funny init.
a man boards a plane in amsterdam with something explosive in his undies, accompanied by a "sharp dressed man" according to numerous other passengers, with no passport according to the f.b.i. in detroit. he was filmed throughout the journey by the "sharp dressed man" according to the passengers seated near them and when the aircraft reaches journey's end, the odd couple are escorted away while all the other passengers are bundled into a holding area with their hand luggage and held for over an hour on the pretext of a security alert. within the same day, christmas day, the press is reporting various versions of the event, culminating in the story of the explosive knickers and therefore the need for "body scanners at airports" which are already in place at most airports along with eye scanners. ever since, the press has been ranting about the british and american embassies closing in yemen due to terrorist ciaquaeder threats, connections with iranian funding, dirty rotten iranians surpressing democracy movements in iran, islamic uk march through wooton bassett, etc etc.
expect a continual ramping up of islamaphobia culminating in a big event to justify some increased military action and further erosion of civil liberty's at home to "protect our freedom". just like the dimwit trying to set fire to his shoe lace, "hot pants is a patsy".
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funny init.
a man boards a plane in amsterdam with something explosive in his undies, accompanied by a "sharp dressed man" according to numerous other passengers, with no passport according to the f.b.i. in detroit. he was filmed throughout the journey by the "sharp dressed man" according to the passengers seated near them and when the aircraft reaches journey's end, the odd couple are escorted away while all the other passengers are bundled into a holding area with their hand luggage and held for over an hour on the pretext of a security alert. within the same day, christmas day, the press is reporting various versions of the event, culminating in the story of the explosive knickers and therefore the need for "body scanners at airports" which are already in place at most airports along with eye scanners. ever since, the press has been ranting about the british and american embassies closing in yemen due to terrorist ciaquaeder threats, connections with iranian funding, dirty rotten iranians surpressing democracy movements in iran, islamic uk march through wooton bassett, etc etc.
expect a continual ramping up of islamaphobia culminating in a big event to justify some increased military action and further erosion of civil liberty's at home to "protect our freedom". just like the dimwit trying to set fire to his shoe lace, "hot pants is a patsy".
I fear you are quite correct.
The only bit that bugs me is the continual erosion of civil liberties in the name of my safety, I would rather be unsafe
Sex God
This is not so new in the late 18th century PM's were being challenged. Forces in Government called it treason and looked to suppressing the right of the individual.
They failed, only because barristers used the courts to fight government.
I find nothing wrong with scanners, but locking people up without trial. That I must object to.
travis
They failed, only because barristers used the courts to fight government.
I find nothing wrong with scanners, but locking people up without trial. That I must object to.
travis
Sex God
Rule by fear
The failed actions of one preposterous individual have led to policies that will impact on millions of people’s lives. The jihad fantasies of a wanker from UCL have led to the instantaneous institutionalisation of illiberal, privacy-obliterating measures and to dangerous war talk about one of the poorest, divided countries in the Arab world. This demonstrates what makes terrorism a powerful force today. It is not the belief systems of the alleged terrorists themselves (which are weird and wacky) or the power of the terrorists to inflict harm on individuals (which is real, but extremely limited); rather it is the fragility of contemporary society, the often-advertised vulnerability and deep feeling of insecurity of communities across the West, which gives terrorism its purchase and momentum.
In his essay ‘Why Marxists oppose individual terrorism’, Trotsky, distinguishing between purposeful political violence and the incoherent terrorist actions of anarchists, syndicalists and nihilists, argued that acts of terror in themselves are ‘absolutely harmless as far as the social system goes’. They can, however, have a disorientating impact on the social order if society is morally frail and susceptible to disarray. ‘Whether a terrorist attempt… throws the ruling class into confusion depends on the concrete political circumstances’, he argued
Thought this was a discussion about body scanners but obviously i am mistaken, its a get at the governments for trying to keep us safe thread.
Of course those of you who think there is no threat will do so until you or a family member is maimed or killed in either a bombing or chemical attack, just because the so called terrorists have not managed to do anything thank god (or allah or whoever you follow) does not mean its not happening or going to happen, there is an awful lot our security prevent or stop that we will never know about.
In the last 10 years my life has not been changed just because of cctv or better security at airports or any other measures brought in to help look after us, all its meant is that i have to arrive a little earlier at an airport and as for cctv if your not doing anything you should not be doing then whys the worry??
Body scanners are a good idea and the only people who should be complaining about them are the people with bad intentions, so what if someone sees an outline of our naked bodies or even more detail, we are all the same to look at just some bigger or smaller we were all born naked and given the chance we would all get naked either with one person or a group for recreational purposes at the click of a finger.
Of course those of you who think there is no threat will do so until you or a family member is maimed or killed in either a bombing or chemical attack, just because the so called terrorists have not managed to do anything thank god (or allah or whoever you follow) does not mean its not happening or going to happen, there is an awful lot our security prevent or stop that we will never know about.
In the last 10 years my life has not been changed just because of cctv or better security at airports or any other measures brought in to help look after us, all its meant is that i have to arrive a little earlier at an airport and as for cctv if your not doing anything you should not be doing then whys the worry??
Body scanners are a good idea and the only people who should be complaining about them are the people with bad intentions, so what if someone sees an outline of our naked bodies or even more detail, we are all the same to look at just some bigger or smaller we were all born naked and given the chance we would all get naked either with one person or a group for recreational purposes at the click of a finger.
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Thought this was a discussion about body scanners but obviously i am mistaken, its a get at the governments for trying to keep us safe thread.
Of course those of you who think there is no threat will do so until you or a family member is maimed or killed in either a bombing or chemical attack, just because the so called terrorists have not managed to do anything thank god (or allah or whoever you follow) does not mean its not happening or going to happen, there is an awful lot our security prevent or stop that we will never know about.
In the last 10 years my life has not been changed just because of cctv or better security at airports or any other measures brought in to help look after us, all its meant is that i have to arrive a little earlier at an airport and as for cctv if your not doing anything you should not be doing then whys the worry??
Body scanners are a good idea and the only people who should be complaining about them are the people with bad intentions, so what if someone sees an outline of our naked bodies or even more detail, we are all the same to look at just some bigger or smaller we were all born naked and given the chance we would all get naked either with one person or a group for recreational purposes at the click of a finger.
I think the point being made is that the full body scanner would not have detected anything untoward with "underpants man".
Knees and jerks come to mind here.
This is not about keeping us safe. There are many other more effective ways of doing that. It is about control; plain and simple.
Sex God
Quote by jumptoit
Thought this was a discussion about body scanners but obviously i am mistaken, its a get at the governments for trying to keep us safe thread.
Of course those of you who think there is no threat will do so until you or a family member is maimed or killed in either a bombing or chemical attack, just because the so called terrorists have not managed to do anything thank god (or allah or whoever you follow) does not mean its not happening or going to happen, there is an awful lot our security prevent or stop that we will never know about.
In the last 10 years my life has not been changed just because of cctv or better security at airports or any other measures brought in to help look after us, all its meant is that i have to arrive a little earlier at an airport and as for cctv if your not doing anything you should not be doing then whys the worry??
Body scanners are a good idea and the only people who should be complaining about them are the people with bad intentions, so what if someone sees an outline of our naked bodies or even more detail, we are all the same to look at just some bigger or smaller we were all born naked and given the chance we would all get naked either with one person or a group for recreational purposes at the click of a finger.
You have swollowed their spin, hook, line and sinker
Nah no spin i know it as fact and can you prove otherwise?
So GNV come on then you are always so anti government and anti this and that, you say there are so many better ways to stop the threats and terrorist attack (although it appears to me something must be working or else we would have had some more major incidents) let hear your fool proof ideas that are so much better for us????
So GNV come on then you are always so anti government and anti this and that, you say there are so many better ways to stop the threats and terrorist attack (although it appears to me something must be working or else we would have had some more major incidents) let hear your fool proof ideas that are so much better for us????
Sex God
Quote by GnV
I think the point being made is that the full body scanner would not have detected anything untoward with "underpants man".
Knees and jerks come to mind here.
This is not about keeping us safe. There are many other more effective ways of doing that. It is about control; plain and simple.
Body scanners wouldn't have prevented the attack on Glasgow Airport. What they could do is give a suicide bomber the chance to walk into Terminal 5 at its busiest time, with a suitcase full of explosives, and cause more death and injury to the crowds stuck waiting to go through body scans than blowing up the plane they're queuing to board
Although security is obviously an issue, governments do seem prone to making snap decisions only after an incident, but usually based on some flawed logic. :doh:
Sex God
Quote by jumptoit
Nah no spin i know it as fact and can you prove otherwise?
Sadly you are deluded, no I do not wish to "prove it" to you, as I have seen that is just how the slanging matches start here and do not wish to get drawn into one. but if you care to research for your self you will see just how much of of liberty has been eroded by our government. Sadly they are rapidly undoing the very freedoms my father and Grandfather fought two world wars for.
I will give you one example; some self employed Lorrie drivers who wished to exercise there freedom to protest the tax increase on fuel. They were contacted during the planning of the event by police and told if they went ahead with there protest they would run the risk of being arrested under the prevention of terrorism act, this would be laughable if it was not so dam scary!!
Right i quote " its about control plain and simple" what is?
How is a body scanner controlling us?
How are anti terrorist measures controlling us?
How does cctv control us (apart from making the crims and scallies think twice about the next crime they are gonna commit)?
Some of you are always spouting about how we are being controlled and ruled how exactly? Nothing has changed in my life in the last 10 years no one is controlling me i still go where i want with freedom, i still do what i want with freedom, i am still supporting who i want with freedom, saying what i want with freedom and no one is trying to stop me or control me to do otherwise cos i have a mind of my own and i am law abiding, ok i may be recorded doing it, so what i am still doing what i want when i want how i want and all legally, if i was doing it illegally and they catch me on cam then thats job done and i should not have been doing it in the first place.
What would happen if all the security measures and anti terror measures that are "controlling us" were removed? i sure dont want to be here to find out!!!
The body scanner may or may not have worked in this case but in how many other cases would it work and i am sure it will be adapted to show more now that the weaknesses have been shown up, or maybe if its not working and everything else is also a failure we should just bring in full strip search with internal inspection for everyone!!!!
I have a mind of my own and opinions of my own and even in the job i do i am only "controlled" by the rules and confines of that job, or are you suggesting we should not have any rules at all because they are controlling us, we need rules we need regulations and no matter what you think,and if we did not have them the place would be a much bigger mess than they are now!!
Now all i will add is i hope Kenty and Flower are back soon cos the place is dull without them, and this place needs livening up by people with opinions instead of the sheep who all form the same opinion and then systematically gang up on the one person who dares to question them.
How is a body scanner controlling us?
How are anti terrorist measures controlling us?
How does cctv control us (apart from making the crims and scallies think twice about the next crime they are gonna commit)?
Some of you are always spouting about how we are being controlled and ruled how exactly? Nothing has changed in my life in the last 10 years no one is controlling me i still go where i want with freedom, i still do what i want with freedom, i am still supporting who i want with freedom, saying what i want with freedom and no one is trying to stop me or control me to do otherwise cos i have a mind of my own and i am law abiding, ok i may be recorded doing it, so what i am still doing what i want when i want how i want and all legally, if i was doing it illegally and they catch me on cam then thats job done and i should not have been doing it in the first place.
What would happen if all the security measures and anti terror measures that are "controlling us" were removed? i sure dont want to be here to find out!!!
The body scanner may or may not have worked in this case but in how many other cases would it work and i am sure it will be adapted to show more now that the weaknesses have been shown up, or maybe if its not working and everything else is also a failure we should just bring in full strip search with internal inspection for everyone!!!!
I have a mind of my own and opinions of my own and even in the job i do i am only "controlled" by the rules and confines of that job, or are you suggesting we should not have any rules at all because they are controlling us, we need rules we need regulations and no matter what you think,and if we did not have them the place would be a much bigger mess than they are now!!
Now all i will add is i hope Kenty and Flower are back soon cos the place is dull without them, and this place needs livening up by people with opinions instead of the sheep who all form the same opinion and then systematically gang up on the one person who dares to question them.
Quote by Bluefish2009
Nah no spin i know it as fact and can you prove otherwise?
Sadly you are deluded, no I do not wish to "prove it" to you, as I have seen that is just how the slanging matches start here and do not wish to get drawn into one. but if you care to research for your self you will see just how much of of liberty has been eroded by our government. Sadly they are rapidly undoing the very freedoms my father and Grandfather fought two world wars for.
I will give you one example; some self employed Lorrie drivers who wished to exercise there freedom to protest the tax increase on fuel. They were contacted during the planning of the event by police and told if they went ahead with there protest they would run the risk of being arrested under the prevention of terrorism act, this would be laughable if it was not so dam scary!!
How dare you insult me by calling me deluded just because i have a different opinion to you?
Dont even bother to preach to me about your father and grandfather fighting world wars for your freedom (i have more respect for those people than you can imagine) but some of us are doing that job just now and all we get is slated by many on here for it.
You are right however it is scary that the lorry drivers were threatened with prevention of terrorism act, cos i would not have warned them and done them for blocking a public highway!!
I do believe on another thread on here you are saying a planned demonstration at Wooton should be stopped, yet a demonstration by lorry drivers should not have been (apologies if i have mixed you up with someone else)?
You dont wish to prove it cos you simply cant either way and i am still waiting for someone to tell me what freedoms i have lost since the world wars cos i have not missed them???
The body scanner would not have detected the recent idiot who burned his balls off.
It would not have detected the idiot who tried to blow his feet up, and the plane.
A body scanner (as it is) will not detect someone with explosive up his arse, or her ******.
A body scanner will not detect someone deliberately infected with, for instance, ebola.
However:
It would not have detected the idiot who tried to blow his feet up, and the plane.
A body scanner (as it is) will not detect someone with explosive up his arse, or her ******.
A body scanner will not detect someone deliberately infected with, for instance, ebola.
However:
Officials must naturally defend compulsory passenger X-rays as harmless. But they are signing no guarantees because ionizing radiation in the X-ray spectrum damages and mutates both chromosomal DNA and structural proteins in human cells. If this damage is not repaired, it can lead to cancer. New research shows that even very low doses of X-ray can delay or prevent cellular repair of damaged DNA, raising questions about the safety of routine medical X-rays. Unborn babies can become grotesquely disfigured if their mothers are irradiated during pregnancy. Heavily X- rayed persons of childbearing age can sustain chromosomal damage, endangering offspring. Radiation damage is cumulative and each successive dose builds upon the cellular mutation caused by the last. It can take years for radiation damage to manifest.
A leading U.S. expert on the biological effects of X-radiation is Dr. John Gofman, Professor Emeritus of Molecular and Cell Biology, University of California, Berkeley. Dr. Gofman’s exhaustive research leads him to conclude that there is NO SAFE DOSE-LEVEL of ionizing radiation. His studies indicate that radiation from medical diagnostics and treatment is a causal co-factor in 50 percent of America’s cancers and 60 percent of our ischemic (blood flow blockage) heart disease. He stresses that the frequency with which Americans are medically X-rayed “makes for a significant radiological
A report in the British medical journal Lancet noted that after breast mammograms were introduced in 1983, the incidence of ductal carcinoma (12 percent of breast cancer) increased by 328 percent, of which 200 percent was due to the use of mammography itself
Sex God
Quote by jumptoit
Nah no spin i know it as fact and can you prove otherwise?
Sadly you are deluded, no I do not wish to "prove it" to you, as I have seen that is just how the slanging matches start here and do not wish to get drawn into one. but if you care to research for your self you will see just how much of of liberty has been eroded by our government. Sadly they are rapidly undoing the very freedoms my father and Grandfather fought two world wars for.
I will give you one example; some self employed Lorrie drivers who wished to exercise there freedom to protest the tax increase on fuel. They were contacted during the planning of the event by police and told if they went ahead with there protest they would run the risk of being arrested under the prevention of terrorism act, this would be laughable if it was not so dam scary!!
How dare you insult me by calling me deluded just because i have a different opinion to you?
Dont even bother to preach to me about your father and grandfather fighting world wars for your freedom (i have more respect for those people than you can imagine) but some of us are doing that job just now and all we get is slated by many on here for it.
You are right however it is scary that the lorry drivers were threatened with prevention of terrorism act, cos i would not have warned them and done them for blocking a public highway!!
I do believe on another thread on here you are saying a planned demonstration at Wooton should be stopped, yet a demonstration by lorry drivers should not have been (apologies if i have mixed you up with someone else)?You dont wish to prove it cos you simply cant either way and i am still waiting for someone to tell me what freedoms i have lost since the world wars cos i have not missed them???
I take back the deluded as that was a little rude and was not my intention, as for the other thread I suggest you re-read what I wrote. I can see now why dangerous laws do not bother you now as you would be happy to miss us them your self
Sex God
The government are arming them selves with powers to silence any one who may say some thing that they do not agree with, for us to protest any thing we are not happy they are doing and the power to cover up mistake's they make and not let us know about them, that is just a few things that scare me, mybe not now but one day dishonest people will use those powers for their gain
Quote by Bluefish2009
Nah no spin i know it as fact and can you prove otherwise?
Sadly you are deluded, no I do not wish to "prove it" to you, as I have seen that is just how the slanging matches start here and do not wish to get drawn into one. but if you care to research for your self you will see just how much of of liberty has been eroded by our government. Sadly they are rapidly undoing the very freedoms my father and Grandfather fought two world wars for.
I will give you one example; some self employed Lorrie drivers who wished to exercise there freedom to protest the tax increase on fuel. They were contacted during the planning of the event by police and told if they went ahead with there protest they would run the risk of being arrested under the prevention of terrorism act, this would be laughable if it was not so dam scary!!
How dare you insult me by calling me deluded just because i have a different opinion to you?
Dont even bother to preach to me about your father and grandfather fighting world wars for your freedom (i have more respect for those people than you can imagine) but some of us are doing that job just now and all we get is slated by many on here for it.
You are right however it is scary that the lorry drivers were threatened with prevention of terrorism act, cos i would not have warned them and done them for blocking a public highway!!
I do believe on another thread on here you are saying a planned demonstration at Wooton should be stopped, yet a demonstration by lorry drivers should not have been (apologies if i have mixed you up with someone else)?You dont wish to prove it cos you simply cant either way and i am still waiting for someone to tell me what freedoms i have lost since the world wars cos i have not missed them???
I take back the deluded as that was a little rude and was not my intention, as for the other thread I suggest you re-read what I wrote. I can see now why dangerous laws do not bother you now as you would be happy to miss us them your self
I keep asking you to actually back up your argument by giving me facts as i am struggling to see your point and you are not coming back with anything at all to even try to change my mind..... thought this was all part of a debate?
Which "dangerous laws" dont bother me? what have i missed please enlighten me so i can avoid these "dangerous laws", thank goodness i was taken in by the spin!!!
Quote by jumptoit
Nah no spin i know it as fact and can you prove otherwise?
Sadly you are deluded, no I do not wish to "prove it" to you, as I have seen that is just how the slanging matches start here and do not wish to get drawn into one. but if you care to research for your self you will see just how much of of liberty has been eroded by our government. Sadly they are rapidly undoing the very freedoms my father and Grandfather fought two world wars for.
I will give you one example; some self employed Lorrie drivers who wished to exercise there freedom to protest the tax increase on fuel. They were contacted during the planning of the event by police and told if they went ahead with there protest they would run the risk of being arrested under the prevention of terrorism act, this would be laughable if it was not so dam scary!!
How dare you insult me by calling me deluded just because i have a different opinion to you?
Dont even bother to preach to me about your father and grandfather fighting world wars for your freedom (i have more respect for those people than you can imagine) but some of us are doing that job just now and all we get is slated by many on here for it.
You are right however it is scary that the lorry drivers were threatened with prevention of terrorism act, cos i would not have warned them and done them for blocking a public highway!!
I do believe on another thread on here you are saying a planned demonstration at Wooton should be stopped, yet a demonstration by lorry drivers should not have been (apologies if i have mixed you up with someone else)?You dont wish to prove it cos you simply cant either way and i am still waiting for someone to tell me what freedoms i have lost since the world wars cos i have not missed them???
I take back the deluded as that was a little rude and was not my intention, as for the other thread I suggest you re-read what I wrote. I can see now why dangerous laws do not bother you now as you would be happy to miss us them your self
I keep asking you to actually back up your argument by giving me facts as i am struggling to see your point and you are not coming back with anything at all to even try to change my mind..... thought this was all part of a debate?
Which "dangerous laws" dont bother me? what have i missed please enlighten me so i can avoid these "dangerous laws", thank goodness i was taken in by the spin!!!
Even if the truth is incontrovertible, the most fiercest natural disaster wouldn't sway your opinion, so you'll forgive me if I see no point in responding further to your post.
Sex God
The coroners and justice bill, also the terrorism act, clearly does not scare you but it does me, and so does this government.
Almost 60 new powers contained in more than 25 Acts of Parliament have eroded the Human Rights Act and Magna Carta
I think we have to agree to disagree, you view it one way I see it another
Almost 60 new powers contained in more than 25 Acts of Parliament have eroded the Human Rights Act and Magna Carta
I think we have to agree to disagree, you view it one way I see it another
Quote by GnV
Nah no spin i know it as fact and can you prove otherwise?
Sadly you are deluded, no I do not wish to "prove it" to you, as I have seen that is just how the slanging matches start here and do not wish to get drawn into one. but if you care to research for your self you will see just how much of of liberty has been eroded by our government. Sadly they are rapidly undoing the very freedoms my father and Grandfather fought two world wars for.
I will give you one example; some self employed Lorrie drivers who wished to exercise there freedom to protest the tax increase on fuel. They were contacted during the planning of the event by police and told if they went ahead with there protest they would run the risk of being arrested under the prevention of terrorism act, this would be laughable if it was not so dam scary!!
How dare you insult me by calling me deluded just because i have a different opinion to you?
Dont even bother to preach to me about your father and grandfather fighting world wars for your freedom (i have more respect for those people than you can imagine) but some of us are doing that job just now and all we get is slated by many on here for it.
You are right however it is scary that the lorry drivers were threatened with prevention of terrorism act, cos i would not have warned them and done them for blocking a public highway!!
I do believe on another thread on here you are saying a planned demonstration at Wooton should be stopped, yet a demonstration by lorry drivers should not have been (apologies if i have mixed you up with someone else)?You dont wish to prove it cos you simply cant either way and i am still waiting for someone to tell me what freedoms i have lost since the world wars cos i have not missed them???
I take back the deluded as that was a little rude and was not my intention, as for the other thread I suggest you re-read what I wrote. I can see now why dangerous laws do not bother you now as you would be happy to miss us them your self
I keep asking you to actually back up your argument by giving me facts as i am struggling to see your point and you are not coming back with anything at all to even try to change my mind..... thought this was all part of a debate?
Which "dangerous laws" dont bother me? what have i missed please enlighten me so i can avoid these "dangerous laws", thank goodness i was taken in by the spin!!!
Even if the truth is incontrovertible, the most fiercest natural disaster wouldn't sway your opinion, so you'll forgive me if I see no point in responding further to your post.
Yeah fair enough i can see you have nothing to give!!!
I thought we were talking about terrorists and how body scanners are bad, now your trying to tell me what???????? "the most fiercest natural disaster wouldn't sway your opinion" if its natural it has nothing to do with this topic?
I will however forgive you for having no point.
Quote by Bluefish2009
The coroners and justice bill, also the terrorism act, clearly does not scare you but it does me, and so does this government.
Almost 60 new powers contained in more than 25 Acts of Parliament have eroded the Human Rights Act and Magna Carta
I think we have to agree to disagree, you view it one way I see it another
Bluefish i do see your point but its a lose lose situation for any government, one minute they are slammed for taking away our "human rights" the next its being slammed for giving too many "human rights" whats the answer?
The human rights act if anything gives too many rights to the wrong people and as for the Magna Carta it served a purpose when it was written and agreed upon, but the human race has changed and evolved in so many ways that the Magna Carta is now so out of touch and out of date that some reforms have to come in and have.
This government may scare you but the next and the next wont be any different cos they are all in the politics game for there own end.
As for the bills and acts not scareing me, there is so much more in life that i find scary that affect my life day to day for real, that a few bits of paper that may or may not affect me in the future just cant and i rather be safe than maimed or dead.
I do however respect your discussion on this and have enjoyed reading your views on other posts and actually agreeing with you, even if i am "deluded".
Sex God
Don't know why I came out with the deluded remark that was unlike me and on reading it back an error on my part, I regret the remark and apologise
I fully understand what you say but I do look to the future, I have a young family and grown up children and 3 Grandchildren. for that reason I do look to the future and how laws made now could effect my family in the future.
Of coarse all governments are in it for them selves, and that is the very reason I worry about those who would remove our rites to question what the government does, and I firmly believe that is what is happening now.
I fully understand what you say but I do look to the future, I have a young family and grown up children and 3 Grandchildren. for that reason I do look to the future and how laws made now could effect my family in the future.
Of coarse all governments are in it for them selves, and that is the very reason I worry about those who would remove our rites to question what the government does, and I firmly believe that is what is happening now.
Quote by jumptoit
Nah no spin i know it as fact and can you prove otherwise?
Sadly you are deluded, no I do not wish to "prove it" to you, as I have seen that is just how the slanging matches start here and do not wish to get drawn into one. but if you care to research for your self you will see just how much of of liberty has been eroded by our government. Sadly they are rapidly undoing the very freedoms my father and Grandfather fought two world wars for.
I will give you one example; some self employed Lorrie drivers who wished to exercise there freedom to protest the tax increase on fuel. They were contacted during the planning of the event by police and told if they went ahead with there protest they would run the risk of being arrested under the prevention of terrorism act, this would be laughable if it was not so dam scary!!
How dare you insult me by calling me deluded just because i have a different opinion to you?
Dont even bother to preach to me about your father and grandfather fighting world wars for your freedom (i have more respect for those people than you can imagine) but some of us are doing that job just now and all we get is slated by many on here for it.
You are right however it is scary that the lorry drivers were threatened with prevention of terrorism act, cos i would not have warned them and done them for blocking a public highway!!
I do believe on another thread on here you are saying a planned demonstration at Wooton should be stopped, yet a demonstration by lorry drivers should not have been (apologies if i have mixed you up with someone else)?You dont wish to prove it cos you simply cant either way and i am still waiting for someone to tell me what freedoms i have lost since the world wars cos i have not missed them???
I take back the deluded as that was a little rude and was not my intention, as for the other thread I suggest you re-read what I wrote. I can see now why dangerous laws do not bother you now as you would be happy to miss us them your self
I keep asking you to actually back up your argument by giving me facts as i am struggling to see your point and you are not coming back with anything at all to even try to change my mind..... thought this was all part of a debate?
Which "dangerous laws" dont bother me? what have i missed please enlighten me so i can avoid these "dangerous laws", thank goodness i was taken in by the spin!!!
Even if the truth is incontrovertible, the most fiercest natural disaster wouldn't sway your opinion, so you'll forgive me if I see no point in responding further to your post.
Yeah fair enough i can see you have nothing to give!!!
I thought we were talking about terrorists and how body scanners are bad, now your trying to tell me what???????? "the most fiercest natural disaster wouldn't sway your opinion" if its natural it has nothing to do with this topic?
I will however forgive you for having no point.
Get a life
“The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any
Hermann Goering
Speaking at the Nuremburg Trials
18th April 1946
“Power never concedes anything without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they
Frederick Douglass
American abolitionist, 1857
Sex God
The problem lies not with the introduction of body scanners or with the other changes in law per se (though some are indeed worrying)but in the creation of an atmosphere in which any opposition becomes sedition any voicing of a different point of view treason,Your freedoms are being eroded wether you see it or not,your civil liberties go hand in hand with those you oppose....look behind you it's your voice they want to steal
a lie goes round the world before the truth gets its boots on. the "underpants bomber" story is a hoax timed appropriately to get people, particularily in the u.s. to accept body scanning as a necessary security measure. the question of the integrity of the story is already being challenged in the u.s. mainstream media.
along with global warming, iraq's weapons of mass deception and the congressional report on 9/11, the corporate media in the u.s. appears to be "jumping ship" from the establishments forgone conclusional explanations of events. even fox news is now airing questions about the integrity of previous "bin liner" video's calling for jihad against the great satan and claims of resposibility for terrorist actions when he has probably been dead for a number of years due to natural causes. why he has'nt aged from his first to last video has always bemused me.
the body scanner pictures of a man and a woman naked exposing what appears to be weapons and or explosives in the press, would be detected in the present security arrangements along with profiling of passengers, so the question is, what else are they for ? i do not believe they are for detecting explosive shoes, shoe laces, underpants or bras !
along with global warming, iraq's weapons of mass deception and the congressional report on 9/11, the corporate media in the u.s. appears to be "jumping ship" from the establishments forgone conclusional explanations of events. even fox news is now airing questions about the integrity of previous "bin liner" video's calling for jihad against the great satan and claims of resposibility for terrorist actions when he has probably been dead for a number of years due to natural causes. why he has'nt aged from his first to last video has always bemused me.
the body scanner pictures of a man and a woman naked exposing what appears to be weapons and or explosives in the press, would be detected in the present security arrangements along with profiling of passengers, so the question is, what else are they for ? i do not believe they are for detecting explosive shoes, shoe laces, underpants or bras !
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Quote by Staggerlee_BB
The problem lies not with the introduction of body scanners or with the other changes in law per se (though some are indeed worrying)but in the creation of an atmosphere in which any opposition becomes sedition any voicing of a different point of view treason,Your freedoms are being eroded wether you see it or not,your civil liberties go hand in hand with those you oppose....look behind you it's your voice they want to steal
Again I would have to agree :thumbup:
in the event of a terror attack, one should always ask "in who's interests does it serve ?" the supposed existance of some international co-ordinated group called "al quaeder" who's illusive unaging leader is holed up in a cave in tora bora, that can direct terrorist actions around the world while satelites and intelligence services fumble to find him, that can get "norad" (the north american defence system) with its f16's and patriot missiles to "stand down" while it carries out the biggest atrocity and leave's it thumb print behind (mohommed atta's passport at ground zero unsinged) is utterly laughable, if it was'nt so devastating to humanity, to any reasoned critical thinking person. "in who's interests does it serve ?" well the american and british militaries have annexed the middle east and choked the world's supply of oil and gas and managed to maitain the price of oil during the biggest reduction in demand ever.
by the way, i dont mind my body being scanned and anyone learing at me but i do object to my daughter and mother being scanned by non medical people for some kind of security BULLSHIT !
by the way, i dont mind my body being scanned and anyone learing at me but i do object to my daughter and mother being scanned by non medical people for some kind of security BULLSHIT !
