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Quote by kentswingers777
So how about MOBO then? I can understand the NPBA feeling that black officers face different challenges, but how is a black-only music award helping equality? Music of black origins has been established, accepted and enjoyed by both black and white people for decades. Why is MOBO still allowed and no MOWO? Discrimination against white music, or just against white people which is perfectly acceptable?

A very good point indeed.
Just another example of why whites feel discriminated themselves at times.
What about stopping all this nonsense, and trying to create a bit of racial harmony and use things like this that includes ALL colours?
If they want to have awards for just black music then fine, but do not moan and groan if white musicians want to do the same. Which they never would because that would be racist....would'nt it?
How can racism only seem to affect one colour? Is having a black music awards not racist in it's very being?
Yeah, and what about that Black History Month they push in schools? Surely if they can have Black History Month, we can have White History Month too, just to be fair and non-racist and balanced and what have you, and celebrate our cultural heritage too for a change? Yes? Except of course every month in schools in Britain / Europe / The West in general is White History Month already isn't it, because the history that gets taught is the history of the victors. A.K.A. white people.
rolleyes banghead confused
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Quote by neilinleeds
So how about MOBO then? I can understand the NPBA feeling that black officers face different challenges, but how is a black-only music award helping equality? Music of black origins has been established, accepted and enjoyed by both black and white people for decades. Why is MOBO still allowed and no MOWO? Discrimination against white music, or just against white people which is perfectly acceptable?

A very good point indeed.
Just another example of why whites feel discriminated themselves at times.
What about stopping all this nonsense, and trying to create a bit of racial harmony and use things like this that includes ALL colours?
If they want to have awards for just black music then fine, but do not moan and groan if white musicians want to do the same. Which they never would because that would be racist....would'nt it?
How can racism only seem to affect one colour? Is having a black music awards not racist in it's very being?
Yeah, and what about that Black History Monththey push in schools? Surely if they can have Black History Month, we can have White History Month too, just to be fair and non-racist and balanced and what have you, and celebrate our cultural heritage too for a change? Yes? Except of course every month in schools in Britain / Europe / The West in general is White History Month already isn't it, because the history that gets taught is the history of the victors. A.K.A. white people.
rolleyes banghead confused
N x x x ;)
I don't know about much about Black History month except that it's one of those horrendous American ideas. Why focus on the colour "Black" aspect, though - shouldn't it be Ethnic History month? I have some Anglo-Chinese friends who might feel left out!
Quote by neilinleeds
So how about MOBO then? I can understand the NPBA feeling that black officers face different challenges, but how is a black-only music award helping equality? Music of black origins has been established, accepted and enjoyed by both black and white people for decades. Why is MOBO still allowed and no MOWO? Discrimination against white music, or just against white people which is perfectly acceptable?

A very good point indeed.
Just another example of why whites feel discriminated themselves at times.
What about stopping all this nonsense, and trying to create a bit of racial harmony and use things like this that includes ALL colours?
If they want to have awards for just black music then fine, but do not moan and groan if white musicians want to do the same. Which they never would because that would be racist....would'nt it?
How can racism only seem to affect one colour? Is having a black music awards not racist in it's very being?
Yeah, and what about that Black History Month they push in schools? Surely if they can have Black History Month, we can have White History Month too, just to be fair and non-racist and balanced and what have you, and celebrate our cultural heritage too for a change? Yes? Except of course every month in schools in Britain / Europe / The West in general is White History Month already isn't it, because the history that gets taught is the history of the victors. A.K.A. white people.
rolleyes banghead confused
N x x x ;)
If only that was the case.
Answer a question and tell me why we have a black music awards? Why a black this or a black that?
All I am saying is that I have no problem with that at all, what I do have a problem with, is that if people were asking for a white this and a white that, they would be " racists ", yet that word racist only seems to go one way. I have never seen or heard anyone other than a white person being labelled a racist....A strange one that.
Whether you like it or not, they are just some of the reasons " white people " are turning away from the mainstream parties and voting for the BNP.
As for the :banghead: caption, it is bloody frustrating trying to get ya point across. I feel it all the time m8. wink
Great Britain is suffering from the fact that it's
population now realizes that 'it was fed a lie' & now the truth is being 'vomited up'
.
They myth is or was that 'our little island' is in some manner better than other nations.
The fact was that this at one time was true but due to Colonialism. Take from others but don't give nothing back & how Britain was great at this.
So it's population in Britain sooo believed this & then told their Children etc etc....
Until it the whole truth about The British Empire was forgotten & replaced by 'Zulu', Starring Micheal Caine (every Easter Bank Holiday Monday) on the Television Set.
I continue....
Now... our wonderful nation that was built on 19th Century foundations is going under, becoming soon a 'Health & Safety Hazard'.
Nations that Great Britain played the game & beat on regular occasions are or soon will be teaching us a new 21st Century version update of the game.
A Warning...
This game will be played with new rules that are fluid & complex based in something known as 'the production & creation of Information Technology'.
Am afraid, the only 'Chips', Great Britain knows about are with either a Steak & Kidney Pie or some nice Haddock. :shock:
Part 3 is next....
Quote by Wunderhorse
Part 3 is next....

Cant wait rolleyes
So because of this new International FAST Internet 21st Century... where a nation like America can vote a Blackman who's name has origins in Islam, as President.
Yet, the same fella is a Christian... :!: confused:
Therefore, Britain doesn't feel or seen by the rest of nations as being 'Great'.
So people go to the British National Party for answers to worries & scapegoat's to find.
Those people that are unlucky are non-White British people. Supporters of the
B.N.P forget whom the real villains are...
them Billionaires whom hide vast amounts of £ instead of giving it over in Tax, which inturn could create much needed Social Housing.
Lot's of these Billionaires & major largely unknown City of London Merchant types of stuff are unkown yet are theee major players.
Isn't it whoever has thee £ has the power :?:
So people vote B.N.P looking for simple answers to questions, sooo complex it's taken me years to place them in the form that your reading.
They blame 'dem illegals from Bosinswanh-raaa-deelia', instead of maybe taking advantage of a gem of this nation... Education (*in the Further Education method).
They could learn to ask questions maybe read some quality newspapers (*The Daily Mail & The Guardian) rather than...
The Daily Jordan (a.k.a we say that we dislike her but you would give her one... coupons on Page 19).
Note: * Do NOT let me start on Thee British University System, as that's a bigger myth than 'The Lock Ness Monster'. How can you have a 2:1 & be working at a Supermarket?
Pt. 5.... next next next... :P
Quote by Steve

Part 3 is next....

Cant wait rolleyes
You're usually more patient Steve :lol2:
*... yeah The Daily Mail & The Guardian
If you read both on the same day you can sort of get 'both side of the argument'.
Now after that being sorted...
To be a successful business you must produce something people need either out of necessity or desire. The nations of the world are types of business whom are producing various types of products hence they are in competition.
The creator of the i-pod mentioned the reason he left Britain & moved to America (with his i-pod idea). Was due to the petty small natured jealous mind-set of the Great Britain.
Steven Fry for once was simply speechless in agreement (was on a BBC TV Documentary, eariler this year).
If our own inventors are leaving us, then what hope have we got left... confused
Quote by Wunderhorse
*... yeah The Daily Mail & The Guardian
If you read both on the same day you can sort of get 'both side of the argument'.
Now after that being sorted...
To be a successful business you must produce something people need either out of necessity or desire. The nations of the world are types of business whom are producing various types of products hence they are in competition.
The creator of the i-pod mentioned the reason he left Britain & moved to America (with his i-pod idea). Was due to the petty small natured jealous mind-set of the Great Britain.
Steven Fry for once was simply speechless in agreement (was on a BBC TV Documentary, eariler this year).
If our own inventors are leaving us, then what hope have we got left... confused

Well, there's not much faith about so perhaps only charity :sad:
I predict people will vote for the B.N.P, as they will lose all hope in the Political System.
Thus, the B.N.P will (& I hate to say this) become a major Political Force in Great Britain.
As our economy will be taken over by nations in the next 25 years such as Brazil & Nigeria... :shock: biggrin
This will servery hurt the ego of a large percentage of White Britain. As these nations are very eager to give pay-back or revenge to America & the U.K.. confused sad
Then our nation will go further into the myth.. retreating into it's past deleting all non-White peoples. Sort of how North Korea or Burma, isolate themselves currently from the International Community.
Britain will have new Bank Holiday's (*funny how the economy will be on 14th Century levels) celebrating St. George & Queen Victoria.
Wunder.....you should be in politics or keep shining your crystal ball. wink
Your predictions are of course your opinion but.....even though I detest a lot of what this once great country has become, it is still one of the best places to be on the planet.
The mighty Americans are sick to their stomachs in envy. We have history, years of it. It is the politicians that have destroyed this countrys ideals and it's fundamentals.
Maybe not GREAT britain anymore but, still a place where millions throughout the world envy and would rather be.
Quote by kentswingers777
Maybe not GREAT britain anymore but, still a place where millions throughout the world envy and would rather be.

Would that be part of the reasoning behind people choosing to be here knowing they are free to wear cultural items such as burqahs?
For a head-up's on the upcoming doom, please remember the following two points:
1. When Foreign Footballers / Managers leaving the Premier League.
The will use the excuse that they want 'a new challenge' or they are fed up with 'the aggressive style of play that causes them injuries'.
Yet the real reasons will be...
High Rate of Tax on their Multi Million Pound Salary's.
Worry of being targets of Burglary / Blackmail / Mugging & Kidnapping due growing economic poverty
in England. That shall increase dramatically.. :!:
Quote by Wunderhorse
For a head-up's on the upcoming doom, please remember the following two points:
1. When Foreign Footballers / Managers leaving the Premier League.
The will use the excuse that they want 'a new challenge' or they are fed up with 'the aggressive style of play that causes them injuries'.
Yet the real reasons will be...
High Rate of Tax on their Multi Million Pound Salary's.
Worry of being targets of Burglary / Blackmail / Mugging & Kidnapping due growing economic poverty
in England.

And of course........That doesn't happen anywhere else in the world does it confused
2. Established British 'Celebrities' leaving to 'break new markets'.
Established British 'Celebrities' saying they need to break new markets, as 'they done Britain'.
Looking to get into the Movies, yet...
the majority of these ARE no-marks with absolutely no talent. Products of a very small island with an even smaller mentality.
I use as evidence; the following exhibits:

Yet what it will be is...
They are leaving the ship before it sinks & taking their emergency boats to sunny Dubai, L.A, Australia & Barbados.
Therefore....
So it is nothing to do with looking to tap into the (for instance) American market, with a population of 250m, and become a world 'celebrity' as opposed to just being known here in the UK?
When these two things occur make sure to sell everything & leave.
Maybe learn a language & get some of that Further Education knowledge.
That's why in September, am learning Computers & either the German or French Language.
Get ready for the storm, unlike Micheal Fish I've predicted this for you. cool
Peace to all Swingers.
How many moons are there on your planet ?
Quote by Steve
How many moons are there on your planet ?

Rather than ask me.. why don't you ask Gordon Brown :idea:
For all my far-out theories, I make more logic than him. :shock: confused
Quote by kentswingers777
Meaning?
Are you really saying that there are " white " members in the Black officers association then?
Reading it it seems it is for the black and Asian members, but skirt around the issue by saying it is open to all.
So IF the BNP change their stance and say it is open to all races, are you really saying that Black and Asian people will join?
For that is what they will do but....I really cannot imagine a Black or Asian person joining them....can you?
It clearly states " “The NBPA will work in the interests of the UK police services and be an integral partner to ensure equitable service for all & for the Black and Minority Ethnic (BME) staff who we represent ". Should that also not say white?
Maybe I am missing something here.
Feeding the forum? Anyone for a Hamburger? wink

You stated that the NBPA is not open to whites, yet it quite clearly is. Whether any white officers wish to join, or have joined, is completely immaterial. The association is keeping within the law. The BNP however refuse admission to non-caucasian people on the grounds of their race, which could well be illegal and certainly should be tested in the courts.
If you think that no black or asian person would join the BNP then you are naïve. They would do it in the same way that environmental groups become shareholders of large businesses to give them a voice at AGM's - the publicity would be tremendous. It's called ‘entryism’ and is a well established feature of political life - how did Militant get control of local Labour parties?
I don’t think you are missing anything, I think you know exactly what you are doing.
Quote by essex34m

Maybe not GREAT britain anymore but, still a place where millions throughout the world envy and would rather be.

Would that be part of the reasoning behind people choosing to be here knowing they are free to wear cultural items such as burqahs?
Maybe but....I think the benefit system is a better reason. bolt
Quote by northwest-cpl

Meaning?
Are you really saying that there are " white " members in the Black officers association then?
Reading it it seems it is for the black and Asian members, but skirt around the issue by saying it is open to all.
So IF the BNP change their stance and say it is open to all races, are you really saying that Black and Asian people will join?
For that is what they will do but....I really cannot imagine a Black or Asian person joining them....can you?
It clearly states " “The NBPA will work in the interests of the UK police services and be an integral partner to ensure equitable service for all & for the Black and Minority Ethnic (BME) staff who we represent ". Should that also not say white?
Maybe I am missing something here.
Feeding the forum? Anyone for a Hamburger? wink

You stated that the NBPA is not open to whites, yet it quite clearly is. Whether any white officers wish to join, or have joined, is completely immaterial. The association is keeping within the law. The BNP however refuse admission to non-caucasian people on the grounds of their race, which could well be illegal and certainly should be tested in the courts.
If you think that no black or asian person would join the BNP then you are naïve. They would do it in the same way that environmental groups become shareholders of large businesses to give them a voice at AGM's - the publicity would be tremendous. It's called ‘entryism’ and is a well established feature of political life - how did Militant get control of local Labour parties?
I don’t think you are missing anything, I think you know exactly what you are doing.
Here's my prediction...
The BNP will change it's rules and allow people of other than white colour to join. They will go totally mainstream and get millions of pounds plus more political power, then change back.
There are many even more right wing groups represented in the EU parliament. Whatever the French NF have done to avoid the law in Europe the BNP will do similar.
There is no point in the government changing laws it cannot enforce, and they signed us up to the Maastricht Treaty so it will be down to the European courts.
Quote by kentswingers777
The BNP have been told that they will have to change their policy on a whites only party, or face closure. Why is the same not applicable to a Black Police Officers Association??

Quote by Witchy
If the association is needed in order to help redress the balance- to put *non white officers on an equal footing with white officers- then I hope it succeeds.
Are you aware that there are no bars on the colour of it's members? It's aim is to undo the harm of hundreds of years of opression- not to create more division, but to try to span the gulf.

Quote by National Black Police Association
Welcome to the National Black Police Association
Membership of the NBPA is open to all in policing on application There is no bar to membership based on colour.

Taken from
Kent, how many more untruths and half truths are you going to feed the forum? A little research outside of the tabloid press often presents a very different picture.
Meaning?
Are you really saying that there are " white " members in the Black officers association then?
Reading it it seems it is for the black and Asian members, but skirt around the issue by saying it is open to all.
So IF the BNP change their stance and say it is open to all races, are you really saying that Black and Asian people will join?
For that is what they will do but....I really cannot imagine a Black or Asian person joining them....can you?
It clearly states " “The NBPA will work in the interests of the UK police services and be an integral partner to ensure equitable service for all & for the Black and Minority Ethnic (BME) staff who we represent ". Should that also not say white?
Maybe I am missing something here.
Feeding the forum? Anyone for a Hamburger? wink
Kentykins-
Equitable. Equal to. The same as.
Equal to whom? The green officers? The purple officers with yellow patches? No- the white officers.
I quite like " kentykins
"
Has a certain ring to it......don't you think? cool
Quote by kentswingers777
I quite like " kentykins
"
Has a certain ring to it......don't you think? cool

Yes-Kentykins has a ring to it. As does an arsehole.
Quote by Witchy
I quite like " kentykins
"
Has a certain ring to it......don't you think? cool

Yes-Kentykins has a ring to it. As does an arsehole.
So does a doughnut, or a polo mint. wink
Quote by Witchy
I quite like " kentykins
"
Has a certain ring to it......don't you think? cool

Yes-Kentykins has a ring to it. As does an arsehole.
My arsehole is tuned to F#