I know this question may cause some tutting and frowning mainly from the teachers but i feel that this is the case.
We are in an economic crisis and teachers feel they can justify a 10% or £3000 wage rise (whichever is the greater.) Now i appreciate we need teachers to educate our little ones but please this is ridiculous. Teachers get many weeks holidays more than the normal working person, and before anyone turns round and says yes but they have to prep and do marking whilst on holiday, then yes they do for about 3 days out of the 6 weeks they are off in summer alone, my sister and cousin are both teachers at middle schools so i have not made this up. Also teachers (who are there for the wellfare of the kids i am told) if things dont go there way and 10% rise is not given will go on strike thus meaning parents miss time at work to look after the kids and the kids miss valuable school time. However try taking a child out of school for a holiday during school term when it fits around the family and you have to write for approval to be given, it just all stinks of double standards!! Teachers really do believe in my opinion they can do what they want and demand what they want and if they dont get it they will strike regardless of the kids? Ok start the backlash. Cassie
Quote by jumptoit I know this question may cause some tutting and frowning mainly from the teachers but i feel that this is the case.
We are in an economic crisis and teachers feel they can justify a 10% or £3000 wage rise (whichever is the greater.) Now i appreciate we need teachers to educate our little ones but please this is ridiculous. Teachers get many weeks holidays more than the normal working person, and before anyone turns round and says yes but they have to prep and do marking whilst on holiday, then yes they do for about 3 days out of the 6 weeks they are off in summer alone, my sister and cousin are both teachers at middle schools so i have not made this up. Also teachers (who are there for the wellfare of the kids i am told) if things dont go there way and 10% rise is not given will go on strike thus meaning parents miss time at work to look after the kids and the kids miss valuable school time. However try taking a child out of school for a holiday during school term when it fits around the family and you have to write for approval to be given, it just all stinks of double standards!! Teachers really do believe in my opinion they can do what they want and demand what they want and if they dont get it they will strike regardless of the kids? Ok start the backlash. Cassie
all i would say is that even though they might think they are right to ask for such a rise, this doesnt mean to say that they will get it. Part of clever, and successful negotiation is to set ones price severely high in the first instance, with a view to agreeing a reduction on your initial figure. This often lends to getting more than you would have got if you would have aimed lower at the start. The most greedy underworked employees in the UK are senior management types IMO
We won't get 10% and I won't strike; neither will many of my colleagues. Jumptoit, your sister and cousin must work in very easy schools if they only have to work three days out of the six weeks - or there are other people doing their work for them. FB - works 4.5 days a week, from 9 until 3, weekends off and 13 weeks' paid holiday a year
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: Hey ! this is a serious subject.............and I AM being serious. I know, but I don't have to agree with you and the statement is laughable. In my opinion, of course.
I'm not a teacher. I do have experience of HE though. I don't know how much teachers earn, but whatever they get they deserve more. There is no way I could deal with a class of stroppy kids, no matter how many holidays I got. For that reason alone they deserve to be paid well. Ha. And pay the profession well and you get good people wanting to do the job. Dontcha? I got a 13% payrise (I think it was 13, it was a few grand a year anyway) some time ago, thank you very much and it's still not a patch on someone of equivalent qualifications could get elsewhere. I don't see why teachers shouldn't ask for 10%.
To answer the OP I don't think they are. In terms of anybody who works for a living negotiating the best price for that work, good luck to em. In terms of striking I support the right of any worker to withhold their labour to improve their reward or conditions. Equally if folk want an out of school holiday holiday, take the kids, I think that's fine too. I wouldn't teach for a living for twice the current pay. Anybody who thinks its an easy well paid job should spend the time and money to qualify and then try it. Here's a reference from the same source as the OP.
I have been on the phone 3 times this week at around ummm 5/6 pm with my son's 'vice principle' she tells me in 'old speak' that would be deputy head. Anyway, she has been keeping me up to date with the progress they are making with my son and checking that how I am getting on at home with him. (he is going through his GCSEs and a tough time in his personal life) I presume that the total of 2.5 hours she has spent on the phone to me is part of her job. I also presume there is more than just my son in the same situation. I know she is also 'head of art' and she is also the line manager for 2 other heads of year. I know that she is doing her job, but she has succeeded in making my son study (with the help of her staff) and there is a chance that he will come out of his GCSEs with some good results. Two of my bessie mates are teachers and I know how much they do, they work in deprived areas and as such have a constant battle to 'parent' and educate. Good on 'em. I would rather suck someone's toes than be a teacher or wear sperm for a week. :uhoh: The ones who work deserve every penny... the ones who don't, leave pretty quickly. The children are the hardest critics and the harshest judges.
To put things into perspective, teachers are reported to be asking for 10%, or £3000, whichever is greater, to educate children, if someone really wanted to make a difference, how about being the head of a Government owned company set up to tackle
Quote by benrums0n To answer the OP I don't think they are. In terms of anybody who works for a living negotiating the best price for that work, good luck to em. In terms of striking I support the right of any worker to withhold their labour to improve their reward or conditions. Equally if folk want an out of school holiday holiday, take the kids, I think that's fine too. I wouldn't teach for a living for twice the current pay. Anybody who thinks its an easy well paid job should spend the time and money to qualify and then try it. Here's a reference from the same source as the OP.
:shock: There's a spelling mistake in that! 'Perhaps this is one solution: greater flexibility over contract hours with teaches encouraged to get out of the school (and away from the others in the staff-room) when they are not timetabled to teach. ' We are allowed to be out of school during our PPA time but I know there are many schools where teachers have to be on school premises, even though the headteacher isn't allowed to make them. We also have 'directed time', when we have to remain in school, which is outside of timetabled teaching.
Quote by essex34m To put things into perspective, teachers are reported to be asking for 10%, or £3000, whichever is greater, to educate children, if someone really wanted to make a difference, how about being the head of a Government owned company set up to tackle poverty
Quote by Freckledbird To put things into perspective, teachers are reported to be asking for 10%, or £3000, whichever is greater, to educate children, if someone really wanted to make a difference, how about being the head of a Government owned company set up to tackle poverty
That's appalling He's abolished poverty at home, so that's a start. Just the rest of the world to go now.
Quote by northwest-cpl To put things into perspective, teachers are reported to be asking for 10%, or £3000, whichever is greater, to educate children, if someone really wanted to make a difference, how about being the head of a Government owned company set up to tackle poverty
That's appalling He's abolished poverty at home, so that's a start. Just the rest of the world to go now. Gordon Brown said he will save the world, so we have two people on the case
Quote by northwest-cpl To put things into perspective, teachers are reported to be asking for 10%, or £3000, whichever is greater, to educate children, if someone really wanted to make a difference, how about being the head of a Government owned company set up to tackle poverty
That's appalling He's abolished poverty at home, so that's a start. Just the rest of the world to go now. Well yes
I'd rather teachers were paid a little bit more to educate our children well and perhaps then they wouldn't go on to drain our country in benefits at a later date when they figure out how to work the system! :mrgreen:
Quote by Dirtygirly I'd rather teachers were paid a little bit more to educate our children well and perhaps then they wouldn't go on to drain our country in benefits at a later date when they figure out how to work the system! :mrgreen:
Or at least they'd be able to read, write and spell well enough to complete the forms - and have enough mathematical skill to calculate exactly how much they are entitled to
Quote by jumptoit I know this question may cause some tutting and frowning mainly from the teachers but i feel that this is the case.
We are in an economic crisis and teachers feel they can justify a 10% or £3000 wage rise (whichever is the greater.) Now i appreciate we need teachers to educate our little ones but please this is ridiculous. Teachers get many weeks holidays more than the normal working person, and before anyone turns round and says yes but they have to prep and do marking whilst on holiday, then yes they do for about 3 days out of the 6 weeks they are off in summer alone, my sister and cousin are both teachers at middle schools so i have not made this up. Also teachers (who are there for the wellfare of the kids i am told) if things dont go there way and 10% rise is not given will go on strike thus meaning parents miss time at work to look after the kids and the kids miss valuable school time. However try taking a child out of school for a holiday during school term when it fits around the family and you have to write for approval to be given, it just all stinks of double standards!! Teachers really do believe in my opinion they can do what they want and demand what they want and if they dont get it they will strike regardless of the kids? Ok start the backlash. Cassie
Give me a pay rise! Looking at that article Becky Williams moans that she's only earning 26,000 quid after 4 years in the job. Maybe someone should explain to her that pay is performance related. Maybe she's not putting in the hours and going that extra mile. I think all of our soldiers should get a payrise! 6 months on op's every 18 months or so! with some of our soldiers only earning 16,000 for doing so! With your average soldier lucky if he's on about 22,000! Take into consideration as well that if the fire service decide they're not getting paid enough; for doing a part time job, and decide to strike again who's going to step in. Ah bollocks! What are you moaning for? You're only jelous because your not going to get that big a pay rise :lol: At least we know know who to go to for a borrow when we're skint!
Quote by splendid_ I have been on the phone 3 times this week at around ummm 5/6 pm with my son's 'vice principle' she tells me in 'old speak' that would be deputy head. Anyway, she has been keeping me up to date with the progress they are making with my son and checking that how I am getting on at home with him. (he is going through his GCSEs and a tough time in his personal life) I presume that the total of 2.5 hours she has spent on the phone to me is part of her job. I also presume there is more than just my son in the same situation. I know she is also 'head of art' and she is also the line manager for 2 other heads of year. I know that she is doing her job, but she has succeeded in making my son study (with the help of her staff) and there is a chance that he will come out of his GCSEs with some good results. Two of my bessie mates are teachers and I know how much they do, they work in deprived areas and as such have a constant battle to 'parent' and educate. Good on 'em. I would rather suck someone's toes than be a teacher or wear sperm for a week. :uhoh: The ones who work deserve every penny... the ones who don't, leave pretty quickly. The children are the hardest critics and the harshest judges.
Typical week: Mon-Fri Work: 8am - 4:30pm Home Marking/Planning: 7pm - 11pm (sometimes later... depending on if it's exam/coursework stuff being marked.) Sat-Sun Marking/Planning: at least three/four hours a day. Underworked? :shock: Not last time I checked.
How much are teachers on anyway? A £3000 payrise means nothing to me if I do not know where the bottomline is. Someone tell me what a newly qualified teacher and a teacher with 5 years experienece and a teacher with 10+ years gets.........then I may be able to give my twopennyworth if they earn too much, too little or just right. Dave_Notts
Current payscale: Year 1 £20,627 Year 2 £22,259 Year 3 £24,048 Year 4 £25,898 Year 5 £27,939 Year 6 £30,148 Then there's an upper pay scale plus additional payments if you take on roles with specific responsibilities etc. But that's the basic payscale for classroom teachers (not London weighting.)
Quote by noladreams Current payscale: Year 1 £20,627 Year 2 £22,259 Year 3 £24,048 Year 5 £25,898 Year 6 £27,939 Year 7 £30,148 Then there's an upper pay scale plus additional payments if you take on roles with specific responsibilities etc. But that's the basic payscale for classroom teachers (not London weighting.)
Must be different for secondary teachers then. Main pay scale is 1 to 6, then Upper pay scale for years 7 to 12/15. And I'm generally in school by 715am, don't often leave as early as 430pm. Then marking etc. to do at home, with more planning and marking at weekends.
Quote by Freckledbird Current payscale: Year 1 £20,627 Year 2 £22,259 Year 3 £24,048 Year 5 £25,898 Year 6 £27,939 Year 7 £30,148 Then there's an upper pay scale plus additional payments if you take on roles with specific responsibilities etc. But that's the basic payscale for classroom teachers (not London weighting.)
Must be different for secondary teachers then. Main pay scale is 1 to 6, then Upper pay scale for years 7 to 12/15. Nah, it's the same - I just copied it wrongly off the spreadsheet!
The pay looks good to me. It would make me want to look at becoming a teacher if I was going off to university. Everyone would like more money, but in the scale of things it is pretty good for a public sector worker. Private sector is always about 10-20% higher than public sector but there again public sector also has certain perks that private do not. Do they deserve an extra £3000? I do not have a view on that, but if they get it I wouldn't begrudge them it. It was there choice to do that job, as it is my choice to do mine. I wouldn't change my job to become a teacher...........mainly because my spelling and punctuation is terrible Dave_Notts
The pay scale seems good to me too. Plus not many other jobs pay that money and have that amount of holiday time. Like most jobs...if you do not like the pay or conditions, then find another one. A three grand pay rise request in todays current climate, seems very greedy to me. But then what do I know? I am just a mere underpaid printer, trying desperatly to hold on to my job.
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