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Boston Marathon......and avoid london !!!
Quote by deancannock
Not nice to watch that footage of the explosions in the marathon in Boston. Its the London marathon on Sunday and then Mrs Thatcher's Funeral on Wednesday.....scary times....I shall definitely be giving London a wide birth this week !!!
Take care and stay vigilant everyone.
We are off to see Maggie's funeral tomorrow, and yes we know the risks but we shall not be dictated to by anyone who threatens our liberty.
Sex God
Let's hope those in Boston are going to be ok.
Sex God
Quote by deancannock
Not nice to watch that footage of the explosions in the marathon in Boston. Its the London marathon on Sunday and then Mrs Thatcher's Funeral on Wednesday.....scary times....I shall definitely be giving London a wide birth this week !!!
Take care and stay vigilant everyone.
There is no evidence that it is international terrorist dean but we should always be vigilant
and why London what wrong with Manchester or Newcastle
i have to go to london wednesday
not for the funerul though liz/rob......thou we may not know who is responsible, I think it is being treated as an act of terrorism. And I only say London, as two high profile situations there with the Funeral and then the marathon. High profile targets with large numbers of people. However you are completely are correct, we should all always be vigilant in all situations.
Dean is right, they are high profile targets especially the funeral, but they have hit the marathon now that would be the lesser target, both London targets would be lesser now, Ludlow or Oxford would be high targets as would Birmingham and Manchester.
So Dean is correct in that vigilance is ALWAYS to be on your mind.
Sound daft ? you have to look at it from a terrorist point of view, yes forget a domestic nutter in Boston, because a domestic nutter in Boston is no threat to us, a terrorist is, so you have to consider the bigger danger even if that is jumping to conclusions.
So from a terrorist point of view, Boston marathon perfect target, explosions 3 hours after the first runners finished the race perfect, they hit the rank and file, the everyday people not the celebreties, they hit a "non-event" on the glabal scale of events, they hit people doing good things, that is how terrorism works, NO place is safe, nobody is safe, your not safe just because your not connected to anything, nowhere is safe and lastly, massive publicity with many cameras onsight to feed the media machine.
So the market in Ludlow, the theatre in Stratford on Avon, the major tourist spots like Oxford (always full of Americans) or other Major Cities where we arent hyping security would be better options, not "oh another marathon bomb" not another Nations capitol and nice soft targets and back to that "nowhere and nobody is safe" factor. Watch out wherever you are there is nowhere safe, stay away from London and you just might be staying in a danger area.
Starlight :thumbup:
So Dean is correct in that vigilance is ALWAYS to be on your mind.
Sound daft ? you have to look at it from a terrorist point of view, yes forget a domestic nutter in Boston, because a domestic nutter in Boston is no threat to us, a terrorist is, so you have to consider the bigger danger even if that is jumping to conclusions.
So from a terrorist point of view, Boston marathon perfect target, explosions 3 hours after the first runners finished the race perfect, they hit the rank and file, the everyday people not the celebreties, they hit a "non-event" on the glabal scale of events, they hit people doing good things, that is how terrorism works, NO place is safe, nobody is safe, your not safe just because your not connected to anything, nowhere is safe and lastly, massive publicity with many cameras onsight to feed the media machine.
So the market in Ludlow, the theatre in Stratford on Avon, the major tourist spots like Oxford (always full of Americans) or other Major Cities where we arent hyping security would be better options, not "oh another marathon bomb" not another Nations capitol and nice soft targets and back to that "nowhere and nobody is safe" factor. Watch out wherever you are there is nowhere safe, stay away from London and you just might be staying in a danger area.
Starlight :thumbup:
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Starlight :thumbup:
I have to say Mids that the forums have been fecking shite since I have been away.
you been on your hols? anywhere nice?
Banned Island Rogue. A few from here have been there on occasion. :wink:
Aaah well, welcome back! A change is as good as a rest!
So one " suspected " bomber dead, and after a unprecedented " lock down " of a City, the second " bomber " is caught hiding in a boat.
From news reports it seems that the words " Islam " and " fundamentalists " are never far away when an atrocity like this takes place. Be it in London or the USA or Pakistan. As soon as the bombs went off I suspected that Islamic fundamentals were not far away.
Whilst the second captured " bomber " is injured, thankfully he is still alive. I hoped that he would be caught alive as like myself,I am sure most people want the answers to many questions. Like why and what was behind their bombing. Did anyone or any organisation put them up to it. Were they funded or did they act alone?
At least in the USA the captured " bomber " if convicted, will serve his whole life till death behind bars. No European Judges to have to worry about here, simply a need for a trial, a verdict and proper justice for such a heinous crime.
Yes of course this guy is innocent at this moment in time, but the Americans at times like this always seem to get their man. Or eventually get their man like Bin Laden. Frightening what a powerhouse they are when they are pushed. The American people. just like after 9/11 will want answers and justice and retribution, if they were funded and did not act alone.
Whilst not a huge lover of America, they sure do have big balls.
From news reports it seems that the words " Islam " and " fundamentalists " are never far away when an atrocity like this takes place. Be it in London or the USA or Pakistan. As soon as the bombs went off I suspected that Islamic fundamentals were not far away.
Whilst the second captured " bomber " is injured, thankfully he is still alive. I hoped that he would be caught alive as like myself,I am sure most people want the answers to many questions. Like why and what was behind their bombing. Did anyone or any organisation put them up to it. Were they funded or did they act alone?
At least in the USA the captured " bomber " if convicted, will serve his whole life till death behind bars. No European Judges to have to worry about here, simply a need for a trial, a verdict and proper justice for such a heinous crime.
Yes of course this guy is innocent at this moment in time, but the Americans at times like this always seem to get their man. Or eventually get their man like Bin Laden. Frightening what a powerhouse they are when they are pushed. The American people. just like after 9/11 will want answers and justice and retribution, if they were funded and did not act alone.
Whilst not a huge lover of America, they sure do have big balls.
Sex God
Quote by flower411
So one " suspected " bomber dead, and after a unprecedented " lock down " of a City, the second " bomber " is caught hiding in a boat.
From news reports it seems that the words " Islam " and " fundamentalists " are never far away when an atrocity like this takes place. Be it in London or the USA or Pakistan. As soon as the bombs went off I suspected that Islamic fundamentals were not far away.
I`d be interested to know what your first thoughts were after the fertiliser plant explosion.
If........... Big if............ The brothers had assistance... Supplying them with ammonium nitrate would have been a great help in the construction of their bombs. Sunbsequently starting a fire to hide the evidence??
Ironically, it will turn out that the loss of life from the fertliser plant explosion will be massively greater than the Boston bombs.
I am not sure that there is a "true" fundamentalism issue at the heart of this on account of the boys being only 9 and 14 when they went to the USA. Maybe the elder bro. has influenced the younger one but it seems more like anger and spite with religion being an excuse. These boys were brought up as integrated American citizens - they did not fester in religious ghetto's.
Quote by Too Hot
I am not sure that there is a "true" fundamentalism issue at the heart of this on account of the boys being only 9 and 14 when they went to the USA.
Not too sure what you mean there TH. The London bombers were born and bred in the UK. Not sure of the relevance to be honest there.
Quote by Too Hot
Maybe the elder bro. has influenced the younger one but it seems more like anger and spite with religion being an excuse. These boys were brought up as integrated American citizens - they did not fester in religious ghetto's.
It seems that the older Brother could well have had some sort of influence, as he had posted Islamic rants on the internet, with praising Allah at the forefront. They were both Muslims with the older Brother creating a You Tube blog about terrorism, which I admit still means nothing but for many would put that at the heart of the bombs and the reasons behind it.
We shall have to wait and see what the motives were here from the surviving bomber, but as I stated previously, he is still innocent.
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple
I am not sure that there is a "true" fundamentalism issue at the heart of this on account of the boys being only 9 and 14 when they went to the USA.
Not too sure what you mean there TH. The London bombers were born and bred in the UK. Not sure of the relevance to be honest there.
As I said in my post - they were integrated into American society through adolescence. We have a huge problem in this country with our home grown terrorists in as much as they are not integrated and hide away in enclaves.
AS an aside, I am really concerned about the "support" being offered to the Syrian opposition which seem to include more than a handful of young men from the UK. The opposition is now almost exclusively Islamic and very hard core. There will be consequences when these young men eventually return to the UK and I fear that we are supporting the wrong side in Syria.
Oh the irony..... supporting (in Syria) the same people who we are fighting (in Afghanistan.
Quote by flower411
The reason I ask is because, being the anniversary of the Waco massacre, my first thought was that it might be some kind of protest from Davidians. But I`m assuming they would be of no interest to you because they have nothing to do with islam.
Yada yada etc......... You wonder why I left you interested. " laughing ones socks off " !!
So I would presume that when the bomb went off at the finish line, you were the only one who thought , oh look it is the Waco anniversary and I wonder if it is the work of the Davidians and nothing to do with Islamic terrorism at all.
I would hazard at a tiny little guess that the vast majority of sane people thought it was a terrorist act, and seeing as the vast majority of terrorist acts in the Western world are carried out by fundamentalists, I would say that was a pretty close call.
I shall wait and see if indeed the Boston bombings were indeed the work of Islamic killers.
Maybe just maybe it will be the case that the fertiliser plant was a huge accident, and the Boston bombings were the terrorist act carried out in the name of Islam. I wonder what the odds of that conclusion would be?
But maybe the Texas blast was done by Davidians and the Boston bombings were the act of another group. I wonder if the odds are a bit closer than the example above.
Quote by Too Hot
As I said in my post - they were integrated into American society through adolescence. We have a huge problem in this country with our home grown terrorists in as much as they are not integrated and hide away in enclaves.
Were the London bombers hidden away in enclaves ? I thought the whole point of planning terrorsit attacks, was to mingle into the local community to avoid any suspicion. The IRA used to do that very well on the main land, and the 9/11 bombers were also integrated very well into their local communities.
Quote by Too Hot
AS an aside, I am really concerned about the "support" being offered to the Syrian opposition which seem to include more than a handful of young men from the UK. The opposition is now almost exclusively Islamic and very hard core. There will be consequences when these young men eventually return to the UK and I fear that we are supporting the wrong side in Syria.
Are we? Wars and death in that part of the world have been going on for centuries, and unfortunatly will always be the way.
Quote by Too Hot
Oh the irony..... supporting (in Syria) the same people who we are fighting (in Afghanistan.
Would not suprise me at all.
Quote by flower411
Did you miss a word out here ? Because if you meant what you said then I can only agree with you 100% but if you meant to put the word islamic in front of funamentalists, then I would be moved to disagree.
Personally I don't give a monkeys left nipple whether you agree with what I write, or not. The huge terrorist atrocities over the last ten years, have been carried out in the main by Islamic fundamentalists.
A very interesting read and even I gained some knowledge.
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I see you`ve changed tack now !! I take it you suddenly remembered the IRA and the Bader Meinhoff gang and maybe you`ve heard of a little outfit called ETA .
No changing of tack at all, it is purely as usual how YOU want to see things.
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Ever heard of Aryan Nation ?
Ever heard of The Army of God ?
Can't say that I have actually7 I have heard of the Al-Qaeda and the Taliban though.
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Notice anything that all of these organisations have in common ? Oh yeah ...none of them is muslim !
Notice anything else ?
Yep ....when The Army of God murders people in the US it doesn`t tend to make the front page of the English redtops .
Have the Army of God ever killed a British citizen on British soil? Well as I think not why would any person in the UK know of them? Have Muslim extremists killed in the UK mainland? So of course British citizens would be more familiar with them. A bit of a silly argument to use if I am being a tad honest.
Shall we wait and see what or if the Boston bombers were acting in the name of Allah or not.
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Have the Army of God ever killed a British citizen on British soil? Well as I think not why would any person in the UK know of them?
What a bloody stupid thing to say !!!!!
How many British people did the Japanese kill on British soil ?????
How many British people have heard of WWII and the war against them ???
If you want to be taken as serious, then please use something with an ounce of logic for heavens sake.
Quote by flower411
OK, so we`ll just talk about the British Isles.
I mentioned your change of tack to take in the fact that you had decided to change your statement by adding "over the last ten years" which led me to believe that you had suddenly remembered the IRA .
The term " over the last ten years " if you did your homework properly, was not a direct reference to the IRA. If I was to use the IRA as an example I would have said over the last thirty years. As the last bomb that went off on the British mainland by the IRA was March 2001. Now the maths there would mean over ten years ago, and NOT within the last ten years. That bomb was outside the BBC's headquarters, and was a splinter group of the IRA. The last IRA bomb was in 1996 well over the ten years. You did realise that fact I suppose? You want to nit pick, I am up there with the best of them.
Oh and as a little aside, yes I fecking remember the IRA bombs.....my Wife at the time was working in Harrods when that bomb went off at on Saturday 17 December 1983. No mobile phones there to ring loved ones when hearing about this on the news, and your loved ones working there and not knowing how they were, picture yes I remember who the IRA were !!
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Whatever you would like to think, a huge majority of terrorist attacks in this country have been carried out by people purporting to follow one of the Christian sects and I'm afraid the muslims have a hell of a long way to go to catch up and lets face it, they will have to do it without American funding.
So now that we have established that the IRA are not the real threat now on British soil being that the last atrocity that took place was in 2005, and I am sure you do not need reminding of that one? The shift from the IRA bombs to Muslim fundamentalists may well be a more recent threat, but a threat it is. Security forces stop major attacks almost monthly. Have a look at this one and see how your memory is.
Or what about this one?
These kinds of plots are becoming more and more dangerous. We are forever hearing about Islamic militants and their plots, and I am sure that there will be another one sadly at some point in the not too distant future on the British mainland.
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I'm afraid the muslims have a hell of a long way to go to catch up and lets face it, they will have to do it without American funding.
The problem with the way you post is that there is always a hidden agenda behind it. We have all heard your comments with regards to the Americans and their funding of the IRA on this forum many times. Is that where this is leading? This is not about Muslims it is about Islamic Fundamentalists who happen to use being a Muslim as some kind of justification for their actions.
Unfortunately many people see Muslims and Islamic Fundamentalists as the same thing, they are wrong, many religions are virtually divided into 2 parts often labelled as Orthodox for one or fundamentalist or some such thing.
Muslims do not believe in violence as a solution Fundamentalists do.
More than 500 muslims are currently serving in the British Army, often in Afghanistan.
Muslims do not believe in violence as a solution Fundamentalists do.
More than 500 muslims are currently serving in the British Army, often in Afghanistan.
Quote by MidsCouple24
Unfortunately many people see Muslims and Islamic Fundamentalists as the same thing, they are wrong, many religions are virtually divided into 2 parts often labelled as Orthodox for one or fundamentalist or some such thing.
Muslims do not believe in violence as a solution Fundamentalists do.
More than 500 muslims are currently serving in the British Army, often in Afghanistan.
Mids the IRA are an Irish Republican Army , which don't mean all the Irish are bad people does it? It is a section that have those views and act on them, which is the same for the Muslim's where a section of them become radical, but not all of them.
What was worrying is the amount of Muslim's that were questioned after the July 2005 bombings who sympathised with the bombers that I was more worried about.
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Mids the IRA are an Irish Republican Army , which don't mean all the Irish are bad people does it? It is a section that have those views and act on them, which is the same for the Muslim's where a section of them become radical, but not all of them.
Depends on your viewpoint, as to whether they are bad or not. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
