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I was chatting to my Sister earlier today and she was telling me about this package. Its basically to help boost the economy. I think Japan are following suit soon with same sort of thing.
My sister, hubbie and daughter all received $900 (about £400 I think) each. They can spend it on whatever they want.
Is it really helping the economy though??? Or will it just slow down the process of a recession? Will it give a false picture of what's really happening economically?
I'm hopeless at this sort of thing - but I was interested in the concept of it.
Would it work here? Do you think it would happen in the uk?
Axx
The Australian government has announced a A$42 billion (US $27 billion) stimulus package to help the economy avoid recession due to the global financial crisis. The package provides A$12.7 billion in cash payments to Australians and A$29 billion for construction and infrastructure spending. Following are details of the key items in the stimulus package:
TAX BONUS, CASH PAYMENTS: The stimulus provides for cash payments of $950 each to low and middle income workers, farmers, single income families, families with school children and to adults who return to study. More than 10.6 million Australians will receive at least one of the cash payments.
CONSTRUCTION AND INFRASTRUCTURE: Money to fund building projects at 7,500 schools, money to build 20,000 new houses for the poor, funding to provide insulation for all Australian homes and money for road projects and to build boom gates at railway crossings.
Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said the Treasury estimated the plan would boost economic growth by 0.5 percentage points in 2008-09 and -1.0 points in 2009-10, supporting up to 90,000 jobs.
They could do that here, if they stopped spending it on MP's expenses, second homes, £164 per roll of wallpaper.
All they have to do is divert money, to those that neede it.
I looked at the interest rates yesterday :shock:
even isas are producing nothing long term :shock:
what I would do with it str8 out of the bank and under my bed like all the rest of my savings :shock:
steve ( better to duck and dive buy and sell rather than a bank have your money)
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I was chatting to my Sister earlier today and she was telling me about this package. Its basically to help boost the economy. I think Japan are following suit soon with same sort of thing.
My sister, hubbie and daughter all received $900 (about £400 I think) each. They can spend it on whatever they want.
Is it really helping the economy though??? Or will it just slow down the process of a recession? Will it give a false picture of what's really happening economically?
I'm hopeless at this sort of thing - but I was interested in the concept of it.
Would it work here? Do you think it would happen in the uk?
Axx
The Australian government has announced a A$42 billion (US $27 billion) stimulus package to help the economy avoid recession due to the global financial crisis. The package provides A$12.7 billion in cash payments to Australians and A$29 billion for construction and infrastructure spending. Following are details of the key items in the stimulus package:
TAX BONUS, CASH PAYMENTS: The stimulus provides for cash payments of $950 each to low and middle income workers, farmers, single income families, families with school children and to adults who return to study. More than 10.6 million Australians will receive at least one of the cash payments.
CONSTRUCTION AND INFRASTRUCTURE: Money to fund building projects at 7,500 schools, money to build 20,000 new houses for the poor, funding to provide insulation for all Australian homes and money for road projects and to build boom gates at railway crossings.
Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said the Treasury estimated the plan would boost economic growth by 0.5 percentage points in 2008-09 and -1.0 points in 2009-10, supporting up to 90,000 jobs.

It is basically the same thing that the americans did with their 1st stimulas package.......for every person paying tax, they got back up to 1200 dollars and especially with interest rates as low as they are there is no real incentive to save it....
the part of the stimulas packages I do like are the plans are the major infrusture projects... as long as the companies getting these contracts are primarily british (I know they put the same proviso in the american package, and assume they have in the australian and japanese ones)
actually we may end up getting a version of this via the back door for a lot of people.... via the bank changes rulling when it comes thru,
if people are going to get money... and with some of the banks now being nationalised for want of a better word.. the incentive is not going to be to really fight it..... and it will give people money they didn't have, a la the stimulas
Brown could have gone down this route..... but chose the cutting VAT route instead, basically a slow drip over time rather than the one big shot into the arm approach, I think he got it wrong......... but we will see what they have planned for the budget next week.....
Fabio, I'm not sure I know enough about economics to really contribute, but just wanted to pick up on the VAT comment.
If someone gave me a lump sum of a few hundred quid, I'd probably keep it in the bank or maybe blow it on a cheap week abroad. Would either of those options help the British economy? I don't know.
What I do know about the VAT thing is however, that when I go out shopping, stuff is cheaper than it was and my money goes a bit further. Not a lot, sure - but a bit.
dunno I don't envy anyone in charge right now.
Didn't realise the US did one too Fabio - cheers. This Oz's second one in the last 6 months. First one was directed at families with children.
I agree with you on the infrastructure package - it would be great to see some areas that really need a boost to get some help. Long as it doesn't go in the MP's pockets as Sarah said.
What's the state of play with Bank Charges? Anyone know?
Nola - I watched a TV report (watchdog I think) about the VAT thing - seems a lot of shops have already done away with it. They say they have given it to the customer in other ways....

What's the state of play with Bank Charges? Anyone know?
The latest is as far as i know at the moment is the following
1st April 09. House of Lords allows banks appeal
Banks have been given permission by the House of Lords to appeal the Court of Appeal's decision that bank charges can be subject to fairness rules.
At the momemt the following is happening
It is now a case of waiting for the House of Lords hearing to take place. This could be by the end of July, but because the Lords closes for summer, if there are any delays, it may not be heard until October. Its also a case of waiting for a decision from the OFT on whether it thinks bank charges are actually unfair. It has announced it is going to look at the terms of HSBC, Lloyds TSB and Clydesdale Bank first to make the process quicker
I think a good idea would be, instead of spending billions on bailing out the greedy banks, that money should have been divided, and split between all the taxpayers.
I would have pumped my share back into the economy by buying a nice new car, a new sofa, a new tv etc..... All the shops will benefit, the economy will benefit.
If there is any left over, and am sure there would be.... I would then go on a nice family holiday and help their economy too.
Problem sorted.
As it stands though the billions already given have had no marked improvements that the average person can see. The economy is still shite, people still have no money to spend, or do not want to spend any.
I would have gratefully given them my bank account details.
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I think a good idea would be, instead of spending billions on bailing out the greedy banks, that money should have been divided, and split between all the taxpayers.
I would have pumped my share back into the economy by buying a nice new car, a new sofa, a new tv etc..... All the shops will benefit, the economy will benefit.
If there is any left over, and am sure there would be.... I would then go on a nice family holiday and help their economy too.
Problem sorted.
As it stands though the billions already given have had no marked improvements that the average person can see. The economy is still shite, people still have no money to spend, or do not want to spend any.
I would have gratefully given them my bank account details.

Well !!!
There ya go rolleyes
by the law of averages....we had to agree on something one day.
Giving the money to the banks directly was the biggest mistake ever made ...the money should have been doled out at the bottom end ...not the top.
All that has been aceived is that the criminals who caused this problem in the first place have not only got away with it, but have actually been rewarded for the way they have conned and stolen from us all.
Thing is, had the banks not been bailed out, the whole financial system would have gone into meltdown and there would be no shops left for anyone to spend their money in!! The whole commercial system would have been in ruins.
That's not to say that I agree 100% with how it was done but unfortunately it was a necessity to bail out the banks.
sticking with anais and not being diverted by other responses, the japanese did the same thing in the early nineties and the japs saved the money. whats the point of buying something this week that will be cheaper next week ? (deflation). unfortunately the general public are not educated in finance and banking. gordy decides nothing and it makes no difference what colour skirts politicians wear in a "parliamentary democracy" they all wear blue knickers. banking, or otherwise known as lending, is the lending of fictitous value (paper) at interest. mortgages are interest on interest (compound). to understand this concept (con) e mail me and i will explain but basically, the central bank, (the bank of england here) issues paper notes of credit out of thin air, the fact that the mint prints them is irelevant, and lends them to the govt, at interest to spend on whatever. the greater the money supply,(read quantatative easing) the less the value of the paper credit notes (inflation). biggest con for 300 years. the bank of england is a private bank, owned by private shareholders! read your notes ! top left hand side :- london for the govenor and company of the bank of england ! company meaning shareholders !
Quote by flower411
I think a good idea would be, instead of spending billions on bailing out the greedy banks, that money should have been divided, and split between all the taxpayers.
I would have pumped my share back into the economy by buying a nice new car, a new sofa, a new tv etc..... All the shops will benefit, the economy will benefit.
If there is any left over, and am sure there would be.... I would then go on a nice family holiday and help their economy too.
Problem sorted.
As it stands though the billions already given have had no marked improvements that the average person can see. The economy is still shite, people still have no money to spend, or do not want to spend any.
I would have gratefully given them my bank account details.

Well !!!
There ya go rolleyes
by the law of averages....we had to agree on something one day.
Giving the money to the banks directly was the biggest mistake ever made ...the money should have been doled out at the bottom end ...not the top.
All that has been aceived is that the criminals who caused this problem in the first place have not only got away with it, but have actually been rewarded for the way they have conned and stolen from us all.
A bit like this Government has done for years then.
Quote by flower411
I think a good idea would be, instead of spending billions on bailing out the greedy banks, that money should have been divided, and split between all the taxpayers.
I would have pumped my share back into the economy by buying a nice new car, a new sofa, a new tv etc..... All the shops will benefit, the economy will benefit.
If there is any left over, and am sure there would be.... I would then go on a nice family holiday and help their economy too.
Problem sorted.
As it stands though the billions already given have had no marked improvements that the average person can see. The economy is still shite, people still have no money to spend, or do not want to spend any.
I would have gratefully given them my bank account details.

Well !!!
There ya go rolleyes
by the law of averages....we had to agree on something one day.
Giving the money to the banks directly was the biggest mistake ever made ...the money should have been doled out at the bottom end ...not the top.
All that has been aceived is that the criminals who caused this problem in the first place have not only got away with it, but have actually been rewarded for the way they have conned and stolen from us all.
Oh we agree on many things.

That oughta do it wink
You have noooo idea how hard it is not to post a pic of Jason Donovan right now! lol
I don't think it would work, my daughter is at uni doing an economics degree and part of the course is to study the American stimulus and although she's not finished it yet her early findings were that people were either keeping it or paying of existing debt. For it to work they need to be spending it on "new product"..........
See sometimes I do pay attention....... :shock:
Never heard of the concept mentioned earlier of giving tax payers money to the tax payer to use instead of paying the money to those hyenas or sharks in the banking system. I think the banks that were grossly negligant in their management of risk should be decommissioned. The tax payers money should be invested in other good banks who take on the customers from the old bad banks. A big proportion of the money should go to tax payers to spend to kick start the economy - but you may not like this bit, for it to be effective it has to be spent in Britain and not on holidays abroad for economic reasons.
It is a complete pisstake that the govern't gives our hard earned cash to reckless bankers (many weaving between the restictions to get bonuses and are laughing at us) for the same people who made mistakes to do good. This world i live in i am not happy with and think it is shocking to see people get away with near murder, probably cos many politicians have some consultancy stake in the banking system and the banking lobbying campaign is bigger than you think.
When i studied economics i was told that there comes a time of natural selection. In this instance, any banks making mistakes should become extinct and a new bank with different culture, morales and diversity takes over. Nature would wipe out those bad banks but guess what, just like in the Mexico world cup 1986 hand of god incident - the government has stepped in 'hand of god' to create a false economy by bailing out bad performers. Bad performers should be replace by good performers otherwise how do we move forward. The baddies will toe the line with gov't investment for a while and then they will take advantage again and kill our economy. I think many of the bankers should go to prison. i have many friends and family out of work and the culprits move onto their next reckless project.
Sorry bout the rant but i just needed to get it out. Ta.
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.........snip.. A big proportion of the money should go to tax payers to spend to kick start the economy - but you may not like this bit, for it to be effective it has to be spent in Britain and not on holidays abroad for economic reasons.
Ta.

What would the difference be between the money being spent at UK retailers on products manufactured abroad and at UK travel agents on foreign holidays? In both instances, UK companies would recieve the initial stimulous but eventually, the money would find its way overseas.
Quote by Westgate
.........snip.. A big proportion of the money should go to tax payers to spend to kick start the economy - but you may not like this bit, for it to be effective it has to be spent in Britain and not on holidays abroad for economic reasons.
Ta.

What would the difference be between the money being spent at UK retailers on products manufactured abroad and at UK travel agents on foreign holidays? In both instances, UK companies would recieve the initial stimulous but eventually, the money would find its way overseas.
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sticking with anais and not being diverted by other responses, the japanese did the same thing in the early nineties and the japs saved the money. whats the point of buying something this week that will be cheaper next week ? (deflation). unfortunately the general public are not educated in finance and banking. gordy decides nothing and it makes no difference what colour skirts politicians wear in a "parliamentary democracy" they all wear blue knickers. banking, or otherwise known as lending, is the lending of fictitous value (paper) at interest. mortgages are interest on interest (compound). to understand this concept (con) e mail me and i will explain but basically, the central bank, (the bank of england here) issues paper notes of credit out of thin air, the fact that the mint prints them is irelevant, and lends them to the govt, at interest to spend on whatever. the greater the money supply,(read quantatative easing) the less the value of the paper credit notes (inflation). biggest con for 300 years. the bank of england is a private bank, owned by private shareholders! read your notes ! top left hand side :- london for the govenor and company of the bank of england ! company meaning shareholders !

Until my sister mentioned it to me its the first time Ive heard of this. Think I agree that a lot of people would save the money, pay debts or blow it on a holiday.
It would work better it spent locally surely....
Markz - I'm impressed! wink
Billy - cheers for the info kiss
These initiatives are basically tax payers lending themselves money to be repaid in the future.
If you think about it like that its bonkers.
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Markz - I'm impressed! wink

can I pull my trousers back up now then...... rolleyes
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Markz - I'm impressed! wink

can I pull my trousers back up now then...... rolleyes
Sorry - I wasn't laughing at you!!! I was laughing with YOU :lol2: :lol2: