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15 Jun 2009

Quote by flower411
The IRA are Catholics ....... they`ve been killing people for centuries .....it`s about time they were accepted into mainstream politics .....they have their own country after all !!

Then surely they can be in the mainstream politics of that country. If they want to be in the politics of our country they have to do the swearing in thing.
And the IRA members may attend Catholic churches but as an organisation they are simply a bunch of criminal thugs running organised crime to make money. They are not a political/religious movement nor are they freedom fighters.

15 Jun 2009

Quote by foxylady2209

The IRA are Catholics ....... they`ve been killing people for centuries .....it`s about time they were accepted into mainstream politics .....they have their own country after all !!

Then surely they can be in the mainstream politics of that country. If they want to be in the politics of our country they have to do the swearing in thing.
And the IRA members may attend Catholic churches but as an organisation they are simply a bunch of criminal thugs running organised crime to make money. They are not a political/religious movement nor are they freedom fighters.
So why all the hype about BNP members getting into mainstream politics, and nobody saying anything about two ex terrorists, who have no doubt planned and killed British soldiers and civilians?
Are they not more evil than Griffin and the other bloke, or is racism nowadays more talked about than terrorism?
Just a thought.

15 Jun 2009

Quote by kentswingers777

The IRA are Catholics ....... they`ve been killing people for centuries .....it`s about time they were accepted into mainstream politics .....they have their own country after all !!

Then surely they can be in the mainstream politics of that country. If they want to be in the politics of our country they have to do the swearing in thing.
And the IRA members may attend Catholic churches but as an organisation they are simply a bunch of criminal thugs running organised crime to make money. They are not a political/religious movement nor are they freedom fighters.
So why all the hype about BNP members getting into mainstream politics, and nobody saying anything about two ex terrorists, who have no doubt planned and killed British soldiers and civilians?
Are they not more evil than Griffin and the other bloke, or is racism nowadays more talked about than terrorism?
Just a thought.
McGuinnesss and Adams are both members of the British parliament!

15 Jun 2009

Quote by BrightonGeezer

The IRA are Catholics ....... they`ve been killing people for centuries .....it`s about time they were accepted into mainstream politics .....they have their own country after all !!

Then surely they can be in the mainstream politics of that country. If they want to be in the politics of our country they have to do the swearing in thing.
And the IRA members may attend Catholic churches but as an organisation they are simply a bunch of criminal thugs running organised crime to make money. They are not a political/religious movement nor are they freedom fighters.
So why all the hype about BNP members getting into mainstream politics, and nobody saying anything about two ex terrorists, who have no doubt planned and killed British soldiers and civilians?
Are they not more evil than Griffin and the other bloke, or is racism nowadays more talked about than terrorism?
Just a thought.
McGuinnesss and Adams are both members of the British parliament!
I somehow think not. They may have been elected to serve as such but as neither has sworn allegiance to the Sovereign, in effect they have not - indeed cannot - take their seats.
Somehow or other though, they still manage to be paid expenses confused

18 Jun 2009

My thoughts are that people are not just voting for the BNP because they are sick to death of the other party's but because they hear little bits of what the party stands for such as imigration, they think the party will sort out our imigration problems but dont actually realize how they will go about doing it.

20 Jun 2009

Quote by GnV

The IRA are Catholics ....... they`ve been killing people for centuries .....it`s about time they were accepted into mainstream politics .....they have their own country after all !!

Then surely they can be in the mainstream politics of that country. If they want to be in the politics of our country they have to do the swearing in thing.
And the IRA members may attend Catholic churches but as an organisation they are simply a bunch of criminal thugs running organised crime to make money. They are not a political/religious movement nor are they freedom fighters.
So why all the hype about BNP members getting into mainstream politics, and nobody saying anything about two ex terrorists, who have no doubt planned and killed British soldiers and civilians?
Are they not more evil than Griffin and the other bloke, or is racism nowadays more talked about than terrorism?
Just a thought.
McGuinnesss and Adams are both members of the British parliament!
I somehow think not. They may have been elected to serve as such but as neither has sworn allegiance to the Sovereign, in effect they have not - indeed cannot - take their seats.
Somehow or other though, they still manage to be paid expenses confused

Here is a link to an alphabetical list of the parasites in parliament. I notice that neither Adams or Mcguinness have included email addresses. Maybe they are scared of email bombs? I know, bad joke.

23 Jun 2009

Politics and Religion...........
the biggest causes of division & unrest,
and on that i'm outa here bolt

23 Jun 2009

Quote by Bambi
Politics and Religion...........
the biggest causes of division & unrest,
and on that i'm outa here

Well Bambi, you will not hear me argueing that point with you as you are quite right.

23 Jun 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
Politics and Religion...........
the biggest causes of division & unrest,
and on that i'm outa here

Well Bambi, you will not hear me argueing that point with you as you are quite right.
I agree too, it is addictive and divisive, not a good introduction to any possible swinging partners!
Football is another subject that can cause havoc between people who would otherwise get along just fine.

24 Jun 2009

Well it seems that the powers that be, are on the march towards doing everything possible to get the BNP.

Is this the right way to do things?

24 Jun 2009

Well I think its right to enforce existing legislation. I would have a different view if a new law was needed.

24 Jun 2009

Quote by benrums0n
Well I think its right to enforce existing legislation. I would have a different view if a new law was needed.

So would I benny.
But I wonder if those same powers that be would operate in the same way if the roles in this were reversed?
I would love to think they would but....being forever the cynic....

24 Jun 2009

Well there are exemptions in the law that allow organisations such as the Black Police Officers Association which the BNP believes protects them from action. They are of course quite wrong, relying on "common sense" rather than the law.

24 Jun 2009

Quote by benrums0n
Well there are exemptions in the law that allow organisations such as the Black Police Officers Association which the BNP believes protects them from action. They are of course quite wrong, relying on "common sense" rather than the law.

You see there is a typical example of what has gone wrong.
There should be NO " Black Police Officers Association ". That in itself is discrimitory. IF there was one for whites am sure people would be up in arms over it...maybe there is one?
It should be an Association that covers ALL police officers, regardless of colour or creed.
There are tv programmes that feature just black actors in it. Whilst I see nothing wrong in that, if the tables were turned, am sure once again people would make an issue of it.
Until we have REAL equality in this country, where the laws apply to everyone, there will be divisions, which have made the BNP, more of a power than they ever should be.

24 Jun 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
Well there are exemptions in the law that allow organisations such as the Black Police Officers Association which the BNP believes protects them from action. They are of course quite wrong, relying on "common sense" rather than the law.

You see there is a typical example of what has gone wrong.
There should be NO " Black Police Officers Association ". That in itself is discrimitory. IF there was one for whites am sure people would be up in arms over it...maybe there is one?
It should be an Association that covers ALL police officers, regardless of colour or creed.
Kent, there is no need for a white police officers association, because the vast majority of police officers are white to begin with. Their views and interests are represented at every level thanks to the simple fact they are in the majority, so naturally their views are foremost.
Black officers by contrast are under represented in the police service, a police service that was declared to be institutionally racist let's not forget in the Macpherson report, and so the very fact of their blackness means that they will face challenges within the workplace and without it that are not faced in the same way by white officers. That is the only reason for it's existence, and the BNP's claim that there is something sinister or racist about it is a nonsense.
N x x x ;)

24 Jun 2009

All these legalistic approaches are still not dealing with the issue.
The Establishment has twice before tried to silence the BNP in the courts over some moderate comments it's leader made about islam, they failed as it would have been seen as the undemocratic political harassment it was.
Gordon Brown's clunking fist or - actions will not solve people's very real concerns, which none of the three major partys took up, over the quagmire of our immigration system, until this is done, support for the BNP will grow, or if they are suppressed, worse still, an alienated public may start taking the law into their own hands.

24 Jun 2009

Kent,
Equality isn't about treating everybody the same.
In order to treat everybody fairly you often have to treat them differently.
Heres an edited strapline from the commission.
"Our job is to create a fairer Britain and a society without prejudice....."

24 Jun 2009

Quote by benrums0n
Kent,
Equality isn't about treating everybody the same.
In order to treat everybody fairly you often have to treat them differently.
Heres an edited strapline from the commission.
"Our job is to create a fairer Britain and a society without prejudice....."

Sorry Benny but my opinion on that is rubbish.
A Black coppers association is NOT needed at all. Nor is a white one. My point is that minorities seem to have the upper hand, and that is not democracy, otherwise if it was the Ulster Unionists would be in power in Parliament.
Black people that I know just want to be treated the same as their white counterparts, and by creating a divide like the Black coppers thing, just alianates them even more, which they hate.
Until we have a fair system where regardless of the colour of ones skin, determins what rights you have, or what you are allowed to do, there will be serious issues.
Can you imagine if there was a proposed white shop keepers asscociation in Bradford? It would never happen. The local council would stop it, and the crys of " racism " would be heard a hundred miles away and rightly so but.....if there was a Muslim or Black shopkeepers association, it would be allowed because to disagree with it would label you a bigoted racist. How does it not work the other way around though?

24 Jun 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
Kent,
Equality isn't about treating everybody the same.
In order to treat everybody fairly you often have to treat them differently.
Heres an edited strapline from the commission.
"Our job is to create a fairer Britain and a society without prejudice....."

Sorry Benny but my opinion on that is rubbish.
A Black coppers association is NOT needed at all. Nor is a white one. My point is that minorities seem to have the upper hand, and that is not democracy, otherwise if it was the Ulster Unionists would be in power in Parliament.
Black people that I know just want to be treated the same as their white counterparts, and by creating a divide like the Black coppers thing, just alianates them even more, which they hate.
Until we have a fair system where regardless of the colour of ones skin, determins what rights you have, or what you are allowed to do, there will be serious issues.
Can you imagine if there was a proposed white shop keepers asscociation in Bradford? It would never happen. The local council would stop it, and the crys of " racism " would be heard a hundred miles away and rightly so but.....if there was a Muslim or Black shopkeepers association, it would be allowed because to disagree with it would label you a bigoted racist. How does it not work the other way around though?
Kenty,
certain sections of society have, undeniably, been discriminated against for hundreds of years. In terms of equality they have a lot of catching up do.
Hopefully, in time organisations such as the black police officers association will have done their job and rendered themselves unnecessary.

24 Jun 2009

Quote by Witchy
Kent,
Equality isn't about treating everybody the same.
In order to treat everybody fairly you often have to treat them differently.
Heres an edited strapline from the commission.
"Our job is to create a fairer Britain and a society without prejudice....."

Sorry Benny but my opinion on that is rubbish.
A Black coppers association is NOT needed at all. Nor is a white one. My point is that minorities seem to have the upper hand, and that is not democracy, otherwise if it was the Ulster Unionists would be in power in Parliament.
Black people that I know just want to be treated the same as their white counterparts, and by creating a divide like the Black coppers thing, just alianates them even more, which they hate.
Until we have a fair system where regardless of the colour of ones skin, determins what rights you have, or what you are allowed to do, there will be serious issues.
Can you imagine if there was a proposed white shop keepers asscociation in Bradford? It would never happen. The local council would stop it, and the crys of " racism " would be heard a hundred miles away and rightly so but.....if there was a Muslim or Black shopkeepers association, it would be allowed because to disagree with it would label you a bigoted racist. How does it not work the other way around though?
Kenty,
certain sections of society have, undeniably, been discriminated against for hundreds of years. In terms of equality they have a lot of catching up do.
Hopefully, in time organisations such as the black police officers association will have done their job and rendered themselves unnecessary.
I do not understand that comment at all.
Can you clarify exactly what you mean by that please?
That seems to me that you are saying it is ok for black people to have their own seperate organisations, but white people cannot? dunno

If that is the case, no wonder the BNP are gaining seats and votes.
Forgive me if I have it wrong though.

24 Jun 2009

If the association is needed in order to help redress the balance- to put *non white officers on an equal footing with white officers- then I hope it succeeds.
Are you aware that there are no bars on the colour of it's members? It's aim is to undo the harm of hundreds of years of opression- not to create more division, but to try to span the gulf.
*Non whites still suffer discrimination in the UK. So do women- our society has been patriachal since the year dot, these things don't change overnight. The LGBT community have an uphill struggle too.
Read Nelly's post about why there's not the need for a white officers association. He's put it quite simply.
The thing is, Kenty, it's not quite as black & white (no pun intended) as you're seeing- or pretending to see. I'm never entirely sure with you.
Some people are too closed minded, or perhaps simply ignorant to see the big picture. They believe what they're fed.
With that being the case, no wonder the BNP are gaining votes.
*Not being PC about PC's (pun intended) just can't be arsed with the extra typing. lol

25 Jun 2009

My point is that minorities seem to have the upper hand, and that is not democracy, otherwise if it was the Ulster Unionists would be in power in Parliament.

Kent, I'm sorry but that is simply wrong. This idea that the minority now have the whip hand over the majority is an Enoch Powellesque fantasy. The simple fact is that real political power in this country, the kind of political muscle that can change your life at the stroke of a pen, remains almost exclusively in the hands of white, middle-class men. There is still a need for organisations that counter that imbalance in the concentration of the power, and as minorities fighting for equal rights, they sometimes have to be quite vocal about it. That is why there is sometimes the appearance that the minorities are getting things the majority are not, but that's a matter of spin, and quite wrong. The white heterosexual middle classes don't need to shout to make themselves heard in quite the same way, because their interests are already represented at the top table ((( generally speaking ))) by the fact that it's their own class, who share their values, running the show.

Until we have a fair system where regardless of the colour of ones skin, determins what rights you have, or what you are allowed to do, there will be serious issues.

Amen to that. Not there yet by a long chalk though are we? ;)
N x x x ;)

25 Jun 2009

Quote by neilinleeds
My point is that minorities seem to have the upper hand, and that is not democracy, otherwise if it was the Ulster Unionists would be in power in Parliament.

Kent, I'm sorry but that is simply wrong. This idea that the minority now have the whip hand over the majority is an Enoch Powellesque fantasy. The simple fact is that real political power in this country, the kind of political muscle that can change your life at the stroke of a pen, remains almost exclusively in the hands of white, middle-class men. There is still a need for organisations that counter that imbalance in the concentration of the power, and as minorities fighting for equal rights, they sometimes have to be quite vocal about it. That is why there is sometimes the appearance that the minorities are getting things the majority are not, but that's a matter of spin, and quite wrong. The white heterosexual middle classes don't need to shout to make themselves heard in quite the same way, because their interests are already represented at the top table ((( generally speaking ))) by the fact that it's their own class, who share their values, running the show.

Until we have a fair system where regardless of the colour of ones skin, determins what rights you have, or what you are allowed to do, there will be serious issues.

Amen to that. Not there yet by a long chalk though are we? ;)
N x x x ;)
Neil I am sorry but a good ammount of people see it exactly as that.
They see minorities being pandered too, and when people will not pander to them, they scream the race card. I work with an Indian and he sees that a lot, and I would think he is better equiped to judge that one being an Asian.
We ask ourselves why the BNP are gaining ground of sorts, and you only have to look at situations where Black or Asian people are allowed for want of a better word, to have these organisations solely for their own purpose. That is wrong.
The BNP have been told that they will have to change their policy on a whites only party, or face closure. Why is the same not applicable to a Black Police Officers Association??
There is NO difference at all there. They both want to exclude people because of their colour. I dont give a monkeys about what happened 200 years ago, this is now and here, and there is no place in this society for any group to be solely of one colour. If it is not good enough for the BNP, then it is not good enough for anyone else. But a Black Police Officers Association, in my view is as racist and bigoted as the BNP, in that it excludes people purely because of the colour of their skin.
There are no justifications at all to allow one and not the other. And we have been talking about why the BNP have two seats? Just take a look at some of the things going on, which openly discriminate against whites. Sorry but unless everyone is placed on an equal footing, then this will never change, and change it must if we are ever going to live in harmony and eradicate racism for good.

25 Jun 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
The BNP have been told that they will have to change their policy on a whites only party, or face closure. Why is the same not applicable to a Black Police Officers Association??

Quote by Witchy
If the association is needed in order to help redress the balance- to put *non white officers on an equal footing with white officers- then I hope it succeeds.
Are you aware that there are no bars on the colour of it's members? It's aim is to undo the harm of hundreds of years of opression- not to create more division, but to try to span the gulf.

Quote by National Black Police Association
Welcome to the National Black Police Association
Membership of the NBPA is open to all in policing on application There is no bar to membership based on colour.

Taken from
Kent, how many more untruths and half truths are you going to feed the forum? A little research outside of the tabloid press often presents a very different picture.

25 Jun 2009

Quote by northwest-cpl
The BNP have been told that they will have to change their policy on a whites only party, or face closure. Why is the same not applicable to a Black Police Officers Association??

Quote by Witchy
If the association is needed in order to help redress the balance- to put *non white officers on an equal footing with white officers- then I hope it succeeds.
Are you aware that there are no bars on the colour of it's members? It's aim is to undo the harm of hundreds of years of opression- not to create more division, but to try to span the gulf.

Quote by National Black Police Association
Welcome to the National Black Police Association
Membership of the NBPA is open to all in policing on application There is no bar to membership based on colour.

Taken from
Kent, how many more untruths and half truths are you going to feed the forum? A little research outside of the tabloid press often presents a very different picture.
Meaning?
Are you really saying that there are " white " members in the Black officers association then?
Reading it it seems it is for the black and Asian members, but skirt around the issue by saying it is open to all.
So IF the BNP change their stance and say it is open to all races, are you really saying that Black and Asian people will join?
For that is what they will do but....I really cannot imagine a Black or Asian person joining them....can you?
It clearly states " â€œThe NBPA will work in the interests of the UK police services and be an integral partner to ensure equitable service for all & for the Black and Minority Ethnic (BME) staff who we represent ". Should that also not say white?
Maybe I am missing something here.
Feeding the forum? Anyone for a Hamburger? wink

25 Jun 2009

Also Northwest it clearly states " The NBPA is a registered charity and is obligated to function within the legal framework of UK Legislation ".
That means it serves Black and Asian police officers, but under the law we cannot say just that.
So the BNP can adopt the same thing by stating it will operate within the law and accept all colours, but we know none will join.
You cannot say that you will not accept a certain colour or creed as that would be racist, but by calling it a Black Association, even though they say they will accept anyone, how the heck does that work? All it is doing is going within the confines of the law.

25 Jun 2009

kent your statement is quite wrong, the federation operates within the law, the BNP does not.

25 Jun 2009

Quote by benrums0n
kent your statement is quite wrong, the federation operates within the law, the BNP does not.

Obviously my point has been missed between breakfast and lunch.
So Benny IF the BNP decided to operate " within the law " and accepted anyone, even though no black person would join, are you then saying that the BNP have a right to speech and should from now on not be harrassed in anyway?
As they would be a completly lawful organisation.

25 Jun 2009

So how about MOBO then? I can understand the NPBA feeling that black officers face different challenges, but how is a black-only music award helping equality? Music of black origins has been established, accepted and enjoyed by both black and white people for decades. Why is MOBO still allowed and no MOWO? Discrimination against white music, or just against white people which is perfectly acceptable?

25 Jun 2009

Quote by SlurpySarah
So how about MOBO then? I can understand the NPBA feeling that black officers face different challenges, but how is a black-only music award helping equality? Music of black origins has been established, accepted and enjoyed by both black and white people for decades. Why is MOBO still allowed and no MOWO? Discrimination against white music, or just against white people which is perfectly acceptable?

A very good point indeed.
Just another example of why whites feel discriminated themselves at times.
What about stopping all this nonsense, and trying to create a bit of racial harmony and use things like this that includes ALL colours?
If they want to have awards for just black music then fine, but do not moan and groan if white musicians want to do the same. Which they never would because that would be racist....would'nt it?
How can racism only seem to affect one colour? Is having a black music awards not racist in it's very being?