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Quote by kentswingers777
They all fall under the same umbrella............the complete load of bollox schooling.
Plus funny how the local councils are always involved somewhere down the line.
The laws are always a load of bollox until you need them.
When laws are introduced they require someone to enforce them. Who would you suggest Nurses? Teachers? Dentists? Posties? Shopworkers?
Sometimes I do despair with your logic Kenny. Who else would you think enforces the environmental laws?
Dave_Notts
Quote by Dave__Notts
They all fall under the same umbrella............the complete load of bollox schooling.
Plus funny how the local councils are always involved somewhere down the line.
The laws are always a load of bollox until you need them.
When laws are introduced they require someone to enforce them. Who would you suggest Nurses? Teachers? Dentists? Posties? Shopworkers?
Sometimes I do despair with your logic Kenny. Who else would you think enforces the environmental laws?
Dave_Notts
Exactly the same kind of tossers that hide behind other cars, to then pounce and give you a ticket.....those kinds of people.
As somebody once told me.....it takes a certain kind of person to do that kind of job.....
Quote by kentswingers777
They all fall under the same umbrella............the complete load of bollox schooling.
Plus funny how the local councils are always involved somewhere down the line.
The laws are always a load of bollox until you need them.
When laws are introduced they require someone to enforce them. Who would you suggest Nurses? Teachers? Dentists? Posties? Shopworkers?
Sometimes I do despair with your logic Kenny. Who else would you think enforces the environmental laws?
Dave_Notts
Exactly the same kind of tossers that hide behind other cars, to then pounce and give you a ticket.....those kinds of people.
As somebody once told me.....it takes a certain kind of person to do that kind of job.....
I see that having an adult conversation with you is impossible without you refering to obscenities to try to drive an argument that you cannot support. I'll leave you to your rants and join any other thread where a reasonable debate can occur. Enjoy yourself
Dave_Notts
Quote by Dave__Notts
They all fall under the same umbrella............the complete load of bollox schooling.
Plus funny how the local councils are always involved somewhere down the line.
The laws are always a load of bollox until you need them.
When laws are introduced they require someone to enforce them. Who would you suggest Nurses? Teachers? Dentists? Posties? Shopworkers?
Sometimes I do despair with your logic Kenny. Who else would you think enforces the environmental laws?
Dave_Notts
Actually Dave, that's precisely what the last Government was introducing.. getting people like posties to "rat" on their fellow man. The smoking ban; council employees paid to tell tales to their masters for a fee. It went on. The nation was being turned into one populated by people "ratting" on each other!
Quote by GnV
Actually Dave, that's precisely what the last Government was introducing.. getting people like posties to "rat" on their fellow man. The smoking ban; council employees paid to tell tales to their masters for a fee. It went on. The nation was being turned into one populated by people "ratting" on each other!
I am not sure about that. I certainly haven't heard of it from people I know working in a LA now.
As for the smoking ban, the official line was to not issue fixed penalty notices or undertake prosecutions except on those who were so hardline then there was no alternative. That's why so many people had an informal letter telling them to cease smoking. Under the legislation it is a penalty notice or court..........so a softly softly approach was introduced. Now it is self regulating and there is hardly any enforcement of it at all.
Dave_Notts
Quote by kentswingers777
Exactly the same kind of tossers that hide behind other cars, to then pounce and give you a ticket.....those kinds of people.
As somebody once told me.....it takes a certain kind of person to do that kind of job.....
Perhaps you would prefer them not to have a job and sit at home all day, have "zillions" of kids and claim benefits? Oh no, you're not in favour of that either...
Laws are introduced because something stimulates a demand for them.
Parking enforcement happens because local people complain to their local council that drivers are parking on pavements, blocking access, abusing restrictions etc. So instead of ignoring them, the council tries to do something about it. There has to be a deterrent - and the deterrent is being caught. Cue a big kick off from Joe Public outraged that the law is being enforced. It's dead simple - if you don't want to run the risk of getting a ticket, make sure you park legally. And if you think you've been treated unfairly, take it to an independent appeal.
It's the same with environmental health legislation - every day restaurants and takeaways are closed down or have action taken against them by councils because they're putting people's health at risk. Is this a bad thing? Of course not!
People moan about litter being dropped and say there should be stiff penalties for those caught. So councils employ staff to do this, and then those caught for dropping a cigarette moan about it and grab the headlines. The fact is that litter is litter - you can't discriminate one piece of rubbish from another.
And as for health and safety, Dave from Notts is absolutely right. The problem is not the legislation - it is overcautious people misinterpreting it for fear of being sued and the media interpreting individual decisions as "health and safety gone mad". In the vast majority of cases, had they taken advice from the HSE first they would have not made that decision. And there are benefits from the legislation because deaths and injuries from accidents at work and in the home have been coming down for years, largely due to health and safety being taken more seriously. So the law is there for a good reason.
These people who you portray as busybodies doing what you believe are non jobs are actually performing a valuable public service. But obviously it doesn't seem that way if you're the person on the receiving end of the punishment.
Oh dear...........
Lunacy being the right word here. :twisted:
" A spokesman for the hospital said: 'We had an incident in September last year when someone slipped on an acorn ".
FFS............maybe they should have watched what they were treading on.
Last year in Greece on holiday there were large holes in one of the roads, I asked one of the shopkeepers what would happen in the UK, if there were holes that big left unattended.
He stated that in Greece there is not this mad compensation culture, and in Greece IF anybody was to fall into a big hole, or injured themselves, the authorities would just say you should have been looking where you was walking....sounded like common sense to me.
Lunacy being the right word here. :twisted:
" A spokesman for the hospital said: 'We had an incident in September last year when someone slipped on an acorn ".
FFS............maybe they should have watched what they were treading on.
Last year in Greece on holiday there were large holes in one of the roads, I asked one of the shopkeepers what would happen in the UK, if there were holes that big left unattended.
He stated that in Greece there is not this mad compensation culture, and in Greece IF anybody was to fall into a big hole, or injured themselves, the authorities would just say you should have been looking where you was walking....sounded like common sense to me.
Well Davey you keep believing these are isolated incidents, and if you keep saying it to yourself as you nod off to sleep, you may actually believe you are right.
Another person who got it wrong, that affects many people.
Brilliant......
But this is absolutely priceless.......
" Those of us in the business know that the issue is not Health and Safety policy but the Management of Risk. Health and Safety legislation requires that risk assessments are undertaken before a job starts. Once the possible risks have been identified, an executive judgement should be made on the likelihood of any of those risks occurring and how to manage those risks. The outcome of a risk assessment is not supposed to be to eliminate all risks, no matter how unlikely ".
An executive judgement ffs............laughable!!
Priceless crap......priceless.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
In fact I am laughing so much, I think I have just wet me boxers.
Another person who got it wrong, that affects many people.
Brilliant......
But this is absolutely priceless.......
" Those of us in the business know that the issue is not Health and Safety policy but the Management of Risk. Health and Safety legislation requires that risk assessments are undertaken before a job starts. Once the possible risks have been identified, an executive judgement should be made on the likelihood of any of those risks occurring and how to manage those risks. The outcome of a risk assessment is not supposed to be to eliminate all risks, no matter how unlikely ".
An executive judgement ffs............laughable!!
Priceless crap......priceless.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:In fact I am laughing so much, I think I have just wet me boxers.
I am sorry that you can not see the difference between law and rambling. You'll just have to live with your mistakes and keep posting up stories that have nothing to do with the law.
Risk assessment and the requirement to undertake one is when a significant risk has been identified by the employer. Significant, is what you, the papers and those that blame the law can't get your heads around. I am sorry that you cannot comprehend this.....but I can clearly see your mistakes in this.
Just keep posting the links as it does make me giggle
Dave_Notts
Risk assessment and the requirement to undertake one is when a significant risk has been identified by the employer. Significant, is what you, the papers and those that blame the law can't get your heads around. I am sorry that you cannot comprehend this.....but I can clearly see your mistakes in this.
Just keep posting the links as it does make me giggle
Dave_Notts
This is something I am sure you are more than familiar with Davey...
The front page made me laugh...
Working at height - basic...........
Working at height – advanced.........
Priceless. I would like to know what is so different....the price for the course I bet as two is always better than one where costs are concerned.
Also I am sure some people might like to have a chuckle themselves at some of the bollox on here.
In it it states...
" Employers must assess the risks associated with slips, trips and falls and take measures that will ensure people can move about the workplace safely ".
People here should really read this nonsense as nutty nanny state UK is here to get you...
Priceless rubbish and to think they pay these people huge amounts of money too.
I am sure most people know most of this rubbish already....assess the risk so people can walk about safely ffs?
I will let others look at this site and some of the made assessments they want idiots to carry out.
I really do not know how we ever did without these people....how did anyone ever survive in the workplace? Amazingly people did.
" No manual handling activity is completely safe but using the HSE manual handling assessment charts (see below) as part of a well thought out risk assessment, will reduce the risks from manual handling activities ".
WTF ???? I bet that is a right bundle of laughs to read that one.
Absolute and utter nonsense.
The front page made me laugh...
Working at height - basic...........
Working at height – advanced.........
Priceless. I would like to know what is so different....the price for the course I bet as two is always better than one where costs are concerned.
Also I am sure some people might like to have a chuckle themselves at some of the bollox on here.
In it it states...
" Employers must assess the risks associated with slips, trips and falls and take measures that will ensure people can move about the workplace safely ".
People here should really read this nonsense as nutty nanny state UK is here to get you...
Priceless rubbish and to think they pay these people huge amounts of money too.
I am sure most people know most of this rubbish already....assess the risk so people can walk about safely ffs?
I will let others look at this site and some of the made assessments they want idiots to carry out.
I really do not know how we ever did without these people....how did anyone ever survive in the workplace? Amazingly people did.
" No manual handling activity is completely safe but using the HSE manual handling assessment charts (see below) as part of a well thought out risk assessment, will reduce the risks from manual handling activities ".
WTF ???? I bet that is a right bundle of laughs to read that one.
Absolute and utter nonsense.
Once again Kenny. I am sorry that you cannot understand simple pieces of information that will ensure that a duty holder has to put in place minimum standards. It is ever so basic stuff that people have to put in place, and it is even explained in simple terms in any guidance or info sheet issued by the HSE (not the private firm that you have linked). Perhaps the HSE need to simplify it more for you then 
. If you need help to identify HSE guidance and not a private company then give me a shout and I will point you in the right direction.
Dave_Notts
. If you need help to identify HSE guidance and not a private company then give me a shout and I will point you in the right direction.Dave_Notts
No thanks Davey, but thanks for your concern.
I will leave it for now as I am about as interested in it, as I would be in watching one of my cats have a dump.
As an afterthought though......I wonder how many " PRIVATE " companies there are out there, who use this bollox.
Utter tripe.
I will let others judge the madness in the links I supplied.....it is there clear and in black and white, whatever other picture you may want to paint.
I will leave it for now as I am about as interested in it, as I would be in watching one of my cats have a dump.
As an afterthought though......I wonder how many " PRIVATE " companies there are out there, who use this bollox.
Utter tripe.
I will let others judge the madness in the links I supplied.....it is there clear and in black and white, whatever other picture you may want to paint.
Yep, a private company. Do I need to explain what a private company is in business for? Surely you must know this if you say you run one
I am sorry that you seem not to understand this either.
The whole crux of the subject is you have said H&S is crap and useless. This all started 6+ months ago when you said they should get rid of it. I asked can you tell me which regulations/laws should be removed............and since then you have posted lots of different links and not one piece of legislation that should be removed and why. Since you can't, I hope you enjoy watching your cat have a dump...........night night
Dave_Notts
I am sorry that you seem not to understand this either.
The whole crux of the subject is you have said H&S is crap and useless. This all started 6+ months ago when you said they should get rid of it. I asked can you tell me which regulations/laws should be removed............and since then you have posted lots of different links and not one piece of legislation that should be removed and why. Since you can't, I hope you enjoy watching your cat have a dump...........night night
Dave_Notts
Quote by Davey
Yep, a private company. Do I need to explain what a private company is in business for? Surely you must know this if you say you run one
Being a smart arse Davey does you no favours.
Quote by Dave__Notts
I am sorry that you seem not to understand this either.
I understand perfectly...it is your arguments I fail to understand!
Quote by Davey
The whole crux of the subject is you have said H&S is crap and useless. This all started 6+ months ago when you said they should get rid of it. I asked can you tell me which regulations/laws should be removed............and since then you have posted lots of different links and not one piece of legislation that should be removed and why. Since you can't, I hope you enjoy watching your cat have a dump...........night night
In particular the risk assessment and policy template.
There are so many issues with this web site, that it makes patronising an art form.
Another part of H and S which is a load of crap....
Plan, deliver,monitor and review. FFS
:lol: You obviously have your own agendas, but I having less than five employees, do not have to take a lot of this shite on board....lucky me.
Health and safety and the compensation culture have taken being an idiot to a new level in the UK.
An excellent example of hopefully common sense returned..
" Moves to curb 'ambulance-chasing' personal injury lawyers and clamp down on over-zealous health and safety officersare outlined in a Tory review ".
Cannot come quick enough. Seems I am not the only one who thinks they are over the top, and will now be curtailed.
Quote by Kenny
The whole crux of the subject is you have said H&S is crap and useless. This all started 6+ months ago when you said they should get rid of it. I asked can you tell me which regulations/laws should be removed............and since then you have posted lots of different links and not one piece of legislation that should be removed and why. Since you can't, I hope you enjoy watching your cat have a dump...........night night
In particular the risk assessment and policy template.
Ahhhhh I get it now. You think that the phrase "so far as is reasonably practicable" that has sat as the foundation of UK H&S law is wrong.
In simple terms for you Kenny as I see that you are finding this hard to grasp......
A business who creates a foreseeable, significant risk has the duty to look at it and decide is there anything they can do to reduce that risk after looking at their own industry standards.
Now if a machine needs a top guard and the person responsible needs to put that guard on, and their own industry has decided this is the minimum standard then that is what they have to do and they reach the minimum standard of so far as is reasonably practicable. Not to do so would leave the duty holder open to civil/criminal action.
So to put the onus on the person whose machine it is is a sensible idea. You obviously do not think so, and thats where we differ. You think those that ask for the guards to be put on as tossers, I think those that do not put them on as tossers.
Quote by Kenny
An excellent example of hopefully common sense returned.
" Moves to curb 'ambulance-chasing' personal injury lawyers and clamp down on over-zealous health and safety officers are outlined in a Tory review ".
Cannot come quick enough. Seems I am not the only one who thinks they are over the top, and will now be curtailed.
Another sound bite politician that has reported on newspaper headlines. I have read his report and not one piece of legislation has he recommended to dispose of. Can you show me one? I can't see any. You will find that all these fetes, events that have been cancelled have not been stopped by the LA as they have no power to stop them.
A bit of a clue Kenny, Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974. If there is no work activity then the act does not apply. These people cancel because of a number of reasons then look for a scapegoat.......instead of having the bollocks to admit they couldn't be arsed to do it properly.
Dave_Notts
Your a trier Davey..............your certainly trying all right.
I think our conversations warrant that you do a risk assessment on them....well cannot be too cautious now can you???
Further correspondence will cease until such a assessment has been obtained, and all relevant risks removed.
Then a policy template will have to be made, to write down the risk assessment of our conversations.
Then a person will have to be elected to be the chairman of the said risk assessment, and then another who will oversea the policy template.
Then when all that has been put into place, we can then without any risks involved, continue our conversation.
Unless there are other risks lurking around the corner, that we are as yet unaware of.
Oh and btw.....watch the acorns eh matey? :twisted:
I think our conversations warrant that you do a risk assessment on them....well cannot be too cautious now can you???
Further correspondence will cease until such a assessment has been obtained, and all relevant risks removed.
Then a policy template will have to be made, to write down the risk assessment of our conversations.
Then a person will have to be elected to be the chairman of the said risk assessment, and then another who will oversea the policy template.
Then when all that has been put into place, we can then without any risks involved, continue our conversation.
Unless there are other risks lurking around the corner, that we are as yet unaware of.
Oh and btw.....watch the acorns eh matey? :twisted:
Quote by GnV
All those Quango's being chopped....
Lovely :thumbup:
Sounds good in theory GnV but will the workforce and roles be incororated into where they originally came from?
Take the HPA for example. They came from the NHS and formed the HPA to make it more central. Now they'll get rid of the quango but the roles are still required so the NHS will have them back again.
In theory it sounds good, in practise it may not be. So at present you have one CCDC in a HPA that covers a whole geographical area. Now if that role reverts back to the NHS then each area the NHS covers will require a CCDC. This doesn't look like job reduction in my eyes but increasing the jobs and having duplication.
At least it looks good on paper but I do hope the people who put these changes in are not pulling the wool over the eyes of the tax payer when they could be costing us more in the long run.
Dave_Notts
Quote by kentswingers777
Your a trier Davey..............your certainly trying all right.
I think our conversations warrant that you do a risk assessment on them....well cannot be too cautious now can you???
Further correspondence will cease until such a assessment has been obtained, and all relevant risks removed.
Then a policy template will have to be made, to write down the risk assessment of our conversations.
Then a person will have to be elected to be the chairman of the said risk assessment, and then another who will oversea the policy template.
Then when all that has been put into place, we can then without any risks involved, continue our conversation.
Unless there are other risks lurking around the corner, that we are as yet unaware of.
Oh and btw.....watch the acorns eh matey? :twisted:
I'll take that as you can now see the error in your ways :thumbup:
Dave_Notts
Quote by kentswingers777
Cos your not clever enough Davey........
you done that risk assessment yet?
You make me chuckle Kenny
. Now this is ad hominem as the points being debated cannot be answered the other poster resolves to personal statements. Just so that you are still learning off the forum and now know how to use it properly, where it wasn't used correctly before by someone else.
So if you wish to carry on debating the topic then feel free to. But after 7 pages here and a 6+ month time frame and you still haven't come up with one I take it that you have no idea.
I would amend a lot of things that are duplication or add the burden on certain sectors where it can be streamlined.
Dave_Notts
