JTS. It is a fact most employers would rather pay as low a wage as possible, and that is fair enough.
British workers have priced themselves out of many markets. The construction industry is rife with foreigners who will work for much less money, music to an employers ears. Why pay a brickie £25 an hour when a Pole will do it for half that, and get the job done.
That is why so many come here, because they can afford to take the wages that Brit either will not or cannot take.
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JTS. It is a fact most employers would rather pay as low a wage as possible, and that is fair enough.
British workers have priced themselves out of many markets. The construction industry is rife with foreigners who will work for much less money, music to an employers ears. Why pay a brickie £25 an hour when a Pole will do it for half that, and get the job done.
That is why so many come here, because they can afford to take the wages that Brit either will not or cannot take.
Paragraph one and two in the same post are quite ridiculous and remind me of the Tory party line in the 1890s. See the Ragged Trousered Philanthropist.
Unfortunately many do not know, or do not understand, how to do the jobs. But they are cheap. Another "benefit" of employing them is that they do not work in the safe manner expected here....and many of them get slung off the sites they work on because of that...but there are plenty of others. It has been hypothesised that the influx of migrant workers is the reason why accident rates are going up in the building trade, after years of improvement (we're talking SERIOUS health and safety here, not pink-hanky-council-health-and-safety).
The reason why many will work for less is much simpler....they do not have the bills to pay.....ask a landlord about the run-away tenants....if you are not going to live here long, why pay the bills ?
The conservative party would love us all to live 10-to-a-house and wear cloth caps again (to doff them when we pass our betters).
The reason why many will work for less is much simpler....they do not have the bills to pay.....ask a landlord about the run-away tenants....if you are not going to live here long, why pay the bills ?
The conservative party would love us all to live 10-to-a-house and wear cloth caps again (to doff them when we pass our betters).
Orgasminator
Yes Soul your above comments are a prime example of what is wrong in this once great country of ours.
I have had a raging toothache all week culminating into a nasty infection. I visited my dentist ( NHS BTW ) and was seen for five minutes for them to give me a prescription, which they did. I got charged for that privilege and then had a to pay a further 15 quid for my two items at the chemist. That works out to and I have not even gone down the road of tooth extraction costs yet.
I pay over 300 quid EVERY month for my NHS contributions,...
It is not just the NHS...
Im just picking up on your NHS bits.. It was originally set up so the rich could pay for the poor..
Watch Michal Moores Doc called Sicko..although the NHS may not be the greatest system its not the worst and I do think even someone like you...(I know i dont know you, but i do get the impression you have a large chip on your shoulder, what that arises from i dont know so im trying not to be too judgmental)..might benefit from opening your eyes and realize that life really is not so bad here in Britain.
An example of the system in America..A guy lost the tops of two fingers whilst at work, he was left with the dilemma... tip of middle finger sewn back on..$60,000. Tip of wedding finger sewn back on $12,000.... Im glad we have the NHS and dont mind having to pay my bit...which in the great scheme of things is only a bit..cheer up ..
I have had a raging toothache all week culminating into a nasty infection. I visited my dentist ( NHS BTW ) and was seen for five minutes for them to give me a prescription, which they did. I got charged for that privilege and then had a to pay a further 15 quid for my two items at the chemist. That works out to and I have not even gone down the road of tooth extraction costs yet.
I pay over 300 quid EVERY month for my NHS contributions,...
It is not just the NHS...
Im just picking up on your NHS bits.. It was originally set up so the rich could pay for the poor..
Watch Michal Moores Doc called Sicko..although the NHS may not be the greatest system its not the worst and I do think even someone like you...(I know i dont know you, but i do get the impression you have a large chip on your shoulder, what that arises from i dont know so im trying not to be too judgmental)..might benefit from opening your eyes and realize that life really is not so bad here in Britain.
An example of the system in America..A guy lost the tops of two fingers whilst at work, he was left with the dilemma... tip of middle finger sewn back on..$60,000. Tip of wedding finger sewn back on $12,000.... Im glad we have the NHS and dont mind having to pay my bit...which in the great scheme of things is only a bit..cheer up ..
Quote by Mark_July
Yes Soul your above comments are a prime example of what is wrong in this once great country of ours.
I have had a raging toothache all week culminating into a nasty infection. I visited my dentist ( NHS BTW ) and was seen for five minutes for them to give me a prescription, which they did. I got charged for that privilege and then had a to pay a further 15 quid for my two items at the chemist. That works out to and I have not even gone down the road of tooth extraction costs yet.
I pay over 300 quid EVERY month for my NHS contributions,...
It is not just the NHS...
Im just picking up on your NHS bits.. It was originally set up so the rich could pay for the poor..
Watch Michal Moores Doc called Sicko..although the NHS may not be the greatest system its not the worst and I do think even someone like you...(I know i dont know you, but i do get the impression you have a large chip on your shoulder, what that arises from i dont know so im trying not to be too judgmental)..might benefit from opening your eyes and realize that life really is not so bad here in Britain.
An example of the system in America..A guy lost the tops of two fingers whilst at work, he was left with the dilemma... tip of middle finger sewn back on..$60,000. Tip of wedding finger sewn back on $12,000.... Im glad we have the NHS and dont mind having to pay my bit...which in the great scheme of things is only a bit..cheer up ..
Actually I have a rather large bag of chips on my shoulder. It is called having the piss taken out of me.
Yes I am fully aware of how the NHS works, and it was never intended to be a system where you take from the rich and give to the poor....this ain't Robin Hood syndrome.
Every taxpayer payes into the system and it matters not whether you are rich or poor, you are afforded " free " health care. Hence the saying when it was introduced " free health care for all ". Except it is not free is it?
What got my back up so much is that even though I contribute a large ammount each month, when I do have to use it, they want to charge me more. Two items on prescription 15 odd quid.
I pay enough into the system without being stung again, when I need to use it.
Btw.....I am always chilled.
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and to top it all, any of the said persons working in this country, while their famlies are back in there homeland, can claim child benefit DID you know that.
Yes I do not have a problem with that.
I think we should also send their Grannies money too, and their ex teachers. Fuck it lets send all our money over there and be done with it.
Actually I think that piece of genius was done by the super European Parliament. We give them billions of our money every year, for them to tell us we have to pay these peoples kids money whilst they work here....you could not make it up.
Still I bet they won't have to pay presciption charges either, oh no the likes of me have to pay for them too.
Genius pure genius.
Sex God
I think the phrase is "from each according to their means,to each according to their needs" however you cut it this sounds like the idea was/is that the better off subsidise the less well off
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A case of the needs of the needy taking priority over the greed of the greedy.
That is an easy analogy to take if you have not got a pot to piss in.
Yeah I will take everything and put nothing into the system....ever.
Luckily enough the TAXPAYER you know the people who actually work, and pay their taxes, pay for those that pay nothing.
Now I do not have a particular problem with that, as the needy should be paid for by the workers. But of course you obviously think that a worker is a greedy person, or have I got that wrong somewhere?
I am not greedy, I do not mind my money going to the needy in society IF they are indeed needy.I appreciate there are areas of society that will always need help from the state/taxpayer.
I pay every month towards a certain charity, for which I have done for years. I give to help for heroes, and pay for my poppy every year, but I also like my massive big tv and my flash car, and my nice house.
That is not greedy, I have already paid my taxes, so whatever is left I can spend on what I see fit. It is only those in society who have nothing do they begrudge people from having nice things. Maybe that is where your saying of " A case of the needs of the needy taking priority over the greed of the greedy "comes from .
: :?: Benefits are only paid to immigrant labour if they come from EU states (or Switzerland) (no, I don't know). And then only the same benefits, at the same rates, and the same qualifiers, as paid to those born within the borders of the UK. Illegal immigrants get the same as other people who do not exist (except for medical care if injured)
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Benefits are only paid to immigrant labour if they come from EU states (or Switzerland) (no, I don't know). And then only the same benefits, at the same rates, and the same qualifiers, as paid to those born within the borders of the UK. Illegal immigrants get the same as other people who do not exist (except for medical care if injured)
However if I go to live in Poland and claim benefits there I dont get the child benefit, child tax credit , income support and disability living allowance per week. That is why they come to this country as the benefits are far higher than their own country.
How can the EU state that anyone within the EU can claim benefits if they move to another EU country when all the EU countries off lower benefits. If you are working and earning less than the benefits you can claim in another country then you are going to move to that country work and claim the benefits. The rule should be if you move to another country and have to claim benefits you only get the benefits that the country you were born in offer. If this was to happen then I bet we wouldnt have the high level of unemployed and far less foreign workers.
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Benefits are only paid to immigrant labour if they come from EU states (or Switzerland) (no, I don't know). And then only the same benefits, at the same rates, and the same qualifiers, as paid to those born within the borders of the UK. Illegal immigrants get the same as other people who do not exist (except for medical care if injured)
However if I go to live in Poland and claim benefits there I dont get the child benefit, child tax credit , income support and disability living allowance per week. That is why they come to this country as the benefits are far higher than their own country.
How can the EU state that anyone within the EU can claim benefits if they move to another EU country when all the EU countries off lower benefits. If you are working and earning less than the benefits you can claim in another country then you are going to move to that country work and claim the benefits. The rule should be if you move to another country and have to claim benefits you only get the benefits that the country you were born in offer. If this was to happen then I bet we wouldnt have the high level of unemployed and far less foreign workers.
Ya cannot say things like that Soul....you will be put in the stocks and have old tomatoes thrown at you.
No immigrants come here for the benefits, there are only a handful of illegal ones, and the ones that come here work pay their taxes, and contribute to British society.
Look...........PINK PIGS over there.
I have an answer for this.
When an Asylum Seeker/migrant Worker etc claims off the state then the difference in money that they have paid in less what they have taken out is then made into an invoice and their country which they hold a passport for gets billed this amount at the end of the year.
example Migrant Worker A with his family claims state benefit to the tune of 8K a year, he pays 2K a year in NI and tax therefore his deficit is 6K, his home country gets billed 6K for him coming here (plus interest of course)
Same goes for every other migrant, whether its us brits going over to Spain/Greece etc or them coming here, If your populationuses the state services of another country then your home country picks up the bill.
Lets see how quick the poorer countries are to let their populations desert then, knowing that they have to pick up the shortfall at the end of each year.
If they fail to pay then send the bailiffs in...
When an Asylum Seeker/migrant Worker etc claims off the state then the difference in money that they have paid in less what they have taken out is then made into an invoice and their country which they hold a passport for gets billed this amount at the end of the year.
example Migrant Worker A with his family claims state benefit to the tune of 8K a year, he pays 2K a year in NI and tax therefore his deficit is 6K, his home country gets billed 6K for him coming here (plus interest of course)
Same goes for every other migrant, whether its us brits going over to Spain/Greece etc or them coming here, If your populationuses the state services of another country then your home country picks up the bill.
Lets see how quick the poorer countries are to let their populations desert then, knowing that they have to pick up the shortfall at the end of each year.
If they fail to pay then send the bailiffs in...
Very nice.
A little sense-injection needed ?
By FAR the larger proportion of "social benefits" is the state pension.
Immigrant benefits come WAY down the list.
If you want to complain about "keeping others sitting on their arses" then complain about how your tax is paid to those with low incomes who have large families (child tax credit could be worth up to It would be cheaper to pay them to NOT work....the benefits are lower !
Mind you, there is an element of childcare costs in working tax credit that it may be worth investigating !
A little sense-injection needed ?
By FAR the larger proportion of "social benefits" is the state pension.
Immigrant benefits come WAY down the list.
If you want to complain about "keeping others sitting on their arses" then complain about how your tax is paid to those with low incomes who have large families (child tax credit could be worth up to It would be cheaper to pay them to NOT work....the benefits are lower !
Mind you, there is an element of childcare costs in working tax credit that it may be worth investigating !
