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Quote by awayman
At the time of writing this the BNP have 84 PPC's, but there is still plenty of time to get the nominations ready and sone will be waiting until after the EGM. The far left and the liberal crybabies have formed their usual alliance of smelly sheep, facebook and Twitter are both buzzing wildly with paranoid accusations of "neo nazism' etc. I have seen all this before, although there does seem to be much more anxiety, especially from the self interest groups. Of course those without the brains or the bottle to debate have returned to their fantastically successful (lol) No Platform policy, recently using threats of violence to force a university in Durham to cancel a debate with Chris Beverly and Andrew Brons MEP.
Interesting times await, and I for one hope the system gets the kick up the arse it deserves.
*PPC = Prospective Parliamentary Candidate
**EGM = Extraordinary General Meeting
Durham University didn't cancel the debate.
A student society cancelled an invitation to the debate.
A university in Durham? There is only one university in Durham.
So I don't know my way around Durham or the university. But the debate was cancelled after threats of violence made by those who have neither the brains or the minerals to engage in political or intellectual debate. The fact is that the left, the antis, and the liberal fash are losing the battle, the BNP are continuing to move forward. An immovable object is about to get smashed out of the way by an unstoppable force. Happy days! :0)
Spare us the inflammatory language. Bluntly, we ran you lot off the streets in the 70s and 80s, and we can do it again if we need to. Now, before the mods start waving the AUP around, do you want to take a step backwards?
Err, no!
Save your threats for someone who might care about them! :0)
Quote by flower411
At the time of writing this the BNP have 84 PPC's, but there is still plenty of time to get the nominations ready and sone will be waiting until after the EGM. The far left and the liberal crybabies have formed their usual alliance of smelly sheep, facebook and Twitter are both buzzing wildly with paranoid accusations of "neo nazism' etc. I have seen all this before, although there does seem to be much more anxiety, especially from the self interest groups. Of course those without the brains or the bottle to debate have returned to their fantastically successful (lol) No Platform policy, recently using threats of violence to force a university in Durham to cancel a debate with Chris Beverly and Andrew Brons MEP.
Interesting times await, and I for one hope the system gets the kick up the arse it deserves.
*PPC = Prospective Parliamentary Candidate
**EGM = Extraordinary General Meeting
Durham University didn't cancel the debate.
A student society cancelled an invitation to the debate.
A university in Durham? There is only one university in Durham.
So I don't know my way around Durham or the university. But the debate was cancelled after threats of violence made by those who have neither the brains or the minerals to engage in political or intellectual debate. The fact is that the left, the antis, and the liberal fash are losing the battle, the BNP are continuing to move forward. An immovable object is about to get smashed out of the way by an unstoppable force. Happy days! :0)
Spare us the inflammatory language. Bluntly, we ran you lot off the streets in the 70s and 80s, and we can do it again if we need to. Now, before the mods start waving the AUP around, do you want to take a step backwards?
the smell of testerone is rather strong in the air
violence has never solved an arguement yet,my grandfather fought the blackshirts in the 30s he was not proud of this ,or of his time in the Chindits,but his time as a socialist,humanist and trade unionist affected thousands
step back and recognise that my gang is bigger than your gang is not impressing anyone
Gang ??? Did somebody mention gang ??
I'm happy to do that Kaz but there's a problem here. I'd happily have debated with the BNP in Durham or anywhere else for that matter - I think no platform is daft and in debate I've seen off far left and far right alike. In everyday life I don't think we need to re-mobilize the squad or start looking to hunt down the BNP right now. But if the mods are going to let people post apocalyptic garbage about coming revolutions and the rise of the BNP on here, with immovable objects being smashed, maybe someone needs to put a marker down that we've lived through this stuff before, and all the historical evidence is that our grandads won in the 30s, our dads won in the 60s and 70s and we'll be able to mobilize enough ordinary decent people now if push comes to shove.
I don't believe it will come to that because I believe the BNP will collapse under the weight of its own internal contradictions and corruption, but just in case I occasionally whistle my favourite old punk song
"You'd better decide which side you're on
The shit goes down before too long
If left is right then right is wrong
You'd better decide which side you're on...."
Over to the mods now to try and work out a way forward so that people don't fall out on here over thigns that aren't to do with what we all have in common.
I mean what I say and I say what I mean, I don't resort to threats because I don't need to, nor do I expect moderators to remove things I don't like. So here is my last word for the time being. (I reserve the right to come back with a told you so). I'm not even remotely intimidated, if I'm expected to withdraw anything I have written then tough. As for putting down a marker? I am pleSed to see you impressed someone, I'm more inclined to suggest a place where you might stick it.
This is not the 70's or the 80's, Cable Street or The Blackshirts, this is a modern society where both sides of the argument are allowed to be heard. I just did a lot of homework and put the other side accross, make of it what you will. Have a spiffing day!
This is not the 70's or the 80's, Cable Street or The Blackshirts, this is a modern society where both sides of the argument are allowed to be heard. I just did a lot of homework and put the other side accross, make of it what you will. Have a spiffing day!
There is a subtle difference between the 60's and the 70's to the BNP now.
They have just won two seats in the European Parlaiment.....they actually polled over a million votes I believe, that is not just a few right wing thugs.
Do you really believe that the people who voted for the BNP, are all skinheads wearing bovver boots?
One of my neighbours voted for them last year. A lady of 86 with seven kids and loads of Grandkids..did not see her ever wearing bovver boots.
The people who are now voting for them are your everyday kind of people....The release of the members highlighted this, with Doctors and the like being on that list.
Don't be fooled into thinking this time is the same as the past...it is not.
Nick Griffin's seat he will be trying to take at the election, the Labour candidate has said she wants all immigrants to have contributed to the system BEFORE they get any benefits. I wonder why a Labour follower is saying that? Up against Griffin and I believe whislt she may think that is a good idea, her party to which she belongs would never advocate that. She is just saying it to gain some votes, and reading what I have I think she is worried he could well win that seat.
IF he was to win the seat, then they would have a member in Parliament, not quite the same as the 60's or the 70's.
Yes they would have no clout but then again nor has George ( I am a wally ) Galloway, yet he manages to take up more of Parliaments time, than all the Tories put together.
If people think the BNP are not here to stay then that is a dangerous game to play, and this Government and it's immigration policies, have created this supprt for the BNP.
I do not agree with about 80% of what they say, but then again I do not beleive 90% of what Labour say, and nor do a lot of other voters. The BNP are getting the votes from ex Labour supporters fed up with what they have done over the last ten years.
Where will it all end? I hope not on the streets of Britain like it WAS in the 60's and the 70's.
They have just won two seats in the European Parlaiment.....they actually polled over a million votes I believe, that is not just a few right wing thugs.
Do you really believe that the people who voted for the BNP, are all skinheads wearing bovver boots?
One of my neighbours voted for them last year. A lady of 86 with seven kids and loads of Grandkids..did not see her ever wearing bovver boots.
The people who are now voting for them are your everyday kind of people....The release of the members highlighted this, with Doctors and the like being on that list.
Don't be fooled into thinking this time is the same as the past...it is not.
Nick Griffin's seat he will be trying to take at the election, the Labour candidate has said she wants all immigrants to have contributed to the system BEFORE they get any benefits. I wonder why a Labour follower is saying that? Up against Griffin and I believe whislt she may think that is a good idea, her party to which she belongs would never advocate that. She is just saying it to gain some votes, and reading what I have I think she is worried he could well win that seat.
IF he was to win the seat, then they would have a member in Parliament, not quite the same as the 60's or the 70's.
Yes they would have no clout but then again nor has George ( I am a wally ) Galloway, yet he manages to take up more of Parliaments time, than all the Tories put together.
If people think the BNP are not here to stay then that is a dangerous game to play, and this Government and it's immigration policies, have created this supprt for the BNP.
I do not agree with about 80% of what they say, but then again I do not beleive 90% of what Labour say, and nor do a lot of other voters. The BNP are getting the votes from ex Labour supporters fed up with what they have done over the last ten years.
Where will it all end? I hope not on the streets of Britain like it WAS in the 60's and the 70's.
Quote by kentswingers777
There is a subtle difference between the 60's and the 70's to the BNP now.
They have just won two seats in the European Parlaiment.....they actually polled over a million votes I believe, that is not just a few right wing thugs.
Do you really believe that the people who voted for the BNP, are all skinheads wearing bovver boots?
One of my neighbours voted for them last year. A lady of 86 with seven kids and loads of Grandkids..did not see her ever wearing bovver boots.
The people who are now voting for them are your everyday kind of people....The release of the members highlighted this, with Doctors and the like being on that list.
Don't be fooled into thinking this time is the same as the past...it is not.
Nick Griffin's seat he will be trying to take at the election, the Labour candidate has said she wants all immigrants to have contributed to the system BEFORE they get any benefits. I wonder why a Labour follower is saying that? Up against Griffin and I believe whislt she may think that is a good idea, her party to which she belongs would never advocate that. She is just saying it to gain some votes, and reading what I have I think she is worried he could well win that seat.
IF he was to win the seat, then they would have a member in Parliament, not quite the same as the 60's or the 70's.
Yes they would have no clout but then again nor has George ( I am a wally ) Galloway, yet he manages to take up more of Parliaments time, than all the Tories put together.
If people think the BNP are not here to stay then that is a dangerous game to play, and this Government and it's immigration policies, have created this supprt for the BNP.
I do not agree with about 80% of what they say, but then again I do not beleive 90% of what Labour say, and nor do a lot of other voters. The BNP are getting the votes from ex Labour supporters fed up with what they have done over the last ten years.
Where will it all end? I hope not on the streets of Britain like it WAS in the 60's and the 70's.
Sad as it may be Kenty I believe it will end up on the streets, not as a battle between extremist elements of the far left and far right, happily those dinosaurs are (almost) extinct. It won't be a race war either, that would have happened a long time ago and it didn't. It will kick off when the British people realise that our so called democracy is a sham and that the politicians on both sides of the big house have been and are taking the mick. What happens in 2010 remains to be seen, we will be the last to know as usual. As I said earlier, interesting times ahead!
For sure Brighton.
A lot of citys are a powderkeg waiting to explode...it happened in Oldham not that long ago and it will not take much to tip it.
The war in Afghanistan has if nothing else, brought the British people closer together as we see our brave boys and girls coming home dead or dreadfully injured, whatever your stance on the war may be. The so called march into Wooten Basset or the Luton scenes only help the BNP's cause.
The ordinary person sees this and wonders where has it all gone wrong.
Immigration on a scale the likes of we have never seen before, a multiculturlism ideal by this Government to swamp us, has backfired big time on them.
In most polls immigration is right up there at the top of their agendas, and the people are not happy at all.
Suddenly because Bottler Brown says it is not racist to talk about immigration, it is now the hip word, but before that if you dared to mention the numbers coming here, then you was branded.
People I believe have now seen through this and will vote in the ballot box this year.
Will Griffin win his seat? I hope not but....I think it will be a close run thing. Will not be so easy to dismiss them then, when he turns up in Parliament on his first day as an MP.
A lot of citys are a powderkeg waiting to explode...it happened in Oldham not that long ago and it will not take much to tip it.
The war in Afghanistan has if nothing else, brought the British people closer together as we see our brave boys and girls coming home dead or dreadfully injured, whatever your stance on the war may be. The so called march into Wooten Basset or the Luton scenes only help the BNP's cause.
The ordinary person sees this and wonders where has it all gone wrong.
Immigration on a scale the likes of we have never seen before, a multiculturlism ideal by this Government to swamp us, has backfired big time on them.
In most polls immigration is right up there at the top of their agendas, and the people are not happy at all.
Suddenly because Bottler Brown says it is not racist to talk about immigration, it is now the hip word, but before that if you dared to mention the numbers coming here, then you was branded.
People I believe have now seen through this and will vote in the ballot box this year.
Will Griffin win his seat? I hope not but....I think it will be a close run thing. Will not be so easy to dismiss them then, when he turns up in Parliament on his first day as an MP.
Quote by kentswingers777
For sure Brighton.
A lot of citys are a powderkeg waiting to explode...it happened in Oldham not that long ago and it will not take much to tip it.
The war in Afghanistan has if nothing else, brought the British people closer together as we see our brave boys and girls coming home dead or dreadfully injured, whatever your stance on the war may be. The so called march into Wooten Basset or the Luton scenes only help the BNP's cause.
The ordinary person sees this and wonders where has it all gone wrong.
Immigration on a scale the likes of we have never seen before, a multiculturlism ideal by this Government to swamp us, has backfired big time on them.
In most polls immigration is right up there at the top of their agendas, and the people are not happy at all.
Suddenly because Bottler Brown says it is not racist to talk about immigration, it is now the hip word, but before that if you dared to mention the numbers coming here, then you was branded.
People I believe have now seen through this and will vote in the ballot box this year.
Will Griffin win his seat? I hope not but....I think it will be a close run thing. Will not be so easy to dismiss them then, when he turns up in Parliament on his first day as an MP.
Barking & Dagenham has been a good place for the BNP over the last few years, and Maggie Hodge has done herself no favours backtracking on her parties immigration policy, she won't win BNP voters but may well lose some who were going to vote labour. The BNP are the official opposition in that ward too, so it is easy to see why Griffin wants to be involved personally. His assistant in Brussels, Tina Wingfeild is standing in Salford Greater Manchester, that is another interesting prospect. I expect them to gain at least two parliamentary seats, this will be an unpresidented step forward for them, and will be a good thing in my book. Remember Gerry Adams and Martim Mcguiness have seats so why not a couple of British nationalists to redress the ballance?
Brown is clinging like a maniac to a position he neither earned or deserved, he is a little like Mugabe the way he carries on. But I doubt that his attempt to change the voting system in order to save a few seats will get through both houses in time to impact this years election. The Tories will win by a 1983 style landslide and liebour will revert back to the days of Michael Foot (although at least Foot was a gentleman). The Tory plans to cut spending and raise taxes are nessacary, but wont be popular and they will also have to try very hard to last a full term. 2015 will be a turning point, we might well end up with a hung parliament, and that is when smaller groups like tge BNP will start to get a real say in things. To this commentator it's all elementary my dear Watson! Lol
Well, this has already been talked out so I'll just add my vote on the bottom (since I don't seem to be able to vote in the poll any more).
I'll never vote BNP (no surprise to anyone who's read any of my posts elsewhere!), firstly. I don't agree with the "No Platform" thing - I think we should be able to take them on in a debate and win, because basically they're wrong and their arguments generally rely on misrepresentation of statistics and faulty logic. But I do despair a little, because the number of people who can't recognise faulty logic when they see it is often disappointingly large. The entire readership of the Daily Mail, for instance. But I'll come back to that.
1.
a) well, the Irish and the Basques have already been mentioned. Timothy McVeigh (Oklahoma City bomber) looked pretty American too, I'd say.
b. yes, and with a Yorkshire accent - the ones responsible for the London bombings that is, mostly born and raised in Leeds. Fucking Yorkies.
c. you mean like, Richard Reid? (But actually, putting aside the fact that the answers aren't what you were hoping, even just this question shows you up. Are you seriously saying you have difficulty pronouncing names like Muktar Said Ibrahim, or Yasin Hassan Omar (London tube bombers, the first two names on the list)? How stupid are you then? Can't you read or something? It's not fucking difficult. Christ. Going to the football or eating Italian food must be a nightmare for you. Taglia.... errmmm bolog.... nope, I'll just have the garlic bread.)
Aaaanyway. The key point, before I got onto general illiteracy amongst the racist, was that not all terrorists are Muslim, and indeed not all Muslims are terrorists.
2
I actually don't see the problem with immigration. I really don't. Bearing in mind that the natural counterpart of immigration is emigration, and I'm bang up for my right to go an live in Germany for a bit, or Australia for a bit, or wherever else (a) I fancy and (b) I get a good job.
I don't really believe that an increasing immigrant population will represent a significant burden on our economy, not when the vast majority of them find professional/managerial level work (30% of the net immigration during the 90s*) or are students (37%), with the non-EU ones paying massive tuition fees into our education system. I see more of a problem with us drowning under a sea of grannies, to be honest. As the white, and overall, population ages due to falling birthrates and rising life expectancies, who on earth is going to pay your pension? Your kids? Erm no, you haven't had any. Again, step forward the immigrants - predominantly young, predominantly with a higher birthrate. If I was being Devil's advocate, I'd say illegal immigrants are even better - anyone with enough motivation to cross continents in the undercarriage of lorries is surely not going to suddenly sit around on the dole claiming incapacity benefit and watching Jeremy Kyle. In fact, when have you ever seen a Somalian refugee in Tescos in their pyjamas? These are people who will go out and work fucking hard, and if we let them will pay taxes too.
3
But there's so much innaccuracy and scaremongering going around on this. The biggest problem is the the politicians haven't got the balls to actually stand up and do the argument in favour, so all we ever hear is the argument against. That article from the Daily Mail quoted above, about the draft document on migration - the thing is:
A. it's an unpublished draft. In other words, someone decided it was wrong and threw it in the bin. To say it's what they've been thinking all along is simply false. I made a shopping list the other day with chorizo on it. I threw it in the bin, and made another with salami instead. I didn't buy chorizo, I bought salami, and that was because I decided I didn't want chorizo.
But, also,
B. It's talking about migration. It's saying migration is potentially a good thing. I agree with this. Migration includes many things. It's not only about the dirty Muslims bringing their baby making slaves to Dagenham. It's also about British old folk going to live out their days on the Costa Del Sol, and German students studying in a University in Durham, and French footballers going to play in Serie A. And Australian teenagers coming to work in all the bars in London. Migration. There are many different kinds. It doesn't all have to be scary.
But, also,
C. It's saying that immigrants enrich our society. Which they do. (i) by bringing cash money and in extreme cases buying football clubs**; (ii) by bringing skills and a strong work ethic; (iii) by bringing cultural products. The food in this country is waaaay better now than it was 20 years ago, and I attribute this almost entirely to immigration. Most current forms of popular music, from hip hop to drum and bass to (obviously) bhangra to R&B are heavily influenced and often driven by immigrant communities, and music is one of the few things we still export for big bucks £££. I could go on, but you've stopped reading this anyway.
But also, and above all,
4
Not all Muslims are terrorists. Not even most of them. Hardly any of them in fact. They just look different and have a different religion and speak another language. In the same way you're saying not all BNP voters are racist narrowminded thugs. I'm sure they're not.
For fuck's sake. Broaden your horizons. It's a big world we live in now. Embrace that rather than trying to pretend it isn't happening.
* table 4, p6
**although this is not necessarily a good example.
I'll never vote BNP (no surprise to anyone who's read any of my posts elsewhere!), firstly. I don't agree with the "No Platform" thing - I think we should be able to take them on in a debate and win, because basically they're wrong and their arguments generally rely on misrepresentation of statistics and faulty logic. But I do despair a little, because the number of people who can't recognise faulty logic when they see it is often disappointingly large. The entire readership of the Daily Mail, for instance. But I'll come back to that.
1.
Quote by couplemids2003
Look at all of the recent acts of terrorism against Western countries and then look at the clues;
a. Do they look British?
b. Do they speak English?
c. Can you prounounce their name?
a) well, the Irish and the Basques have already been mentioned. Timothy McVeigh (Oklahoma City bomber) looked pretty American too, I'd say.
b. yes, and with a Yorkshire accent - the ones responsible for the London bombings that is, mostly born and raised in Leeds. Fucking Yorkies.
c. you mean like, Richard Reid? (But actually, putting aside the fact that the answers aren't what you were hoping, even just this question shows you up. Are you seriously saying you have difficulty pronouncing names like Muktar Said Ibrahim, or Yasin Hassan Omar (London tube bombers, the first two names on the list)? How stupid are you then? Can't you read or something? It's not fucking difficult. Christ. Going to the football or eating Italian food must be a nightmare for you. Taglia.... errmmm bolog.... nope, I'll just have the garlic bread.)
Aaaanyway. The key point, before I got onto general illiteracy amongst the racist, was that not all terrorists are Muslim, and indeed not all Muslims are terrorists.
2
I actually don't see the problem with immigration. I really don't. Bearing in mind that the natural counterpart of immigration is emigration, and I'm bang up for my right to go an live in Germany for a bit, or Australia for a bit, or wherever else (a) I fancy and (b) I get a good job.
I don't really believe that an increasing immigrant population will represent a significant burden on our economy, not when the vast majority of them find professional/managerial level work (30% of the net immigration during the 90s*) or are students (37%), with the non-EU ones paying massive tuition fees into our education system. I see more of a problem with us drowning under a sea of grannies, to be honest. As the white, and overall, population ages due to falling birthrates and rising life expectancies, who on earth is going to pay your pension? Your kids? Erm no, you haven't had any. Again, step forward the immigrants - predominantly young, predominantly with a higher birthrate. If I was being Devil's advocate, I'd say illegal immigrants are even better - anyone with enough motivation to cross continents in the undercarriage of lorries is surely not going to suddenly sit around on the dole claiming incapacity benefit and watching Jeremy Kyle. In fact, when have you ever seen a Somalian refugee in Tescos in their pyjamas? These are people who will go out and work fucking hard, and if we let them will pay taxes too.
3
But there's so much innaccuracy and scaremongering going around on this. The biggest problem is the the politicians haven't got the balls to actually stand up and do the argument in favour, so all we ever hear is the argument against. That article from the Daily Mail quoted above, about the draft document on migration - the thing is:
A. it's an unpublished draft. In other words, someone decided it was wrong and threw it in the bin. To say it's what they've been thinking all along is simply false. I made a shopping list the other day with chorizo on it. I threw it in the bin, and made another with salami instead. I didn't buy chorizo, I bought salami, and that was because I decided I didn't want chorizo.
But, also,
B. It's talking about migration. It's saying migration is potentially a good thing. I agree with this. Migration includes many things. It's not only about the dirty Muslims bringing their baby making slaves to Dagenham. It's also about British old folk going to live out their days on the Costa Del Sol, and German students studying in a University in Durham, and French footballers going to play in Serie A. And Australian teenagers coming to work in all the bars in London. Migration. There are many different kinds. It doesn't all have to be scary.
But, also,
C. It's saying that immigrants enrich our society. Which they do. (i) by bringing cash money and in extreme cases buying football clubs**; (ii) by bringing skills and a strong work ethic; (iii) by bringing cultural products. The food in this country is waaaay better now than it was 20 years ago, and I attribute this almost entirely to immigration. Most current forms of popular music, from hip hop to drum and bass to (obviously) bhangra to R&B are heavily influenced and often driven by immigrant communities, and music is one of the few things we still export for big bucks £££. I could go on, but you've stopped reading this anyway.
But also, and above all,
4
Not all Muslims are terrorists. Not even most of them. Hardly any of them in fact. They just look different and have a different religion and speak another language. In the same way you're saying not all BNP voters are racist narrowminded thugs. I'm sure they're not.
For fuck's sake. Broaden your horizons. It's a big world we live in now. Embrace that rather than trying to pretend it isn't happening.
* table 4, p6
**although this is not necessarily a good example.
If I did not know better....you sure your not Tony Blair?
A Labour supporter?
I know of three people, two South Africans and one Pole who are here on " student vises ". Yeah right. One of them has only been there for seven months out of four years, and the other two have not spent a year there between them.
Now people may well ask the obvious question....how can they get away with it? Well it is simple you see. The colleges involved never check their pupils attendances, all they want is the yearly fees, which the people I know happily pay once a year.
No checks at all are made as to who attends and who does not....and there are thousands of them out there. A lot of them then earn money on the black market which helps nobody except the dishonest employer yet....when they need NHS treatment, guess what mugs pick up the tab?
One of the South Africans has just had twins, so imagine how much all that cost the taxpayer, yet he contributes nothing into the system, as he is on a " student visa ".
How many are doing this it is impossible to know but....if I know of three in my tiny circle of people, then there must be thousands of them. Only now after many years of this fraud taking place, are the Government actually going to do something about the student visa thing....pity they did not do it sooner.
Still a nice ramble.
A Labour supporter?
I know of three people, two South Africans and one Pole who are here on " student vises ". Yeah right. One of them has only been there for seven months out of four years, and the other two have not spent a year there between them.
Now people may well ask the obvious question....how can they get away with it? Well it is simple you see. The colleges involved never check their pupils attendances, all they want is the yearly fees, which the people I know happily pay once a year.
No checks at all are made as to who attends and who does not....and there are thousands of them out there. A lot of them then earn money on the black market which helps nobody except the dishonest employer yet....when they need NHS treatment, guess what mugs pick up the tab?
One of the South Africans has just had twins, so imagine how much all that cost the taxpayer, yet he contributes nothing into the system, as he is on a " student visa ".
How many are doing this it is impossible to know but....if I know of three in my tiny circle of people, then there must be thousands of them. Only now after many years of this fraud taking place, are the Government actually going to do something about the student visa thing....pity they did not do it sooner.
Still a nice ramble.
Quote by kentswingers777
I know of three people, two South Africans and one Pole who are here on " student vises ". Yeah right. One of them has only been there for seven months out of four years, and the other two have not spent a year there between them.
Funny, I wouldn't have thought the Pole would bother with visa fraud given that as a national of the European Economic Area they're entitled to free movement and working rights anywhere in Europe (don't you remember the millions of Poles the Mail was telling you would flood in as soon as they had the right? They didn't come in anywhere near the numbers they predicted by the way, and mostly they only stay for a year or two.) Sorry, do you want to make that one up again?
Quote by kentswingers777
No checks at all are made as to who attends and who does not....and there are thousands of them out there. A lot of them then earn money on the black market which helps nobody except the dishonest employer yet....when they need NHS treatment, guess what mugs pick up the tab?
Where is your evidence for this paragraph? This is the pattern - misrepresented evidence followed up by faulty logic or prejudice. This is just what the paper has told you, isn't it? My University does checks; students who do not attend a certain proportion of lectures and classes are expelled in short order, and their visas revoked where relevant. In my department the undergraduates miss three classes before coming under investigation, and if they're awol for a month they're off the books, period. If it bothers you so much, if you have any evidence your South African friends are committing visa fraud or are working in the black market, you should report them to the police. Believe me, once immigration get stuck in they'll be on a plane pretty quick with very few questions asked. Unless of course it's you that's employing them cash in hand?
Because nobody dares to speak in favour of immigration, these kind of misheard, misremembered, misunderstood half- or non-truths can often go unchallenged and can take hold. It's irresponsible to spout bigotry without getting your facts straight (of course, it's not very nice even when it is accurate), because what's at stake here is the rise of fascism. I agree with the suggestions higher in this thread that it seems more serious now than maybe 20 years ago - the established parties have failed the electorate, we're in a serious recession, and the BNP are really trying to make themselves look like a proper option.
I'm not Tony Blair. I'm only tenuously a Labour supporter. I think Tony Blair has done more to kill politics in this country than anyone else, the gutless lying shit. I find relatively little to vote for in any of the political parties. But, sadly, there is enough to vote against; primarily the BNP and secondly the Conservatives. I don't believe the Tories are evil, but I'd much rather a world in which they're not in power. The BNP though is emphatically worth voting against.
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How many are doing this it is impossible to know but....if I know of three in my tiny circle of people, then there must be thousands of them.
I don't know any non-EEA nationals who are committing visa fraud (or any EEA nationals doing it unnecessarily, either). I do know lots of overseas students. Generally because they're paying up to £20,000/year in tuition fees, they take their courses very seriously indeed I know a Chilean girl who, given that she has a German grandfather, is actually eligible for an EU passport, but because her parents didn't register her as dual nationality when she was born, doesn't have the automatic rights she could have had; however it doesn't matter, as she's achieved a PhD by the age of 25 and has got a job through her sheer brilliance. Isn't it ridiculous though? because of a technicality she either is or isn't considered worthy of being here?
The restaurant in my workplace is run by a Belarussian girl who works two jobs to support her bankrupt (and fairly lazy) English boyfriend's failing business to the tune of £5000 just this year. She's allowed to do this because she had a visa marriage about five years ago; again the ridiculous technicalities, but she is clearly an asset to this country; she works hard and pays tax (and by the way she eats healthily and keeps herself fit). Her assistant is a Polish girl who is similarly brilliant. The (British) chefs are routinely late or absent or inept. If If I had to expel anyone from Britain, I know who it would be.
I know plenty of white British born and raised who are lazy and/or fraudulent in their approach to work.
Anecdotal "I know such-and-such" stories are a waste of time because we all know people, and if you think about it you probably know more hard-working foreigners and lazy British than you realise.
It's just nonsense really; that's the thing. All of the arguments the BNP can make are just nonsense when you take the time to interrogate them. It's just that none of our mainstream politicians ever do because they're shit-scared.
Ummmmmmm well maybe its just me but I think I worked out about 20 years ago that nationalism can never work. The technology revolution enabling us to move and communicate globally will continue that pattern of world movement. It is just change on a global scale.
BNP - well I have yet to meet anyone who is a member but I would listen to their rhetoric in the same way I would listen to a conservative or labour view. I always read the manefeto's and I will make an informed decision based upon my belief's and values as to how I want to vote. But as a socialist and feminist I will always be biased in my choices which we all are.
I do get tired however of being told its the racist card - how we treat minority groups in this country as it is no longer true. White racism is as prevalent as any other racism. Its the bit I dislike in all mankind.
BNP - well I have yet to meet anyone who is a member but I would listen to their rhetoric in the same way I would listen to a conservative or labour view. I always read the manefeto's and I will make an informed decision based upon my belief's and values as to how I want to vote. But as a socialist and feminist I will always be biased in my choices which we all are.
I do get tired however of being told its the racist card - how we treat minority groups in this country as it is no longer true. White racism is as prevalent as any other racism. Its the bit I dislike in all mankind.
