lot wrong with this country, I have said it many times but...every country have their problems.
We have great history and some not so great. Why is it that people born and bred here, always focus on our past negativities?
There have been some great positives and we were once the greatest nation on the planet. Without us many things may not have been invented for many years after, if at all.
Hence the name Great Britain. For we once was the greatest and that is part of our positive history.
If my nationality was an " accident at birth ", then I thank my lucky stars and my parents.
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Ones nationality is determined mainly by ones accident is not how I would view it.
It is not just about nationalities but culture.
Yes there is a lot wrong with this country, I have said it many times but...every country have their problems.
We have great history and some not so great. Why is it that people born and bred here, always focus on our past negativities?
Simply yinging your yang.
There have been some great positives and we were once the greatest nation on the planet. Without us many things may not have been invented for many years after, if at all.
Hence the name Great Britain. 'Fraid not. As far as I'm aware, the "Great" simply meant larger- the "lesser" being Brittany. For we once was the greatest and that is part of our positive history.
I still can't see the empire building as a positive...
If my nationality was an " accident at birth ", then I thank my lucky stars and my parents.

Your nationality was something you had no control over- an accident of birth. You may consider it to have been a lucky one. However, if you'd been born Iranian, or a German, or a Guatemalan...chances are you'd be proud of a different nationality.
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Ones nationality is determined mainly by ones accident is not how I would view it.
It is not just about nationalities but culture.
Yes there is a lot wrong with this country, I have said it many times but...every country have their problems.
We have great history and some not so great. Why is it that people born and bred here, always focus on our past negativities?
There have been some great positives and we were once the greatest nation on the planet. Without us many things may not have been invented for many years after, if at all.
Hence the name Great Britain. For we once was the greatest and that is part of our positive history.
If my nationality was an " accident at birth ", then I thank my lucky stars and my parents.

This attitude (highlighted in bold) is the very epitome of why we are viewed with such disdain, by so many.
It is helpful to know how we have got to where we are, but harping on about past glories (be they real 1966 !!) or imagined (syphillising the world - or was it civislising?).
We live in a new and multi cultural world and the modern jet aircraft means that it is a very small world indeed. Personally speaking I think that WASPS (White Anglo Saxon Proddies) have major historical hang ups - the result of which is a chip on either shoulder and an inability to deal with the modern world and all its intricacies. DEcisions are made apologetically (typically British) and therefore never regarded with sincerity. Example - how can France get away with secular school rules but we try to make multiculturism a focus of being British - and fail miserably and end up with more racial problems than France has.
Sorry Kenty, I think you are wrong on this one being bombastic and British is the cause of so many of our problems - not the solution to them.
Quote by Too Hot
Ones nationality is determined mainly by ones accident is not how I would view it.
It is not just about nationalities but culture.
Yes there is a lot wrong with this country, I have said it many times but...every country have their problems.
We have great history and some not so great. Why is it that people born and bred here, always focus on our past negativities?
There have been some great positives and we were once the greatest nation on the planet. Without us many things may not have been invented for many years after, if at all.
Hence the name Great Britain. For we once was the greatest and that is part of our positive history.
If my nationality was an " accident at birth ", then I thank my lucky stars and my parents.

This attitude (highlighted in bold) is the very epitome of why we are viewed with such disdain, by so many.
It is helpful to know how we have got to where we are, but harping on about past glories (be they real 1966 !!) or imagined (syphillising the world - or was it civislising?).
We live in a new and multi cultural world and the modern jet aircraft means that it is a very small world indeed. Personally speaking I think that WASPS (White Anglo Saxon Proddies) have major historical hang ups - the result of which is a chip on either shoulder and an inability to deal with the modern world and all its intricacies. DEcisions are made apologetically (typically British) and therefore never regarded with sincerity. Example - how can France get away with secular school rules but we try to make multiculturism a focus of being British - and fail miserably and end up with more racial problems than France has.
Sorry Kenty, I think you are wrong on this one being bombastic and British is the cause of so many of our problems - not the solution to them.
:thumbup:
Am with you toohot
Well if you dislike it so much, why don't you go somewhere where the baggage does not exist, and somewhere where you can be proub of. Because from where I am sitting ya cannot stand the place.
We are the most tolerant country around, but some of the experts would say mixing cultures will never work, hence why we have so many racial problems.
That is not my opinion but you only have to look at the recent election results to know something ain't right.
You obviously have really nothing positive to say about this country, so can I ask why the heck do you stay? Because it sure as hell ain't for the weather. wink
wave *likes the weather*
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I actually think this this underlying racial trait is one of the reasons that we are so violent as a nation, why we have to be trying to constantly prove ourselves (and failing) ... Again, a very broad generalisation but I am sure there is something in this.

I don't think we are any more violent as a nation than any other and it is a huge generalisation ...
One of the 'problems' the nation has, imo, is that we are all too apologetic and ready to tell everyone how crap/unjust a nation are when if anything, the opposite is nearer the truth. That's NOT to say it's all wine and roses either ...
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I can't get my head around being "proud" of something I had no part in. However, I know that if I could, there are bloody great swathes of our history I'm actually pretty damn ashamed of.

... but if there are bits you can feel ashamed of (historically), there must be bits you can be proud of too as you will have had nothing to do with the good or the bad historically speaking?
Don't understand the accident of birth thing - well I do but it just seems an odd way of seeing things, it's sort of irrelevant, like being born male/female ... it just 'is' ...
Love the topic!
As an insular island nation that has been invaded and conquered many times I think that has given us a cosmopolitan personality with a unique amalgamation of skills and attitudes. Maybe as a consequence we believed we were superior to other nations because of our turgid history. We are all a product of our parents and their cultures and therefore we are not accidents of birth but conditioned by the kalaiedescope of colours that is our history.
Whilst not in agreement with many things our nation did in the past I do acknowledge that there are many countries that have taken certain British principles and have adopted them as there countries political model even to this is no doubt also that we are, as a nation, more tolerant than most of other cultures and beliefs.
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Well if you dislike it so much, why don't you go somewhere where the baggage does not exist, and somewhere where you can be proub of. Because from where I am sitting ya cannot stand the place.
We are the most tolerant country around, but some of the experts would say mixing cultures will never work, hence why we have so many racial problems.
That is not my opinion but you only have to look at the recent election results to know something ain't right.
You obviously have really nothing positive to say about this country, so can I ask why the heck do you stay? Because it sure as hell ain't for the weather. wink

Is that the answer to a debate then? - If you dont like it F off?
Not much point in having a debate really is there. May as well just accept the English way of doing things and let resentment simmer away.
If you get my point?......
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I can't get my head around being "proud" of something I had no part in. However, I know that if I could, there are bloody great swathes of our history I'm actually pretty damn ashamed of.

... but if there are bits you can feel ashamed of (historically), there must be bits you can be proud of too as you will have had nothing to do with the good or the bad historically speaking?
Don't understand the accident of birth thing - well I do but it just seems an odd way of seeing things, it's sort of irrelevant, like being born male/female ... it just 'is' ...
Having just read it back it's missing half a sentence :scratches head: The "if I could" bit was meant to be expanded on, as in "if I could feel pride, I'd feel ashamed too..." etc. :thumbup:
Kenty, I can't understand how on the one hand you're so incredibly proud to be British, and in countless other topics telling us how appaling the country is. You're always saying how, effectively, too much tolerance has caused the problems we have- and now saying we're the "most tolerant country around" in a positive way. dunno
At the time we were building our Empire, other non Anglo Saxon European nations, France, Spain Portugal and even Holland were doing the same thing. Japan was Imperialist.
It was a time when mankind was discovering the planet and thought processes were very different to now. Our forefathers may well have done things that we would be/are ashamed of now but so did the forefathers of the other nations. I don't think we were any different as a nation, it was the way the world was then and to be honest, is the way the world had always been. We are now several hundred years on and think much differently.
As far as the USA is concerned, I don't think they were Imperialist until after WW2 and that was down to their paranioa over the perceived spread of communism. I also don't think that USA can actually be described as Anglo Saxon?
Unfortunately since WW2, we have hung on to the USA's coat tails due to our "special relationship" which has got us embroiled in their "war against terror" amd more spcifically, Iraq. It was our politicians, notably Tony Blair that took us into the Iraq war, as a nation I think the vast majority were against it.
Our politicians have made some bloody awful mistakes which have created some of the problems that exist today, specifically the problems in the middle east. Can that be blamed on us as a nation? How long is it since the politicians stopped listening to us, if in fact they ever did?
So are we a more violent nation than most others? I don't think we are, we probably just know more about our history than we do of that of other nations. There are many more violent and indeed barbaric nations out there, just think of the genocide in Africa and the Balkans. Our society is amongst the most tolerant the world, our worst problem is our politician's ongoing belief that we can can still punch above our weight.
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Kenty, I can't understand how on the one hand you're so incredibly proud to be British, and in countless other topics telling us how appaling the country is. You're always saying how, effectively, too much tolerance has caused the problems we have- and now saying we're the "most tolerant country around" in a positive way. dunno

Because he has only just stopped being apoplectic about the stories he has read in the papers about the soldiers, and has yet to get to the stories about the feral youths running the towns.
I can just picture him sat in a chair, preaching in a similar fashion to Alf Garnett.
Edit: forgot the obligatory wink emoticon.
wink
Quote by Witchy
I can't get my head around being "proud" of something I had no part in. However, I know that if I could, there are bloody great swathes of our history I'm actually pretty damn ashamed of.

... but if there are bits you can feel ashamed of (historically), there must be bits you can be proud of too as you will have had nothing to do with the good or the bad historically speaking?
Don't understand the accident of birth thing - well I do but it just seems an odd way of seeing things, it's sort of irrelevant, like being born male/female ... it just 'is' ...
Having just read it back it's missing half a sentence :scratches head: The "if I could" bit was meant to be expanded on, as in "if I could feel pride, I'd feel ashamed too..." etc. :thumbup:
Kenty, I can't understand how on the one hand you're so incredibly proud to be British, and in countless other topics telling us how appaling the country is. You're always saying how, effectively, too much tolerance has caused the problems we have- and now saying we're the "most tolerant country around" in a positive way. dunno
I am proud to be English but am not proud of a lot of what it has become.
There is like anywhere lots wrong here, but get sick and tired of people bringing up negative things in our history from hundreds of years ago. It don't make sense.I remember Kenny boy crying over what we did with regards to the slave trade. Crying ffs? Come on. Yes that is a part of our bad history but....that was how many years ago now? They were what happened then and thankfully we have all moved on a bit from then.
We live here now and I am not really interested in something that happened 200 years ago.
We are the most tolerant country that I know of. But with that tolerance has brought about many changes, and a lot of them NOT for the better.
The op's comments were all negative it seemed to me, and I only said what a lot of people would think....if you do not like something then do something about it. I did not say if you don't like it the fuc-off, I was a bit more subtle. wink
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Kenty, I can't understand how on the one hand you're so incredibly proud to be British, and in countless other topics telling us how appaling the country is. You're always saying how, effectively, too much tolerance has caused the problems we have- and now saying we're the "most tolerant country around" in a positive way. dunno

Because he has only just stopped being apoplectic about the stories he has read in the papers about the soldiers, and has yet to get to the stories about the feral youths running the towns.
I can just picture him sat in a chair, preaching in a similar fashion to Alf Garnett.
Edit: forgot the obligatory wink emoticon.
wink
Essex if you was a tad funny I would be laughing, but sorry to say you are not in the slightest. flipa
All people do is slag me off from reading the papers, and having the affront to believe anything they write. Shame on me indeed.
Let's all believe that this country has no issues at all. The papers are all liars and scaremongerers.
There is no crime at all, no greedy bankers, no MP's stealing our money. No ferel yobs, no knife crime, no illegal immigrants sneaking in under lorries, no gun crime, no drug issues. There is no reccession, no.......
:idea: It is all a figment of my imagination. Yes ok give me a tenner and I will be on your side, and we can both live on planet Zanussi. :wink: BTW....what is it like there? Is it raining confused:
Nobody is saying there is nothing wrong with this country, as Witchy highlighted, you are inconsistent in your views, if anyone says anything negative your standard reply, regardless of how subtle you think you are, is "fuck off to another country then."
And then having shown that intolerance to someone elses viewpoint, which they are entitled to, as you are to yours, you then turn round in praise of this country, and how tolerant we are.
I do not think, or claim to be funny, but it is my opinion that you are fast becoming a figure of ridicule, and your inconsistency, your baiting of people and your blinkered viewpoints will only enhance this.
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Nobody is saying there is nothing wrong with this country, as Witchy highlighted, you are inconsistent in your views, if anyone says anything negative your standard reply, regardless of how subtle you think you are, is "fuck off to another country then."
And then having shown that intolerance to someone elses viewpoint, which they are entitled to, as you are to yours, you then turn round in praise of this country, and how tolerant we are.
I do not think, or claim to be funny, but it is my opinion that you are fast becoming a figure of ridicule, and your inconsistency, your baiting of people and your blinkered viewpoints will only enhance this.

Of which you are entitled to have, the same as me. I never told anyone to " fuck off to another country ", I merely said if there is so much wrong with this country then leave and find somewhere else you can be more proud of.
I am sure many others would think that way too.
As for becoming a " figure of ridicule ", now that is funny. This is not real here ya know, this is a forum in cyber space that in the real world means nothing.
It is because of too much tolerance that people like myself and my views do not fit in the with new hip hop Liberals way of thinking. Blame the press for everything. Year right ok.
I find it hard to believe how blinkered people have become, and the liberals and the social do gooders have brainwashed people into thinking everything is alright with the world. There ain't no social problems here thankyou very much, it is the Sun and the Daily Wail who try and twist things around.
Lat's all play hop scotch and drink lemonade. :idea:
Dare to not agree and they will label you a right wing tosser, whose only traits in life are reading the papers. Funny though that when it suits people to read the papers, like with the banks and MP's, everyone is up in arms about it. But I thought the press were all liars and thieves.
People take what they want from the papers and twist things they do not like and then like a magic fairy, all of a sudden believe what they want to believe. It is just that I believe a bit more about what I read in them, than a lot of others.
Now where did I put me News of the World again? wink