Is there too much red tape, I think Mr Grylls is quite correct
Chief Scout Bear Grylls says health-and-safety red tape threatens children's safety
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Bear makes some valid points
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And Bear like so many before him is talking out of his arse .....he means that insurance companies and their fear of litigation stop kids from doing things ....health and safety laws are on the whole just applied common sense
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Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me
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Quote by Bluefish2009
Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me
So if it's smoke and mirrors Blue,who do you think is trying to hide what behind them ??
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Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me
So if it's smoke and mirrors Blue,who do you think is trying to hide what behind them ??
Whether it be the unreal/imagined, threats of H & S or the fear of litigation, the effect is the same, which Bear has highlighted, good for him, we need to fight such madness.
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Quote by Bluefish2009
Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me
So if it's smoke and mirrors Blue,who do you think is trying to hide what behind them ??
Whether it be the unreal/imagined, threats of H & S or the fear of litigation, the effect is the same, which Bear has highlighted, good for him, we need to fight such madness.
Quote by common sense
Dealing with threats in the modern world
Rule 1:
Identify the threat
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Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me
So if it's smoke and mirrors Blue,who do you think is trying to hide what behind them ??
Whether it be the unreal/imagined, threats of H & S or the fear of litigation, the effect is the same, which Bear has highlighted, good for him, we need to fight such madness.
Quote by common sense
Dealing with threats in the modern world
Rule 1:
Identify the threat
Or of coarse we could sit back and do nothing while whining about those that are trying, I believe it is a past time many enjoy taking part in
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The thing is Blue I don't disagree with the idea that many aspects of the modern world have far too many of the sharp corners wrapped in cotton wool.... the problem is that you and your army of people fighting the threat are pointing your guns at the wrong people,and that solves nothing
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I suspect, given Bears heritage, and background, he knows exactly where best to point his weaponry.
If Red Tape stops this sort of thing then is it bad?
Are dangerous activities things that children should be 'introduced' to anyway? I've known too many good climbers die to think that climbing is an arena for children's education unless very tightly regulated. I would assume other dangerous sports are similar.
If a young person finds their way into the sport on their own, great - I did exactly that, but to actively encourage people who have no prior interest in that activity as some form of character building exercise is in my opinion wrong. Making sure children are kept safe in truly life threatening situations is not quite the same as banning conkers.
Are dangerous activities things that children should be 'introduced' to anyway? I've known too many good climbers die to think that climbing is an arena for children's education unless very tightly regulated. I would assume other dangerous sports are similar.
If a young person finds their way into the sport on their own, great - I did exactly that, but to actively encourage people who have no prior interest in that activity as some form of character building exercise is in my opinion wrong. Making sure children are kept safe in truly life threatening situations is not quite the same as banning conkers.
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Quote by northwest-cpl
If Red Tape stops this sort of thing then is it bad?
Are dangerous activities things that children should be 'introduced' to anyway? I've known too many good climbers die to think that climbing is an arena for children's education unless very tightly regulated. I would assume other dangerous sports are similar.
If a young person finds their way into the sport on their own, great - I did exactly that, but to actively encourage people who have no prior interest in that activity as some form of character building exercise is in my opinion wrong. Making sure children are kept safe in truly life threatening situations is not quite the same as banning conkers.
Should we perhaps also prevent children from traveling on buses? It would stop this kind of thing;
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The thing is Blue I don't disagree with the idea that many aspects of the modern world have far too many of the sharp corners wrapped in cotton wool.... the problem is that you and your army of people fighting the threat are pointing your guns at the wrong people,and that solves nothing
Totally agree. If you ever have reason to investigate the H&S at Work Act and the Webiste the H&S Executive have you will see page after page of common sense. Basically they say that you have to identify potential risks, have a policy in place to deal with them, including for instance ensuring the adults an a trip all have their mobiles with them and share numbers. It doesn't tell you that you can't play conkers or that you need stupid plastic goggles to do it. It tells you that you need to supervise the activity and be preparedf to deal with bashed knuckles and such like. They may recommend having a bottle of eye-wash on hand.
Of couse - the HSE @ Work Act os totally valid and has saved countless lives. Don't get me wrong it is a vital piece of legislation and must be adhered to. But that is about preventing people being hurt by flying metal, spinning machinery, spilled chemicals, fires, electricity that gets out of hand. It is NOT about stopping 10 year-olds skipping on the playground in case they fall and skin a knee.
The people saying "We can't do this becasue of Health and Safety" are lying. Schools, councils and others are actually saying "We are terrified of a (completely spurious) risk of being sued cos you trip over your own feet on our land and we won't pay for extra insurance so we are stopping you." It is absolutely nothing to do with anyone's Health or anyone's Safety.
Does anyone know of any case, in the UK, that was based on this stupid application of HSE law and actually got through court? I don't. Most of the ones commonly mentioned were in the US, got thrown out of court for being stupid or are totally fictional.
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If Red Tape stops this sort of thing then is it bad?
Are dangerous activities things that children should be 'introduced' to anyway? I've known too many good climbers die to think that climbing is an arena for children's education unless very tightly regulated. I would assume other dangerous sports are similar.
If a young person finds their way into the sport on their own, great - I did exactly that, but to actively encourage people who have no prior interest in that activity as some form of character building exercise is in my opinion wrong. Making sure children are kept safe in truly life threatening situations is not quite the same as banning conkers.
Should we perhaps also prevent children from traveling on buses? It would stop this kind of thing;
I think that is a rather pointless analogy but if it seems ok to you good luck.
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O.K. have it your nicely and remember the first step in problem solving is identifying the problem
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Quote by Staggerlee_BB
O.K. have it your nicely and remember the first step in problem solving is identifying the problem
I will try to remember
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Quote by northwest-cpl
If Red Tape stops this sort of thing then is it bad?
Are dangerous activities things that children should be 'introduced' to anyway? I've known too many good climbers die to think that climbing is an arena for children's education unless very tightly regulated. I would assume other dangerous sports are similar.
If a young person finds their way into the sport on their own, great - I did exactly that, but to actively encourage people who have no prior interest in that activity as some form of character building exercise is in my opinion wrong. Making sure children are kept safe in truly life threatening situations is not quite the same as banning conkers.
Should we perhaps also prevent children from traveling on buses? It would stop this kind of thing;
I think that is a rather pointless analogy but if it seems ok to you good luck.
Ok, maybe I make my point badly. My reasoning was, just because there is a danger, we must not allow this to stop those who wish follow a certain path, we all face everyday dangers, every day,
I can not talk confidently regarding climbing as I know nothing about it. But many of us in the countryside had to stand up and fight a recent attempt to curtail children's enjoyment and learning. A subject close to my heart. The Countryside successfully defended young guns by opposing a Bill that would impose a minimum age of 14 for a shotgun certificate. In a report produced by Countryside Alliance, it was shown that young people with certificates pose no threat to society, as claimed by MP Thomas Docherty. The Bill was not debated and is unlikely to be revisited this session.
But left to his own devises, Thomas Docherty, would have stopped some thing happening because of a perceived threat that he thought he could see, rather than any real threat.
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Once I found myself lost at night with no food, no shelter and it was pouring with rain - so I used a top tip from the Bear and checked into a Holiday Inn with my Amex
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