Bitish jobs for British workers?

30 Jun 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Benny is like many on here...he hates success and wealth.
People who usually are like that, are like that because they could not achieve those things themselves.
Not talking about anyone in particular there.
So Benny...........are you going to give that extra ammount over the 30 grand you SAY your household earns to charity, or are you going to be a hypocrite snd keep it all??
Well it's only fair that you do...you can start the ball rolling by only having the 30 grand coming in....come on be a hero.

I would not imagine that was Ben's motives for one moment. Achieving some thing is a difficult thing to measure. I never thought I could run a successful business, yet here I am, just over a year later and in a very good position to make a reasonable living in the not so distant future. Many people who think they could not, in reality they could!

30 Jun 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
The "bloody foreigners" taking our shit jobs whinge is as old as when ug turned to og and said those bastards in cave 27 have eaten all the mammoths.
I have a solution that will double the employment opportunites, we simply limit personal earning to 30,000 pa per household. Easily done with a tax system restructure including a 95% top rate and 100% inheritance tax. What do you think?

and what job have you got in mind for yourself then ben bolt

30 Jun 2010

1 Jul 2010

:laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove:
that made me chuckle

1 Jul 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
:laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove:
that made me chuckle

Well............
If you are going to make a silly absurd comment, then at least have the balls to practice what you preach.
The silence really is deafening.

1 Jul 2010

I cease to contribute to forums threads when they start to be used as a vehicle for personal abuse.

1 Jul 2010

Ok then Benny I will be very polite.
Are you going to give away any extra money you have as a household over the 30 grand?
A simple yes or no will do.

1 Jul 2010

I already do. Futhermore I invest much of my spare time and energy in voluntary work. What I would like you and others to grasp is that my personal position and choices have no bearing on the validity of my opinions nor on my being allowed by you or any other self appointed forum guardian to express these opinions. That you are allowed to get away with these behaviours in a public forum that prides itself on not allowing intimidation or bullying beggars belief.

1 Jul 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
I already do. Futhermore I invest much of my spare time and energy in voluntary work. What I would like you and others to grasp is that my personal position and choices have no bearing on the validity of my opinions nor on my being allowed by you or any other self appointed forum guardian to express these opinions. That you are allowed to get away with these behaviours in a public forum that prides itself on not allowing intimidation or bullying beggars belief.

Will you 2 take your egos outside ...

1 Jul 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
I already do. Futhermore I invest much of my spare time and energy in voluntary work. What I would like you and others to grasp is that my personal position and choices have no bearing on the validity of my opinions nor on my being allowed by you or any other self appointed forum guardian to express these opinions. That you are allowed to get away with these behaviours in a public forum that prides itself on not allowing intimidation or bullying beggars belief.

sorry ben taken from an earler thread regards benefit

Well said Sassy.
Big criminals and little thieves.
I dont think I approve of either although Im quite happy to make sure both I and the people I know well claim all of the benefits they are entitled to.

are you telling me you get more than 30 grand a year off the benefit system and give it away dunno

1 Jul 2010

FFS is it possible to debate on these forums without snide comments.
Of course I receive benefits I have children.
Jeepers, no wonder the forum does not represent the views of the majority of swingers nor even the majority of the members of the community. When the admin team start to wonder why this is so they will be well served by thinking how some of this bullshit really does give the site a bad reputation amongst the majority of members.

1 Jul 2010

FFS is it possible to debate on these forums without snide comments.
Of course I receive benefits I have children.
Jeepers, no wonder the forum does not represent the views of the majority of swingers nor even the majority of the members of the community. When the admin team start to wonder why this is so they will be well served by thinking how some of this bullshit really does give the site a bad reputation amongst the majority of members.

1 Jul 2010

ok ben i`ll ask a different question as your not comfortable with that one
if you are saying that every one should be limited to 30k then how would some one with severely handicapped children who need probably in excess of 60k per year in benefits cope dunno

i did think this was a debate and anyone could question another persons comments /quote`s
i haven`t wrote any thing personal just interpreting your own statements

1 Jul 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
ok ben i`ll ask a different question as your not comfortable with that one
if you are saying that every one should be limited to 30k then how would some one with severely handicapped children who need probably in excess of 60k per year in benefits cope
i did think this was a debate and anyone could question another persons comments /quote`s
i haven`t wrote any thing personal just interpreting your own statements

Why is there an assumption that 'benefits' need to be paid or accounted for as cash ? why would someone with a disability or caring for the disabled need extra money if the services they require are free......just because the health service and benefits system have been bastardised into market places does not mean they have to remain so.

1 Jul 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
ok ben i`ll ask a different question as your not comfortable with that one
if you are saying that every one should be limited to 30k then how would some one with severely handicapped children who need probably in excess of 60k per year in benefits cope
i did think this was a debate and anyone could question another persons comments /quote`s
i haven`t wrote any thing personal just interpreting your own statements

Why is there an assumption that 'benefits' need to be paid or accounted for as cash ? why would someone with a disability or caring for the disabled need extra money if the services they require are free......just because the health service and benefits system have been bastardised into market places does not mean they have to remain so.
i do believe that the whole idea of 30k per household was born on the dunnee and would never want or expect anyone with serious illness to get ant less than the very best of care
ok then why should a house hold with two people have 30k to them selves and another with a family of say seven or eight get the same and struggle
the original statement was ill thought and probably posted to create a reaction which when it came it became a boo hoo im being bullied situation
sorry but many go out on a limb, risk their houses relationships every thing for what!! to better them selves, meanwhile some seem to think they have a god given right to others hard labour`s rewards . many entrepreneurs are from sink estates who want a better life for themselves and their family's who have known hard times and don't want to go back
the idea that they should just hand their money over is not only absurd but and almost a child like ideal
all that would happen in this situation would be the people with money would leave this country and leave those that need it most "destitute" or even worst just create a black market
i`d like to know who gets the big mansions and the detached 9 bed properties whilst dear old hackney sink estates would be empty not you or me i know
what about the family's that have seven kids and gets 30k and have to work when they get 40k and can`t afford to i think there would be a human right`s issue some where
who`s going to do the shit jobs when a cushy job is available
and the couples would split up so they would get 30k each and a house 3 day in this house and 4 days in that one . the whole idea of marriage has just disappeared open to so much abuse
and kids kicked out at 18 years old whole family`s all living in the same street to maximize a 30 k income etc etc etc and so on and so on :dunno:

1 Jul 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
stuff

Why is this addressed to me? it has no bearing on my question

1 Jul 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
stuff

Why is this addressed to me? it has no bearing on my question
opps sorry lee i`ll edit it redface

ops:
in answer i dont think that it should personally but im sure other`s will see it different or use the system to abuse it i`m afaid its human nature

1 Jul 2010

But what if the sink estates were not sink estates but thriving communities with functioning schools,decent health care,and no poverty .....how many more entrepreneurs how many more businesses if people were enabled by their environment and not kicked in the teeth at the whim every politician looking for a sound bite?

1 Jul 2010

But what if the sink estates were not sink estates but thriving communities with functioning schools,decent health care,and no poverty .....how many more entrepreneurs how many more businesses if people were enabled by their environment and not kicked in the teeth at the whim every politician looking for a sound bite?

1 Jul 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
stuff

Why is this addressed to me? it has no bearing on my question
opps sorry lee i`ll edit it redface

ops:
in answer i dont think that it should personally but im sure other`s will see it different or use the system to abuse it i`m afaid its human nature
No such thing, we are products of our experience not our genes

1 Jul 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
stuff

Why is this addressed to me? it has no bearing on my question
opps sorry lee i`ll edit it redface

ops:
in answer i dont think that it should personally but im sure other`s will see it different or use the system to abuse it i`m afaid its human nature
No such thing, we are products of our experience not our genes

1 Jul 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
But what if the sink estates were not sink estates but thriving communities with functioning schools,decent health care,and no poverty .....how many more entrepreneurs how many more businesses if people were enabled by their environment and not kicked in the teeth at the whim every politician looking for a sound bite?

human nature and greed dictates otherwise
not sure either how long this would take builder`s not going to work too hard as there not on a price
and the massive abuse implications ?

1 Jul 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
stuff

Why is this addressed to me? it has no bearing on my question
opps sorry lee i`ll edit it redface

ops:
in answer i dont think that it should personally but im sure other`s will see it different or use the system to abuse it i`m afaid its human nature
No such thing, we are products of our experience not our genes
That would be Human Nurture then. LOL. Sadly it seems to have the same effect overall.
There seems to result in a lot of inertia in 'getting things done' which only something as big as a war (a real one on our doorstep) can overcome.

1 Jul 2010

oops the repeat-post fairy has been at it again.

1 Jul 2010

FFS!!....whilst I'm always impressed by what I have to say...I am tiring of having to read it twice

2 Jul 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
But what if the sink estates were not sink estates but thriving communities with functioning schools,decent health care,and no poverty .....how many more entrepreneurs how many more businesses if people were enabled by their environment and not kicked in the teeth at the whim every politician looking for a sound bite?

human nature and greed dictates otherwise
not sure either how long this would take builder`s not going to work too hard as there not on a price
and the massive abuse implications ?
I'm always amused by the way greedy people use human nature to explain their greed. Not that anyone on here would do that of course.
Since I am not greedy, what does that make me? Unnatural?
There is no such thing as human nature. It's a lie.

2 Jul 2010

Quote by awayman
But what if the sink estates were not sink estates but thriving communities with functioning schools,decent health care,and no poverty .....how many more entrepreneurs how many more businesses if people were enabled by their environment and not kicked in the teeth at the whim every politician looking for a sound bite?

human nature and greed dictates otherwise
not sure either how long this would take builder`s not going to work too hard as there not on a price
and the massive abuse implications ?
I'm always amused by the way greedy people use human nature to explain their greed. Not that anyone on here would do that of course.
Since I am not greedy, what does that make me? Unnatural?
There is no such thing as human nature. It's a lie.
again your hopeless snipes are no match for a good google
as for my own greed most of what i do is for my family (someone other than my self )get a grown up to google a definition greed for you flipa

you may also wish to ask your doctor if the reason you have flat feet is because your always jumping to conclusions

2 Jul 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
Since we are simply posting google links rather than using our words to argue

i just googled chomsky is wrong
i failed to see the personal dig though.

storys of greed jealousy and the other 7 deadly sins are biblical its something we have always done kaz and im afraid we always have been the same . self destruction is a path we have been following since we left the caves
if its not human nature why do we continue to follow these traits ?

2 Jul 2010

I believe the ability for an adult to kill a child, is certainly not down to the way that person was brought up.
Who gets brought up in a way that is against every fundamental human instinct...to kill another?
I believe that human behavior is in-bred from birth....always lurking there in that persons personality.
To blame society or ones upbringing for the most hideous of crimes, is to make a feeble excuse for it.
No upbringing at all can a excuse be made, for these crimes....it is in that humans make up, and I believe it is there from the day they enter this world.

2 Jul 2010

Why then is it that those who abuse children are usually the victims of abuse themselves?why is it that people from violent backgrounds are themselves often violent?
We are the sum of our experience, nothing more....children with no parental model do not know how to be parents,children who believe violence is the norm are violent.....
The only way to prevent these things happening is for society to intervene...but that would involve all those nasty socialist taxes