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It's quite simple really. It's an annoying little habit of mine which I just can't seem to shrug off
yes the brits who bid farewell and go to france, seem to agree. :rascal:
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Quote by the_troll
Of course because castration and spaying does reduce risk some insurance companies charge lower premiums for such dogs.
what a complete crock of misguided, misinformed troll material
dog insurance pricing is done on post codes, age and breed type no more no less
if you have any doubt phone pet plan as kc reg accredited breeders of two breeds of dogs we have considerable knowledge in this field
as pet insurance dose not cover pregnancy or any costs related please tell how spaying a dog will make its insurance cheaper ?????
we have 5 working border collies and a jack russell. none are docked and we can't see why they should be, they all work hard and seem to be able to keep thier talls under control.
the only dog we have had in the family that was docked was our old english, but that was done before we got her and purely because the kennel club said the breed looked better docked. i say "bollocks ". most docking was, and to an extent, still is being done because the kennel club has historically said "that is how the breed should look.
there is no medical reason for it. people cut thier fingers so, should we all have them cut off at birth?
the only dog we have had in the family that was docked was our old english, but that was done before we got her and purely because the kennel club said the breed looked better docked. i say "bollocks ". most docking was, and to an extent, still is being done because the kennel club has historically said "that is how the breed should look.
there is no medical reason for it. people cut thier fingers so, should we all have them cut off at birth?
Quote by Lizaleanrob
Of course because castration and spaying does reduce risk some insurance companies charge lower premiums for such dogs.
what a complete crock of misguided, misinformed troll material
dog insurance pricing is done on post codes, age and breed type no more no less
if you have any doubt phone pet plan as kc reg accredited breeders of two breeds of dogs we have considerable knowledge in this field
as pet insurance dose not cover pregnancy or any costs related please tell how spaying a dog will make its insurance cheaper ?????
If this is the case then why did petplan need to know if our dog was castrated when preparing a quote?
I would imagine that the health benefits associated with spaying would reduce premiums. One in four unspayed bitches will suffer from breast tumors and spaying virtually eliminates the risk. Also unspayed bitches are at high risk from pyometra and other uterine infections as well as cancers of the reprodructive tract.
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Quote by starlightcouple
That because peeple use them for hunting and are fine with there dog ripping another animal to pieces, but are sympathetic towards it hurting its tail in the process of that action
If my dog was to rip the rabbit to pieces, I for one would be very disappointed in my training and have to take several steps backwards in my training. In fact I would be upset if it even chased a rabbit. The dog should quarter left and right at your feet until it flushed the rabbit, at this point the dog should sit to allow for the gun to take a shot, if the shot was successful then the dog is then sent for a retrieve. The rabbit is then taken home, prepared for the table, cooked and eaten. A wonderful way to feed one family. A clip below, which I have linked to before shows a spaniel hunting as described above very clearly for you.
Quote by starlightcouple
sorry but as much as i like bluefish and his threads, he is looking at things from a country boys way of life. to a city boy like myself any form of hunting is barbaric, and i still beleeve that the docking of a dogs tail is for the practise of hunting and that entails. nothing i have read in this thread will convince me otherwise. the only sympathy i am leaning towards is the poor little dog whilst having its tail cut off.
I like you Star, and many of your threads also. Yes I am looking at things from a country boys view, difficult not too. This type of hunting is mainly to put food on the table. To remind you the dog does not have his tail cut off, only a small part of the end. I suggest this form of putting meat on the table is no more barbaric, in fact probably less barbaric than the way your meat found its way to the table.
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Quote by NEEDFORFUN
we have 5 working border collies and a jack russell. none are docked and we can't see why they should be, they all work hard and seem to be able to keep thier talls under control.
the only dog we have had in the family that was docked was our old english, but that was done before we got her and purely because the kennel club said the breed looked better docked. i say "bollocks ". most docking was, and to an extent, still is being done because the kennel club has historically said "that is how the breed should look.
there is no medical reason for it. people cut thier fingers so, should we all have them cut off at birth?
The only dog from the list above that I would imagine could need its tail docked would be the Jack Russel and only if it was intended to work underground. This kind of work is of coarse now very limited.
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Quote by Ben_Minx
I got a proof for ya. Is the insurance premium for a docked dog less than for an intact one? It isnt, therefore the risk reduction is minimal.
Still awaiting the proof Ben, I ask as I have never been aware of this, no question in my policy for docked or un-docked tail. I may be due a reduction in my premium.....
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Quote by MartnJewl
Of course because castration and spaying does reduce risk some insurance companies charge lower premiums for such dogs.
what a complete crock of misguided, misinformed troll material
dog insurance pricing is done on post codes, age and breed type no more no less
if you have any doubt phone pet plan as kc reg accredited breeders of two breeds of dogs we have considerable knowledge in this field
as pet insurance dose not cover pregnancy or any costs related please tell how spaying a dog will make its insurance cheaper ?????
If this is the case then why did petplan need to know if our dog was castrated when preparing a quote?
I would imaginethat the health benefits associated with spaying would reduce premiums. One in four unspayed bitches will suffer from breast tumors and spaying virtually eliminates the risk. Also unspayed bitches are at high risk from pyometra and other uterine infections as well as cancers of the reprodructive tract.
ring pet plan or one of the others to find out!! your insurance is based on what i said above we talk to pet plan regularly to sort out peoples dog insurance and have never been told that that spaying/neutering would bring it down, as the insurance is based on breed /post code and age
just as a footnote your dog would need to be spayed before its first season to to gain any benefit from reduced cancer risks
but many vets wont spay a dog until after its first season and many prefer it to be two seasons
but i feel you already know this
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curiously of all the dogs I met over the last weekend only one had an injured tail ... a spaniel with a docked tail
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Quote by Staggerlee_BB
curiously of all the dogs I met over the last weekend only one had an injured tail ... a spaniel with a docked tail
Curious indeed, of all the dogs I met over the weekend none had a tail injury all were docked.
This coming weekend I shall be at a working dog test, I shall probably see several 100 dogs, most with tails docked. I shall keep my eyes open for any with injury for you, and report back staggs :thumbup:
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Quote by Ben_Minx
I read today that the Countryside Alliance has called for the docking ban to be lifted if the owner or prospective owner owns a rocking chair. Make of that what you will.
Dont believe all you read in the imakeitupmail ben, particularly from such pressure groups
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Quote by GnV
Dont believe all you read in the imakeitupmail ben, particularly from such pressure groups
He has to Blue, he's their chief correspondent
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Quote by Bluefish2009
I read today that the Countryside Alliance has called for the docking ban to be lifted if the owner or prospective owner owns a rocking chair. Make of that what you will.
Dont believe all you read in the imakeitupmail ben, particularly from such pressure groups
dont forget the fact they are a right wing pressure group it makes the difference you know blue
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Quote by Bluefish2009
This type of hunting is mainly to put food on the table. To remind you the dog does not have his tail cut off, only a small part of the end. I suggest this form of putting meat on the table is no more barbaric, in fact probably less barbaric than the way your meat found its way to the table.
and at 20 quid for a leg of lamb or a decent piece of beef id rather eat a fresh killed free rabbit any day of the week
:thumbup::thumbup:
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Quote by Lizaleanrob
I read today that the Countryside Alliance has called for the docking ban to be lifted if the owner or prospective owner owns a rocking chair. Make of that what you will.
Dont believe all you read in the imakeitupmail ben, particularly from such pressure groups
dont forget the fact they are a right wing pressure group it makes the difference you know blue
Yes of coarse, I apologise for my oversight
The Mothers Union has today called for tail docking to be introduced for all domestic pets, after independently sourced research revealed that in the last ten years "Many" injuries have been caused by the tails of undocked pets whilst "None" have been caused by docked animals.
A spokesman for the British Herpetologist Convention , obviously rattled, described the move as " the beginning of the end".
This article may be of interest.
A spokesman for the British Herpetologist Convention , obviously rattled, described the move as " the beginning of the end".
This article may be of interest.
Quote by Ben_Minx
The Mothers Union has today called for tail docking to be introduced for all domestic pets, after independently sourced research revealed that in the last ten years "Many" injuries have been caused by the tails of undocked pets whilst "None" have been caused by docked animals.
A spokesman for the British Herpetologist Convention , obviously rattled, described the move as " the beginning of the end".
This article may be of interest.
thanks for that one ben an interesting article. i am sure there will also be something similar from the english version
plus April 2003 ben? that article must have taken some finding.any chance of that proof though regarding the insurance costs? i am intriged as to what it might contain. :notes:
Quote by Lizaleanrob
ring pet plan or one of the others to find out!! your insurance is based on what i said above
It would seem that neutering does reduce the cost of insuring a dog. Just used a price comparison site using our dogs details and by listing him as neutered premiums were around £5 a year cheaper, than listing him as entire.
Quote by Bluefish2009
we have 5 working border collies and a jack russell. none are docked and we can't see why they should be, they all work hard and seem to be able to keep thier talls under control.
the only dog we have had in the family that was docked was our old english, but that was done before we got her and purely because the kennel club said the breed looked better docked. i say "bollocks ". most docking was, and to an extent, still is being done because the kennel club has historically said "that is how the breed should look.
there is no medical reason for it. people cut thier fingers so, should we all have them cut off at birth?
The only dog from the list above that I would imagine could need its tail docked would be the Jack Russel and only if it was intended to work underground. This kind of work is of coarse now very limited.
not even the jack. he knows where his tail is and is inteligent enough to accomadate it when moving. as i said, docking is purely because of the kennel club. or to prevent damage during fighting. and no, dennis does not work at all. ( lazy git ) he is allowed natural instict if he likes but that is just his nature
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Quote by NEEDFORFUN
we have 5 working border collies and a jack russell. none are docked and we can't see why they should be, they all work hard and seem to be able to keep thier talls under control.
the only dog we have had in the family that was docked was our old english, but that was done before we got her and purely because the kennel club said the breed looked better docked. i say "bollocks ". most docking was, and to an extent, still is being done because the kennel club has historically said "that is how the breed should look.
there is no medical reason for it. people cut thier fingers so, should we all have them cut off at birth?
The only dog from the list above that I would imagine could need its tail docked would be the Jack Russel and only if it was intended to work underground. This kind of work is of coarse now very limited.
not even the jack. he knows where his tail is and is inteligent enough to accomadate it when moving. as i said, docking is purely because of the kennel club. or to prevent damage during fighting. and no, dennis does not work at all. ( lazy git ) he is allowed natural instict if he likes but that is just his nature
Its a dogs life
Quote by Bluefish2009
we have 5 working border collies and a jack russell. none are docked and we can't see why they should be, they all work hard and seem to be able to keep thier talls under control.
the only dog we have had in the family that was docked was our old english, but that was done before we got her and purely because the kennel club said the breed looked better docked. i say "bollocks ". most docking was, and to an extent, still is being done because the kennel club has historically said "that is how the breed should look.
there is no medical reason for it. people cut thier fingers so, should we all have them cut off at birth?
The only dog from the list above that I would imagine could need its tail docked would be the Jack Russel and only if it was intended to work underground. This kind of work is of coarse now very limited.
not even the jack. he knows where his tail is and is inteligent enough to accomadate it when moving. as i said, docking is purely because of the kennel club. or to prevent damage during fighting. and no, dennis does not work at all. ( lazy git ) he is allowed natural instict if he likes but that is just his nature
Its a dogs life
wouldn't mind it. wonder who rules the roost?
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Quote by MartnJewl
ring pet plan or one of the others to find out!! your insurance is based on what i said above
It would seem that neutering does reduce the cost of insuring a dog. Just used a price comparison site using our dogs details and by listing him as neutered premiums were around £5 a year cheaper, than listing him as entire.
did you ask why (doubt full) the risk is purely due to aggression not health
funny you dont mention spaying :small-print:
did you try the post code can be as much as a hundred pounds go figure that over a fiver
but then im sure ben will get some glee from it
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agreed ive not laughed this much in ages
lovin it :thumbup::thumbup:
lovin it :thumbup::thumbup:
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There are comments made here that bring much joy and laughter to this houshold for sure
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Quote by Bluefish2009
There are comments made here that bring much joy and laughter to this houshold for sure
that's settled then
just got an email from the basc for insurance of a gun dog through pet plan and they will knock off a tenner a year for having the tail docked on a springer
fooking funny or what
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Quote by Lizaleanrob
There are comments made here that bring much joy and laughter to this houshold for sure
that's settled then
just got an email from the basc for insurance of a gun dog through pet plan and they will knock off a tenner a year for having the tail docked on a springer
fooking funny or what
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