Every death or injury to our forces around the world and especially in Afghanistan is a tragedy that cannot be expressed, the death toll has reached 358 (including accidents), that is terrible, but put in perspective it shows how efficient our troops actually are.
During the 1 month (approximately)of the Falklands Campaign we lost 352 men.
During the 1st morning of the Somme Campaign we lost over 60,000 men.
So far in 9 years of fighting in Afghanistan we have lost 358 men.
All sad figures but do show that not only are we winning but that our troops are doing so in a positive way, thier training, moral, efficiency and ability to neuralize the enemy forces has never been so well demonstrated.
Well done lads and ladies, come home soon, come home safe.
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Quote by MidsCouple24
Every death or injury to our forces around the world and especially in Afghanistan is a tragedy that cannot be expressed, the death toll has reached 358 (including accidents), that is terrible, but put in perspective it shows how efficient our troops actually are.
During the 1 month (approximately)of the Falklands Campaign we lost 352 men.
During the 1st morning of the Somme Campaign we lost over 60,000 men.
So far in 9 years of fighting in Afghanistan we have lost 358 men.
All sad figures but do show that not only are we winning but that our troops are doing so in a positive way, thier training, moral, efficiency and ability to neuralize the enemy forces has never been so well demonstrated.
Well done lads and ladies, come home soon, come home safe.
Not sure what your post is about????
When did we declare war on Afghanistan????
Our brave troops are working as a peace keeping force, not an invasion force.
1 death is in my opinion, 1 to many in a conflict that has nothing to do with us.
If the YANKS want to control the oil,then let THEM fight for it.
Just my own personel opinion.
Whilst I endorse your sentiments about our troops in Afghanistan, there is no way that you can compare the Battle of the Somme, or the Falklands War with the conflict in Afghanistan and nor can you compare the casualty rates. Also I belive that the UK casualty figure in the Falklands War was nearer 250 than 350.
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Cheers Max. Saved me trying to type up me thoughts in a coherent way with one hand while simultaneously biting down so hard it bleeds on the other. 
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Mids, I appreciate the sentiment, but there's surely no comparison whatsoever to be made between what's happening to professional soldiers with all manner of modern weaponry at their disposal in Afghanistan, facing a rag-tag insurgency that sometimes uses women and children as weapons, with what happened to volunteer cannon-fodder staring at eachother's mechanised death in 1916, is there?
Not quoting your last paragraph directly, but d'you really think we can win this? I'm not convinced we can 'beat' the Taliban, whatever that means on their home turf through force of arms, no matter how well trained and motivated we may be, no matter how many body bags come back, and the sooner we accept that some final solution will have to include them no matter how many young men we dishonour in the process the better.
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;)Mids, I appreciate the sentiment, but there's surely no comparison whatsoever to be made between what's happening to professional soldiers with all manner of modern weaponry at their disposal in Afghanistan, facing a rag-tag insurgency that sometimes uses women and children as weapons, with what happened to volunteer cannon-fodder staring at eachother's mechanised death in 1916, is there?
Not quoting your last paragraph directly, but d'you really think we can win this? I'm not convinced we can 'beat' the Taliban, whatever that means on their home turf through force of arms, no matter how well trained and motivated we may be, no matter how many body bags come back, and the sooner we accept that some final solution will have to include them no matter how many young men we dishonour in the process the better.
N x x x ;)
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neily ya tart 
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I was tempted top reply to the jingoistic crap above but I shall refrain
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Awrite Staggy.
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Good lad Staggers. You know it makes sense.
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Awrite Staggy.
'Ere . . . . . d'you wanna see some ferrets? Mebbe have a bit of a furtle? ;) Massive gonads on 'em and stinking to high heaven they are. You'd like 'em! We've got pictures and everything. :D
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dude get ya asses down here will ya to talk politics and hot tubs, we miss you
We all have opinions on everything, white or brown bread, the death sentence, the pope that is good and I appreciate your input.
In most times of war more time is spent idle than in actual battle, in Helmand most troops are facing action almost every minute of the day, in the somme it was a few hours, in the Falklands a month, does it matter so much, is it not good news to see that we are learning from the mistakes of the Somme, that we are better equipped than they were in the Falklands, that the troops too have learned lessons (especially from the troubles in Ireland where street fighting and culvert mines were commonplace.
I didn't want to start a debate on wether we will win or if we should be there, I am a realist and we are there, I just wanted to put some positive news into the pot. If you don't think our troops are doing a good job of what they have been ordered to do by the people you elected and pay your taxes too that is your choice, you can stand behind our troops or not, if you don't want to stand behind them please feel free to stand in front of them.
I was wrong about the numbers killed in the Falklands campaign, it was actually 356 including those killed after the Argentine surrender when a Harrier pilot fired his missile during a taxi manouvre on the runway at Stanley and those SAS/SBS troops killed in the helicopter accidents on Fortuna glacier.
Y'know allowing someone, anyone total control of the oil is not a good thing, Saddam tried to do it with his invasion of Iran, this failed so he tried it with Kuwait, he already had the battle plans drawn up for the invasion of Saudia Arabia and Oman, if Saddam controlled the oil, you wouldn't be going to work in the morning, your children wouldn't be going to school and shops would empty because with out oil for heating, transport and lighting none of us are going anywhere and when one man/nation gets control of it all then the price is what they want it to be.
Afghanistan doesn't have oil it has drugs, it finances itself by supporting world wide terrorism as Libya did for many years. Why do you think Al Quaeda based themselves there and not in thier leaders home country of Iraq ?
The majority of people in Iraq and Afghanistan welcome our help, but as with all such conflicts you only here the voices of the militants.
How many of you believe prostitution should be legalised, cleaned up and registered for tax, how many of you are heard, how many against it such as the government and the arrests do you hear about, even the Police would like to see it legalised so they can stop the money going into the drug industry but if it is not popular it is muted.
In most times of war more time is spent idle than in actual battle, in Helmand most troops are facing action almost every minute of the day, in the somme it was a few hours, in the Falklands a month, does it matter so much, is it not good news to see that we are learning from the mistakes of the Somme, that we are better equipped than they were in the Falklands, that the troops too have learned lessons (especially from the troubles in Ireland where street fighting and culvert mines were commonplace.
I didn't want to start a debate on wether we will win or if we should be there, I am a realist and we are there, I just wanted to put some positive news into the pot. If you don't think our troops are doing a good job of what they have been ordered to do by the people you elected and pay your taxes too that is your choice, you can stand behind our troops or not, if you don't want to stand behind them please feel free to stand in front of them.
I was wrong about the numbers killed in the Falklands campaign, it was actually 356 including those killed after the Argentine surrender when a Harrier pilot fired his missile during a taxi manouvre on the runway at Stanley and those SAS/SBS troops killed in the helicopter accidents on Fortuna glacier.
Y'know allowing someone, anyone total control of the oil is not a good thing, Saddam tried to do it with his invasion of Iran, this failed so he tried it with Kuwait, he already had the battle plans drawn up for the invasion of Saudia Arabia and Oman, if Saddam controlled the oil, you wouldn't be going to work in the morning, your children wouldn't be going to school and shops would empty because with out oil for heating, transport and lighting none of us are going anywhere and when one man/nation gets control of it all then the price is what they want it to be.
Afghanistan doesn't have oil it has drugs, it finances itself by supporting world wide terrorism as Libya did for many years. Why do you think Al Quaeda based themselves there and not in thier leaders home country of Iraq ?
The majority of people in Iraq and Afghanistan welcome our help, but as with all such conflicts you only here the voices of the militants.
How many of you believe prostitution should be legalised, cleaned up and registered for tax, how many of you are heard, how many against it such as the government and the arrests do you hear about, even the Police would like to see it legalised so they can stop the money going into the drug industry but if it is not popular it is muted.
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I was wrong about the numbers killed in the Falklands campaign, it was actually 356 including those killed after the Argentine surrender when a Harrier pilot fired his missile during a taxi manouvre on the runway at Stanley and those SAS/SBS troops killed in the helicopter accidents on Fortuna glacier.
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If you want to be pedantic about the number, it was actually 255, according to both the following links............
Don't want to be pedantic just as correct as I can be and your figures were taken from the wrong year 
a member of 45 Commando died just 2 years ago as (according to doctors and the War Department) as a direct result of injuries sustained during the conflict, the wounds he recieved weakened and damaged vital organs which eventually could not cope.
The corroner reported his wounds as being the cause the failure of vital organs.
There may have been others, there might be others in the future.
Not unusual, many people die years later as a result of injuries sustained in the past from industrial accidents, road accidents, war and anything else that damages the body.
Every death is a tragedy, I am sure we would all agree on that.
a member of 45 Commando died just 2 years ago as (according to doctors and the War Department) as a direct result of injuries sustained during the conflict, the wounds he recieved weakened and damaged vital organs which eventually could not cope.The corroner reported his wounds as being the cause the failure of vital organs.
There may have been others, there might be others in the future.
Not unusual, many people die years later as a result of injuries sustained in the past from industrial accidents, road accidents, war and anything else that damages the body.
Every death is a tragedy, I am sure we would all agree on that.
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I was wrong about the numbers killed in the Falklands campaign, it was actually 356 including those killed after the Argentine surrender when a Harrier pilot fired his missile during a taxi manouvre on the runway at Stanley and those SAS/SBS troops killed in the helicopter accidents on Fortuna glacier.
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If you want to be pedantic about the number, it was actually 255, according to both the following links............
to quote your second link the figure is:
It resulted in the deaths of 257 British and 649 Argentine soldiers, sailors, and airmen, and the deaths of three civilian Falkland Islander
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.......snip
I was wrong about the numbers killed in the Falklands campaign, it was actually 356 including those killed after the Argentine surrender when a Harrier pilot fired his missile during a taxi manouvre on the runway at Stanley and those SAS/SBS troops killed in the helicopter accidents on Fortuna glacier.
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If you want to be pedantic about the number, it was actually 255, according to both the following links............
to quote your second link the figure is:
It resulted in the deaths of 257 British and 649 Argentine soldiers, sailors, and airmen, and the deaths of three civilian Falkland Islander
and if you read further down, you will see it says 255 where it gives the break down of the casualties. So did you actually mean 256 and not 356?
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Quote by MidsCouple24
Every death or injury to our forces around the world and especially in Afghanistan is a tragedy that cannot be expressed,
I do sometimes wonder if just possibly one or two of the 358 were mean spirited vicious bastards who's removal from the planet is a positive boon to mankind.....if those same men/women had died in a bar fight in a garrison town would the tragedy still be inexpressible I wonder??...death in a war-zone does not equate to sainthood,martyrdom,or heroism....it's just death; dirty, nasty, messy death
Should we support them? are they doing well? No, on both accounts
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Every death or injury to our forces around the world and especially in Afghanistan is a tragedy that cannot be expressed,
I do sometimes wonder if just possibly one or two of the 358 were mean spirited vicious bastards who's removal from the planet is a positive boon to mankind.....if those same men/women had died in a bar fight in a garrison town would the tragedy still be inexpressibleI wonder??...death in a war-zone does not equate to sainthood,martyrdom,or heroism....it's just death; dirty, nasty, messy death
Should we support them? are they doing well? No, on both accounts
that would depend............. on what side you was fighting for and what religion you are
Not a lot of support for our troops here then :sad:
Are you all living your lives so richly, are you doing something ? anything for the good of your Country.
The point is how they live thier lives, no matter what they do in a bar in a garrison town, right now they are putting thier lives on the line for us, many people do, not just the armed forces, I give them respect until they prove themselves unworthy of it.
Are you all living your lives so richly, are you doing something ? anything for the good of your Country.
The point is how they live thier lives, no matter what they do in a bar in a garrison town, right now they are putting thier lives on the line for us, many people do, not just the armed forces, I give them respect until they prove themselves unworthy of it.
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Are you all living your lives so richly, are you doing something ? anything for the good of your Country.
I do exactly the same for my country as the troops in Afghanistan....I work and pay my taxes...the military presence in Afghanistan is a pointless attempt to impose a political model on a country that has historically shown little enthusiasm for it. Being shot by a representative of western democracy seems no improvement on being shot by a member of the is and always has been the right of the Afghani people to determine their own future.
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The point is how they live thier lives,
No the point is not just what you do but also your motives,the result of your actions,the morality of your actions...in fact many things come into play,simply doing as you're told doesn't rank that highly on my personal moral scale
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, right now they are putting thier lives on the line for us, many people do, not just the armed forces,
I doubt very much that many (if indeed any) joined the forces with the high moral purpose of defending their country,I know I have certainly never met a member of the forces who told me this was why they joined up (yes I do ask).My guess would be that the last soldiers who could seriously claim to be laying down their lives in defence of the British people are those that fought in WW2
So re. my previous post....should we support them? No...should the Iraqis have supported their troops in the invasions of Iran and Kuwait? or is the invasion and occupation of any country by any army for spurious reasons more worthy of condemnation ? The sad truth is that however you apportion blame some lies on the shoulders of the troops who carry out the orders....and yes they do have a choice,a difficult one, but, it is there for them to make.
Are they doing well ?...No, Al Qaeda and Muslim militancy are thriving and Osama Bin Laden is still at large....mission failed
I do believe I was wrong, the figure was 256, for this I appologise unreservedly, I do believe that I am right to support British Troops (not necessarily Government policy)
As for not joining the army to put your life on the line, many years ago that was very true, in the times of Korea, Aden and other conflicts, conscription negated the need for doing just that, in the years following those wars it was relatively peacefull and many joined the forces as a career, for trade training, education and a reliable pay packet. At the height of the Northern Ireland troubles many still joined believing they would never have to "put thier life on the line" but the wiser ones knew they might have to.
Then came the Falklands War, Bosnia, the Gulf Wars and now Afghanistan, anyone who takes the shilling thinking they are joining a peacetime army and will not be seeing active service is living in cloud cuckoo land.
I joined in the hope that I could do my job ie defend this Country, almost every member of the Battalion felt the same, I was lucky and got my wish in a number of conflicts, on each occasion my colleagues and I considered ourselves fortunate to be the units chosen for the task.
Where did the rights and wrongs of Iraq come into a discussion about Afghanistan, surely you can open your own thread to debate that.
As for not joining the army to put your life on the line, many years ago that was very true, in the times of Korea, Aden and other conflicts, conscription negated the need for doing just that, in the years following those wars it was relatively peacefull and many joined the forces as a career, for trade training, education and a reliable pay packet. At the height of the Northern Ireland troubles many still joined believing they would never have to "put thier life on the line" but the wiser ones knew they might have to.
Then came the Falklands War, Bosnia, the Gulf Wars and now Afghanistan, anyone who takes the shilling thinking they are joining a peacetime army and will not be seeing active service is living in cloud cuckoo land.
I joined in the hope that I could do my job ie defend this Country, almost every member of the Battalion felt the same, I was lucky and got my wish in a number of conflicts, on each occasion my colleagues and I considered ourselves fortunate to be the units chosen for the task.
Where did the rights and wrongs of Iraq come into a discussion about Afghanistan, surely you can open your own thread to debate that.
I don't care why we invaded Afghanistan, I don't support the invasion of Afghanistan, but our elected government chose to do it, my dissatisfaction is with them not with the soldiers who do the job they are paid to do. I support them in a difficult task in the same way I support anyone doing a difficult job here at home.
Vent your annoyance against the government who put us there and I will be right behind you but support the Taliban and thier supporters (like those who wave placards saying "kill British Soldiers" in London) and I am willing to take up arms against you.
I am not clever enough to say what is right and what is wrong when we invade countries or declare war, I don't know if we were right to carpet bomb civilians in Berlin or Dresden, to drop atomic bombs on the Japanese, to assist in the overthrowing of African leaders, to support Pohl Pott in Cambodia or any other conflict, but I support the troops who do the job.
Vent your annoyance against the government who put us there and I will be right behind you but support the Taliban and thier supporters (like those who wave placards saying "kill British Soldiers" in London) and I am willing to take up arms against you.
I am not clever enough to say what is right and what is wrong when we invade countries or declare war, I don't know if we were right to carpet bomb civilians in Berlin or Dresden, to drop atomic bombs on the Japanese, to assist in the overthrowing of African leaders, to support Pohl Pott in Cambodia or any other conflict, but I support the troops who do the job.
Yep you are correct on all points, me I live in the real world and as you say that is how it has always been and how it always will be 1600, how about BC and those that wanted the same world dominance then.
I care not for such things, there is no solution to those who want to control and use us pawns, replace one you get another, thats the real world. All I have said is that I support our troops.
To answer your question, what has the Taliban done to me, they have caused price increases in my way of life, a need for higher security in my life, they have killed my friends and shot at me, so no I don't have the fondness for them that others have, at the same time they did it other Muslims stood by my side and helped me.
I care not for such things, there is no solution to those who want to control and use us pawns, replace one you get another, thats the real world. All I have said is that I support our troops.
To answer your question, what has the Taliban done to me, they have caused price increases in my way of life, a need for higher security in my life, they have killed my friends and shot at me, so no I don't have the fondness for them that others have, at the same time they did it other Muslims stood by my side and helped me.
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Awww !! The glorification of war !!
After nearly ten years in Afghanistan, with no end in sight ......in what way exactly are our soldiers "winning" ?
I think "war of attrition" sums up the situation and you can be sure as eggs is eggs that we ain`t winning !!!
The only winners are defence contractors and suppliers.
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Yep you are correct on all points, me I live in the real world and as you say that is how it has always been and how it always will be 1600, how about BC and those that wanted the same world dominance then.
I care not for such things, there is no solution to those who want to control and use us pawns, replace one you get another, thats the real world. All I have said is that I support our troops.
Yeah, I agree, I look at the world the elites have carved for themselves and say "Mr Rothschild, is this it? Is 'this' the fucking zenith of elite human capability? Is this the unpassable apex of human potential? Really, well shove it!"
To answer your question, what has the Taliban done to me, they have caused price increases in my way of life, a need for higher security in my life, they have killed my friends and shot at me, so no I don't have the fondness for them that others have, at the same time they did it other Muslims stood by my side and helped me.
Dude, tell me how the taliban have casued anything to rise in price for you?
Also, lets assume they have caused something to rise in price, why are you not moaning about/highlighting the speculators and globalists that are responsible for inflation, of which has (over the last five years) caused massive increases in fuel and food?
Inflation, of which, will see your fuel (and food) bills rising on the order of at least 500% by 2020
Dude, when you next go to TESCO/ASDA/Whichever supermarket, take a look around.
You see all those aisles, full of THOUSANDS of food items? different brands, different food produce... meat, veg etc, yeah?
Well pal, EVERY ONE OF THEM can be traced back to no more than SIX companies that own the lot.
Huge multi nationals such as the Conagra's and Phillp Morris' of this world.
Multi BILLON dollar, mutli-industry conglomerates that own ALL the companies within them. These smaller companies, of which, then make the 'individual brands' you are duped by on the supermarket shelves. In fact, its the exact same model as the media 'big six'.
Indeed, the folks who own these food companies, are the same gang that own the oil, the media and the banks.
When you are out robbing food in 2020, will you really be blaming 'the Taliban'
LOL, come one bro, say it ain't so.
when food ,oil and papers become to expencive to buy ,do they not then become worthless
I have 4 holidays booked for the coming months, are you going to tell me that some of the costs I am paying is not for extra security and staff, more controls at the airports ?
But no I am not moaning about that or about anything they do or cause, I didn't start a debate about rights and wrongs of the government, the Muslims, the Taliban or anyone else, I merely voiced my own opinion about our troops in Afghanistan you yourself and others have tried to turn it into a political debate.
Whatever the soldiers are doing they are following orders, just like many who commited atrocities during the 2nd WW. In an ideal world they would have more choice in which orders they carry out and which they don't but right now the average British soldier does not have enough information to decide exactly which orders are good and which are bad, he probably never will have, of course they do have the right to refuse an illegal order but since what they are currently tasked with is under the orders of the Government it doesn't apply right now.
But no I am not moaning about that or about anything they do or cause, I didn't start a debate about rights and wrongs of the government, the Muslims, the Taliban or anyone else, I merely voiced my own opinion about our troops in Afghanistan you yourself and others have tried to turn it into a political debate.
Whatever the soldiers are doing they are following orders, just like many who commited atrocities during the 2nd WW. In an ideal world they would have more choice in which orders they carry out and which they don't but right now the average British soldier does not have enough information to decide exactly which orders are good and which are bad, he probably never will have, of course they do have the right to refuse an illegal order but since what they are currently tasked with is under the orders of the Government it doesn't apply right now.
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when food ,oil and papers become to expensive to buy ,do they not then become worthless
No, on the contrary.
You have to remember, this isn't about money ('they' own the banks, they print the money) it's about control.
Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control the world. - Henry Kissinger
would that be the same wise Kissinger
that quoted this sort of crap Sex God
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But no I am not moaning about that or about anything they do or cause, I didn't start a debate about rights and wrongs of the government, the Muslims, the Taliban or anyone else, I merely voiced my own opinion about our troops in Afghanistan you yourself and others have tried to turn it into a political debate.
You may not have intended to start a debate about the rights and wrongs etc. but by making an overtly political statement (and it was) on this part of the forum that is almost inevitably what you'll get,what were your intentions in making the post ?
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would that be the same wise Kissinger
No that would be the Kissinger who was Nixon's secretary of state, who was widely discredited when his dealings with the C.I.A. Came to light, and who persuaded Carter to allow the Shah of Iran to receive medical treatment in the U.S. Resulting in the hostage crisis.....that Kissinger
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dont mention the erm A damn it now they will come looking here and non of us will get through US cutoms ever again.. im outa ere 
btw some interesting reading on here .. john dude
btw some interesting reading on here .. john dude
