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There should be another section of forum created called "Cheap shots" smile
Quote by starlightcouple
For someone allegedly in high business, you seem to have a lot of time on your hands answering people like me on a swingers site. :giggle:

Maybe I'm just an unemployed bum tossing it off like the rest of them :-)
Quote by Rogue_Trader
For someone allegedly in high business, you seem to have a lot of time on your hands answering people like me on a swingers site. :giggle:

Maybe I'm just an unemployed bum tossing it off like the rest of them :-)
:laughabove::laughabove:
Well it made me laugh that one Rogue.
As has been said many times before Star, unfortunately you look at everything from a negative point of view so you will never spot an opportunity in life if it was placed at your feet.
As it happens, I left school in the late 1970's during a recession and I could not see any future at all in the depressing northern town where I grew up and so I left and (quite literally) travelled the world at 17. Since then I have redundancies, medical related dismissals, firings and I have been conned and swindled, but i took everyone of these kickings as an opportunity to learn, not complain.
There are always going to be more workers than innovators and that is how the world of commerce works. I do feel sorry for people who lose their jobs and can't find employment but the real world owes us nothing and we have to be prepared to move, travel, work hard, do something different - whatever it takes. In Britain today we have workers who don't want to do anything but complain about the rich, complain about the foreigners, complain about big companies - it is always someone else to blame.
The fact is Star we are all to blame for the life that we now have - no one else. Accepting that fact of life will change it immesurably. You live in a country that rewards success and innovation and you live near the greatest city in the world. The opportunities are so great in this country that innovators and workers from all over the world want to come here to better themselves. Meanwhile Brits whine and complain.
We all get the life we deserve as a consequence of the action or inaction that we take. If you are happy to be a worker as millions are then be happy with your lot in life and stop blaming everyone else.
Quote by Too Hot
As has been said many times before Star, unfortunately you look at everything from a negative point of view

rotflmao:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:
Well of all the people on here to utter those words, it was you.
Have one of these TH.
Could this possibly happen?
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As has been said many times before Star, unfortunately you look at everything from a negative point of view so you will never spot an opportunity in life if it was placed at your feet.
As it happens, I left school in the late 1970's during a recession and I could not see any future at all in the depressing northern town where I grew up and so I left and (quite literally) travelled the world at 17. Since then I have redundancies, medical related dismissals, firings and I have been conned and swindled, but i took everyone of these kickings as an opportunity to learn, not complain.
There are always going to be more workers than innovators and that is how the world of commerce works. I do feel sorry for people who lose their jobs and can't find employment but the real world owes us nothing and we have to be prepared to move, travel, work hard, do something different - whatever it takes. In Britain today we have workers who don't want to do anything but complain about the rich, complain about the foreigners, complain about big companies - it is always someone else to blame.
The fact is Star we are all to blame for the life that we now have - no one else. Accepting that fact of life will change it immesurably. You live in a country that rewards success and innovation and you live near the greatest city in the world. The opportunities are so great in this country that innovators and workers from all over the world want to come here to better themselves. Meanwhile Brits whine and complain.
We all get the life we deserve as a consequence of the action or inaction that we take. If you are happy to be a worker as millions are then be happy with your lot in life and stop blaming everyone else.

That may be true it may be wrong, but my personal observation is that you yourself may see the positive in life, but perhaps too much, you seem to see things in black and white with no varioations that can affect others, the person looking after aged parents who cannot just up sticks and move, the person that needs to be close to other family members for personal reasons, the person whose financial situation prevents them uprooting their family so easily. easier for a single person to upsticks and travel the world, not so easy for a family and not everyones circumstances allow them to leave the family behind and go off to work elsewhere and a thousand other reasons why you can and why you cannot.
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Could this possibly happen?

I have just read the same article as you Star and what I took from it, as a fact and not something spurious from bookies, is that Labour are holding all the seats and not losing them.
Quote by Rogue_Trader
Could this possibly happen?

I have just read the same article as you Star and what I took from it, as a fact and not something spurious from bookies, is that Labour are holding all the seats and not losing them.
They don't have Eastleigh TR.
And if what I learnt from PMQs today is correct, they haven't got a prayer either.
Despicable little man, the Labour candidate, after it emerges he said this of Margaret Thatcher 'In October 1984, when the Brighton bomb went off, I felt a surge of excitement at the nearness of her demise and yet disappointment that such a chance had been missed.'
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Could this possibly happen?

I have just read the same article as you Star and what I took from it, as a fact and not something spurious from bookies, is that Labour are holding all the seats and not losing them.
They don't have Eastleigh TR.
And if what I learnt from PMQs today is correct, they haven't got a prayer either.
Despicable little man, the Labour candidate, after it emerges he said this of Margaret Thatcher 'In October 1984, when the Brighton bomb went off, I felt a surge of excitement at the nearness of her demise and yet disappointment that such a chance had been missed.'
The graphical representation showed the ones that were Labour, remained as Labour. I just didn't see UKIP "galloping" up anywhere.
In fact bookies reporting that UKIP were "galloping" just leads me to believe they are trying to shorten the odds and get more people to bet on them, so as to lose their dosh...
RT a cynic? Never...
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RT a cynic? Never...

Bitter and twisted...just like the lime in my G & T lol
Quote by Rogue_Trader
In fact bookies reporting that UKIP were "galloping" just leads me to believe they are trying to shorten the odds and get more people to bet on them, so as to lose their dosh...

You were saying Rogue?
Yep hats off to them star.
Shows beneath it all that the average UKIP voter has no idea.
Didn't Tesco advertise 100% pure beef beef burgers?
Advertising it doesn't make it real.
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In fact bookies reporting that UKIP were "galloping" just leads me to believe they are trying to shorten the odds and get more people to bet on them, so as to lose their dosh...

You were saying Rogue?

VOTE UKIP
Particularly if you want deeper and more savage spending cuts and austerity measures significantly worse than those in effect at the moment - as outlined by Neil Hamilton, disgraced former toff and now all round good guy UKIP Member.
Quote by Too Hot
VOTE UKIP
Particularly if you want deeper and more savage spending cuts and austerity measures significantly worse than those in effect at the moment - as outlined by Neil Hamilton, disgraced former toff and now all round good guy UKIP Member.

That's it then TH? innocent
Put your precious Tory party into 3rd place.
Quote by starlightcouple

VOTE UKIP
Particularly if you want deeper and more savage spending cuts and austerity measures significantly worse than those in effect at the moment - as outlined by Neil Hamilton, disgraced former toff and now all round good guy UKIP Member.

That's it then TH? innocent
Put your precious Tory party into 3rd place.
I have told you before Star - UKIP state many policies that would benefit me personally:
My tax would reduce by around 10% - Ding Dong - result
More spending on the armed forces - Good one
More spending on hospitals - Another good move
More spending on education - Great news
Then I just wonder where all the extra spending money is going to come from if they reduce the top rate of tax by 10%. Maybe it was just bluff and bluster? Then I watched Question Time last night and Neil (ex toff) Hamilton now UKIP glamour boy told us how it would happen - more savage and quicker cuts were needed from the welfare budget.....
So,....... it all makes sense now - I get a juicy tax cut and the poor get clobbered. It sounds better by the day Star - might just vote UKIP after all - keep the poor people down in the gutter and give them a kicking as I walk past.
Then again, I might just retain some dignity and use my intelligence to see through what a bunch of xenophobic idiots they really are. More than anything I question the intelligence of anyone in Eastleigh who would put up with the nasty 95% of their manifesto just to see them "deal with immigration." - As if somehow that is going to magic away the problems of the feckless, idle nation that we have become.
Quote by Too Hot
through what a bunch of xenophobic idiots they really are. More than anything I question the intelligence of anyone in Eastleigh who would put up with the nasty 95% of their manifesto just to see them "deal with immigration." - As if somehow that is going to magic away the problems of the feckless, idle nation that we have become.

Oh dear........:sleeping:
Same old story of anyone who dares to talk about immigrants..........:sleeping:
Predictable..........:sleeping:
You see TH if you had bothered to look at people's worries not just in Eastleigh but all over the country, you would see that immigration is a worry to a heck of a lot of people. Still shut em all up and label them with the same old boring rubbish. We can see through that one now, better late than never though eh?
When people have money and can look at living outside of cities and away from the real problems of immigration, they always see what they want to see.
Quote by starlightcouple
through what a bunch of xenophobic idiots they really are. More than anything I question the intelligence of anyone in Eastleigh who would put up with the nasty 95% of their manifesto just to see them "deal with immigration." - As if somehow that is going to magic away the problems of the feckless, idle nation that we have become.

Oh dear........:sleeping:
Same old story of anyone who dares to talk about immigrants..........:sleeping:
Predictable..........:sleeping:
You see TH if you had bothered to look at people's worries not just in Eastleigh but all over the country, you would see that immigration is a worry to a heck of a lot of people. Still shut em all up and label them with the same old boring rubbish. We can see through that one now, better late than never though eh?
When people have money and can look at living outside of cities and away from the real problems of immigration, they always see what they want to see.
With UKIP getting 28% of the vote, in my calculations there are another 72% that might not have your views and make immigration the top of their worries.
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With UKIP getting 28% of the vote, in my calculations there are another 72% that might not have your views and make immigration the top of their worries.

That is true Minx but they still pushed the Tories into third place. Plus UKIP's major policies as we all know or should do, are getting us to leave Europe.
Cameron offered the public a referendum on Europe as he thought that would sway voters not to vote for UKIP........seems his strategy fell flat on it's arse, a bit like his policies.
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Cameron offered the public a referendum on Europe as he thought that would sway voters not to vote for UKIP........seems his strategy fell flat on it's arse, a bit like his policies.

Errrrrrr.. Excuse me!
You're listing Cameron as a prophet now?
IIRC he offered his suggestion about a referendum for after the next election well before Huhne fell on his sword causing a by election...
What are the odds on the Chancellor announcing a savings tax in the budget this week of the same nature as being imposed on Cyprus savers?
And how awful?
People who have been saving being hit in this way including British servicemen stationed in Cyprus who have not contributed in any way whatsoever to Cyprus' woes.
Will this cause widespread panic throughout Europe as people begin to withdraw money held in banks before they get hit and therefore be self defeating as banks collapse, being unable to find the money to return to investors?
Quote by GnV
What are the odds on the Chancellor announcing a savings tax in the budget this week of the same nature as being imposed on Cyprus savers?
And how awful?
People who have been saving being hit in this way including British servicemen stationed in Cyprus who have not contributed in any way whatsoever to Cyprus' woes.
Will this cause widespread panic throughout Europe as people begin to withdraw money held in banks before they get hit and therefore be self defeating as banks collapse, being unable to find the money to return to investors?

at least that will solve the arguments over bankers bonus's innocent
Quote by Lizaleanrob
What are the odds on the Chancellor announcing a savings tax in the budget this week of the same nature as being imposed on Cyprus savers?
And how awful?
People who have been saving being hit in this way including British servicemen stationed in Cyprus who have not contributed in any way whatsoever to Cyprus' woes.
Will this cause widespread panic throughout Europe as people begin to withdraw money held in banks before they get hit and therefore be self defeating as banks collapse, being unable to find the money to return to investors?

at least that will solve the arguments over bankers bonus's innocent
They'll more than likely pay the bonuses to the bankers before they start paying out depleting stocks of cash to the people who deposited savings/wages or whatever.
If they want to save 9 billion euros, they should start by disbanding the Commission.
Quote by GnV
What are the odds on the Chancellor announcing a savings tax in the budget this week of the same nature as being imposed on Cyprus savers?
And how awful?
People who have been saving being hit in this way including British servicemen stationed in Cyprus who have not contributed in any way whatsoever to Cyprus' woes.
Will this cause widespread panic throughout Europe as people begin to withdraw money held in banks before they get hit and therefore be self defeating as banks collapse, being unable to find the money to return to investors?

See these little countries thought that by becoming part of the European Union and so changing their currency to the dreaded Euro, they would become as big as Deutschland :doh:. Well it has spectacularly backfired on them and other countries. The money these countries are now in trouble by is huge numbers, and I am not suprised that this little Island has got it's begging bowl out to the tune of 10 billion Euro bailout, to go with Greece, Ireland,Portugal and Spain. A crazy amount of money to borrow and still it is obviously not enough to get it out of it's current financial predicament.
Of course hitting the savers is not right, but they have to get out of this mess somehow and sorry they should have not had eyes too big for their heads. Joining the Euro has been the downfall for many countries and I bet there are many people wiping their brows, over us not being suckered into it as well.
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....and I bet there are many people wiping their brows, over us not being suckered into it as well.

Seems that nice Mr Osborne is going to compensate any UK government employee or service personnel who are caught up in this, so the UK is becoming involved in an oblique way in bailing out Cyprus.
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....and I bet there are many people wiping their brows, over us not being suckered into it as well.

Seems that nice Mr Osborne is going to compensate any UK government employee or service personnel who are caught up in this, so the UK is becoming involved in an oblique way in bailing out Cyprus.
I think that is rather disgraceful actually.
I mean did the British Government compensate the thousands of Brits who lost everything over the Spanish housing collapse? Or what about some compensation for all the Brits who had their homes seized whilst moving and living in Spain?

Let us see what this Government do for these people...........will not be holding my breath.
I think it is a scandal that Osborne is not compensating EVERY Brit caught up in this. But then again Osborne is never actually known for doing the right things is he? :twisted:
As I understand it there is a one off levy on savings which is swapped for shares in the bank. I think that sounds like a pretty god idea actually.
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As I understand it there is a one off levy on savings which is swapped for shares in the bank. I think that sounds like a pretty god idea actually.

So, you'd be happy if HMG imposed the same in respect of your savings to fund RBS?
If I want to buy shares in a bank, I'll telephone my broker. What I don't want is any government imposing it on me and restricting my access to my money in the meantime over a national holiday weekend.
It is reported that Russian or other non doms have money salted away in Cyprus to avoid tax in their own country. If this is the case, they should target them surely.